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Post by damngumby on Nov 9, 2018 11:01:48 GMT
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that those are breasts in the Black Panther suit. I guess the idiot OP should have read the comic before shooting his mouth off. This thread is about the movies, not the comics. I realize you're slow at getting things, but movies and comics are 2 different mediums. The comic debunks your claim about Wakanda. In the movies, Shuri will follow the comics, don the black Panther suit in the upcoming Infinity War movie and assume leadership of Wakanda. When that happens, this entire thread will become yet another monument to your idiocy. Lord knows, this forum is littered with them.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 9, 2018 15:53:58 GMT
It's amazing that we sit here and explain every aspect of this movie to this dunce who either hasn't seen it or is just flat out lying in order to put his negative spin on a movie that is better reviewed and more popular than his favorite franchise.
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Post by bud47 on Nov 9, 2018 16:58:20 GMT
It's amazing that we sit here and explain every aspect of this movie to this dunce who either hasn't seen it or is just flat out lying in order to put his negative spin on a movie that is better reviewed and more popular than his favorite franchise. I think he's just desperate for the attention. Every argument he comes back with is a reach. He can over-analyze and nitpick with hypotheticals all day and night, but in the end, everything is explained in the movie. Women are not devalued in any way in this film. It's quite the opposite. If they were, we would have heard about it from every direction in the media back when it was released.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 9, 2018 17:12:45 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic.
Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done
Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie.
the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 9, 2018 17:33:57 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Pish. What nonsense. Selina (TDKR), Harley Quinn, Storm, Jean Grey, Enchantress, and most of DCEU and Fox-men women are ridiculously one-note and blander than the average MCU female. Only Wonder Woman and Mystique ever got proper star handling.
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Post by Surly on Nov 9, 2018 17:43:11 GMT
Which means absolutely nothing pal, since women in the DCEU used or received insults just as bad or worse. Show me the scene in a DCEU movie where a woman is called "Trash" simply for sleeping with a man. I'm not referring to the Secret Service or other military. I'm referring to the female warriors in Black Panther, whom 1 MCU fan claimed were empowered by being in positions of power. And I completely debunked that by pointing out that women in Wakanda aren't allowed to hold the highest position of power in Wakanda - sovereign and absolute monarch. That's the whole point, pal. The Dora Milaje are the Wakandan secret service. If you think that they're brainless, demeaned servants then you have to say the same about the real life Secret Service. And you didn't prove that women can't challenge for the throne. Actually I already told you how they could. You just ignored it. Ignoring doesn't change it from being a fact. Then you must think that the Secret Service are brainless idiots. You must think that military generals are brainless idiots since they take orders from rulers and presidents. That's even if a new one has a drastically different political policy. Were the Amazonian women in the Wonder Women movie mindless idiots? They blindly followed the orders of their queen.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 9, 2018 17:44:25 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. ^A million times this. It's so ironic: The only really great CBM villains are Joker and Magneto. www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-movie-villains-of-all-timeCorrespondingly the only great female CBM villains are Catwoman and Mystique. Kismet and Karma in one.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 9, 2018 17:57:42 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Selina has no character development. She's as one-note as Talia. But then at the same time, I like that version better than the one from Batman Returns.
Same for Mystique. All the X-men characters have a driving force and never deviate from that. Mystique is the same character in First Class as she is in Apocalypse. Mystique is especially the same character in X1 as she is in X3. The characters in X-men are less character and more characterization.
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 9, 2018 18:05:56 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. ^A million times this. It's so ironic: The only really great CBM villains are Joker and Magneto. www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-movie-villains-of-all-timeCorrespondingly the only great female CBM villains are Catwoman and Mystique. Kismet and Karma in one. Um, they aren't the only ones on that list. Loki and Thanos are on there. Were you saying Catwoman because she's on that list? Because she's not. Oh wait, I had to load past 100...
