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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 9, 2018 21:59:16 GMT
You douche,Kat is a goddess Should I let my friends and family know to look out for my body turning up floating in a creek or just let it be a surprise for them? (I find her attractive, not as much as you, but it was to easy of a joke to make not to do it.)
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Post by thenewnexus on Nov 9, 2018 22:35:24 GMT
You douche,Kat is a goddess Should I let my friends and family know to look out for my body turning up floating in a creek or just let it be a surprise for them? I let ackbar deal with you (I find her attractive, not as much as you, but it was to easy of a joke to make not to do it.)
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 9, 2018 22:39:01 GMT
Should I let my friends and family know to look out for my body turning up floating in a creek or just let it be a surprise for them? I let ackbar deal with you (I find her attractive, not as much as you, but it was to easy of a joke to make not to do it.)
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 0:24:42 GMT
All the X-men characters have a driving force and never deviate from that. Mystique is the same character in First Class as she is in Apocalypse. No she isnt. In First Class she is self conscious of being a mutant and ashamed of her deformity which is why she masks herself as human. Shes also very mellow and harmless. At the end she opposes Beast for using the cure and becomes "mutant and proud". In DOFP she becomes a solo revolutionary, and develops a killer instinct. She's determined to fight for mutant liberation and goes to great lengths to free mutants in Vietnam and try to kill trask. Big change in character from First Class. In Apocalypse she points out to Xavier that his idealistic world view is flawed and saving Trask didnt do much goid, as mutants are still being treated as second class citizens in secret. She realises that othet mutants look up to her as a hero and adopts a leadership role with the team instead of being solo (not the best plot point to come up with but diffrent matter). So shes gone from First Claas being an innocent, ashamed, harmless girl under Xaviers protection to a independent, driven leader. The Mistique in the original trilogy doesnt have any development but in the Prequels she certainly does.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 0:46:20 GMT
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last. The females are not well written Black Widow - Still the same generic spy. Had a forced romantic fling with Banner after opening up about her procedure in the red room. Plot went no where and never mentioned again. Pepper Potts - Has no defined role in the MCU right now other than being Tonys nagging girlfriend. They faked her death in IM3 to make her a extremis soldier but was quickly undone. They must have wanted to silence SJW critics by having a woman saving Stark for a change because otherwise her becoming extremis then normal again was utterly pointless. Jane Forster - pointless Lady Sif- pointless Shuri - Mary Sue Agent Hill - pointless Mantis - humiliated Wanda - starts off as a vulnerable, unstable Reality warper. Still is one to this day (whilst her accent is lazily changed). She develops a romantic interest in Vision which comes outta the blue in IW with no real emotion behind it, only feelings of fan service. The only ones that come out with credible development and sustained character arcs are Gamora and Nebula. Whats that, 2 outta 10.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 1:49:16 GMT
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last. The females are not well written Black Widow - Still the same generic spy. Had a forced romantic fling with Banner after opening up about her procedure in the red room. Plot went no where and never mentioned again. Pepper Potts - Has no defined role in the MCU right now other than being Tonys nagging girlfriend. They faked her death in IM3 to make her a extremis soldier but was quickly undone. They must have wanted to silence SJW critics by having a woman saving Stark for a change because otherwise her becoming extremis then normal again was utterly pointless. Jane Forster - pointless Lady Sif- pointless Shuri - Mary Sue Agent Hill - pointless Mantis - humiliated Wanda - starts off as a vulnerable, unstable Reality warper. Still is one to this day (whilst