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Post by bud47 on Nov 9, 2018 18:14:42 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Well, summers8 is here, which means this thread is about to go way off track. Mystique's entire character arc in DOFP boils down to her freeing mutants (in one scene) and going to Washington to kill Trask with her sole motivation being that she hates humans because they hate mutants. What else does she do in the film? She doesn't even have that many lines. She's a plot device in the film. Nothing more. Even if you were to combine her character arc from First Class to Apocalypse, it really doesn't add up to anything you would call complex. These movies belong to Xavier and Magneto. Everyone else is just a supporting character.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 9, 2018 18:31:32 GMT
Um, they aren't the only ones on that list. Loki and Thanos are on there. Were you saying Catwoman because she's on that list? Because she's not. Oh wait, I had to load past 100... um, get control of your butt hurt, dude. really "great CBM villains" as in Joker Nr. 1 (since a decade like on Imdb) and Magneto on 7 of all-time movie villains. Deservedly so... Yeah you got Loki too on 18, (Bane on 19), and Thanos on 35 - but they will fall as quickly as they have risen with fanboy hype. Loki - one of the greatest villains in Norse mythology ever - was utterly ruined and emasculated in MCU because they had to downgrade him to Thor's bumbling sidekick bitch instead of the guy responsible for Ragnarök. Thanos was ok for MCU standards but wait until everything he achieved is undone in the next one and revived Gamorra face-kicks him into the abyss by quipping "Keep your ball sack of a chin out of by life, daddio turd blossom". And you really should turn on your brain: the fact that female villains are underrepresented next to the male ones does not change that Catwoman and Mystique are the best by far amongst their CBM competitors. Oh crap, I actually forgot Harley Quinn at 107... OK 3 best females: Mystique rank 75, Harley 107 and Catwoman 115. Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 9, 2018 18:39:47 GMT
I think I broke DC-Fan. I got him to repeat himself, like 4 times in one thread. I'm the "1 MCU fan." I wonder how many more times I'll get him to repeat it. Do you think I got a shot at the title? We all know the post: "The Scarlett Johansson Isn't Hot Story." Has anybody tried to: To see if that fixes the loop he is trapped in?
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 9, 2018 19:48:40 GMT
Um, they aren't the only ones on that list. Loki and Thanos are on there. Were you saying Catwoman because she's on that list? Because she's not. Oh wait, I had to load past 100... um, get control of your butt hurt, dude. really "great CBM villains" as in Joker Nr. 1 (since a decade like on Imdb) and Magneto on 7 of all-time movie villains. Deservedly so... Yeah you got Loki too on 18, (Bane on 19), and Thanos on 35 - but they will fall as quickly as they have risen with fanboy hype. Loki - one of the greatest villains in Norse mythology ever - was utterly ruined and emasculated in MCU because they had to downgrade him to Thor's bumbling sidekick bitch instead of the guy responsible for Ragnarök. Thanos was ok for MCU standards but wait until everything he achieved is undone in the next one and revived Gamorra face-kicks him into the abyss by quipping "Keep your ball sack of a chin out of by life, daddio turd blossom". And you really should turn on your brain: the fact that female villains are underrepresented next to the male ones does not change that Catwoman and Mystique are the best by far amongst their CBM competitors. Oh crap, I actually forgot Harley Quinn at 107... OK 3 best females: Mystique rank 75, Harley 107 and Catwoman 115. Thanks for proving my point. And for them to be of any "good" they had to turn them into anti-heroes. Wait... That list isn't even all about the movies. This is villains across the board. Nevermind then. You post up this list like it was about the characters in the movies. This isn't even about Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn. It's Harley Quinn in general. It's Catwoman in general. It's Mystique in general. And what's sad about that is that it's because they keep putting the same characters in everything. That's why Mystique, Harley and Catwoman is there. Not because they have done a good job with them. You think Mystique would have been on this list if she wasn't in every main X-men movie? If they would have killed her off in X1, do you think she would have been there?
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 9, 2018 19:51:06 GMT
I think I broke DC-Fan. I got him to repeat himself, like 4 times in one thread. I'm the "1 MCU fan." I wonder how many more times I'll get him to repeat it. Do you think I got a shot at the title? We all know the post: "The Scarlett Johansson Isn't Hot Story." Has anybody tried to: To see if that fixes the loop he is trapped in? Any takers to turn DC-Fan off? Then immedately turn him on again. Who's going to volunteer to turn him on? I know anybody can turn him off. You just have to show him a picture of Kat Dennings. You guys are his biggest fans, so I come to you first. I was wondering do you want to help out with the second bit of advice from the IT Crowd? It may fix DC-Fan. Lord Death Man Nalkarj salomonj sostie @forceghostackbar President Ackbar™ blockbusted damngumby @retuenofmoviefreak Nicko's Nose taylorfirst1 Skaathar Hauntedknight87 seahawksraawk00 politicidal JudgeJuryDredd lenlenlen1 or dazz (I know I just sealed my fate with the Kat Dennings joke. thenewnexus is going to hunt me down for that)
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 9, 2018 19:57:24 GMT
Any takers to turn DC-Fan off?
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Post by summers8 on Nov 9, 2018 19:58:49 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Pish. What nonsense. Selina (TDKR), Harley Quinn, Storm, Jean Grey, Enchantress, and most of DCEU and Fox-men women are ridiculously one-note and blander than the average MCU female. Only Wonder Woman and Mystique ever got proper star handling. wrong.
also note that when you have a drama movie you can only focus on 2-5 characters.
Storm in X3 got more development that all mcu females as troubled as that film was.
Jean Grey , although doest big change much, you can see is a very complicated person and not just because of scott/logan.
at the end of the days if you take all the main female leads , mcu females are the weakest.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 9, 2018 20:04:48 GMT
Any takers to turn DC-Fan off? Niiice
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Post by summers8 on Nov 9, 2018 20:09:55 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Well, summers8 is here, which means this thread is about to go way off track. Mystique's entire character arc in DOFP boils down to her freeing mutants (in one scene) and going to Washington to kill Trask with her sole motivation being that she hates humans because they hate mutants. What else does she do in the film? She doesn't even have that many lines. She's a plot device in the film. Nothing more. Even if you were to combine her character arc from First Class to Apocalypse, it really doesn't add up to anything you would call complex. These movies belong to Xavier and Magneto. Everyone else is just a supporting character. Again wrong, though maybe i can use first class as well. another movies fans and critics called complex, having a brain and depth,
what does she do in the film?
rescue other mutants track down trask fight for mutant freedom saves the president does not fully choose between xavier and magneto but was the middle ground
has a mind of her own quest for revenge
is the poster girl for the themes of hope, redemption and forgiveness.
not one mcu female can match this, the stakes, the emotion, the drama, the depth. the tears
LOL, look at mcu fans trying to dumb DOFP down to fit their brainless mcu movies. CAN MCU MAKE A DOFP? NOT. funny since DOFP acclaim and love was because it was a complex movie.some critics even claimed it was overcomplicated. its a drama afterall.
lol, mcu fans cant accept xmen movies are complex and their own movies are goofy jokey dumb fun, um I think this was always the core difference. heck, even the mcu is an empty universe video said so too hey, thatguy you lied again, older mystique is the one that does not talk much. JLAW Mystique's talks a lot and argues with everyone. FACT.
I guess mcu females are truly bad since their fans went back to lieing 101 Tactics.
poor winter solider as usual. since black widow just plays action figure. inferior to the characterization to mystique.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 9, 2018 20:27:10 GMT
I think I broke DC-Fan. I got him to repeat himself, like 4 times in one thread. I'm the "1 MCU fan." I wonder how many more times I'll get him to repeat it. Do you think I got a shot at the title? We all know the post: "The Scarlett Johansson Isn't Hot Story." Has anybody tried to: To see if that fixes the loop he is trapped in? Any takers to turn DC-Fan off? Then immedately turn him on again. Who's going to volunteer to turn him on? I know anybody can turn him off. You just have to show him a picture of Kat Dennings. You guys are his biggest fans, so I come to you first. I was wondering do you want to help out with the second bit of advice from the IT Crowd? It may fix DC-Fan. Lord Death Man Nalkarj salomonj sostie @forceghostackbar President Ackbar™ blockbusted damngumby @retuenofmoviefreak Nicko's Nose taylorfirst1 Skaathar Hauntedknight87 seahawksraawk00 politicidal JudgeJuryDredd lenlenlen1 or dazz (I know I just sealed my fate with the Kat Dennings joke. thenewnexus is going to hunt me down for that)
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Post by thenewnexus on Nov 9, 2018 20:59:00 GMT
I think I broke DC-Fan. I got him to repeat himself, like 4 times in one thread. I'm the "1 MCU fan." I wonder how many more times I'll get him to repeat it. Do you think I got a shot at the title? We all know the post: "The Scarlett Johansson Isn't Hot Story." Has anybody tried to: To see if that fixes the loop he is trapped in? Any takers to turn DC-Fan off? Then immedately turn him on again. Who's going to volunteer to turn him on? I know anybody can turn him off. You just have to show him a picture of Kat Dennings. You guys are his biggest fans, so I come to you first. I was wondering do you want to help out with the second bit of advice from the IT Crowd? It may fix DC-Fan. Lord Death Man Nalkarj salomonj sostie @forceghostackbar President Ackbar™ blockbusted damngumby @retuenofmoviefreak Nicko's Nose taylorfirst1 Skaathar Hauntedknight87 seahawksraawk00 politicidal JudgeJuryDredd lenlenlen1 or dazz (I know I just sealed my fate with the Kat Dennings joke. thenewnexus is going to hunt me down for that) You douche,Kat is a goddess
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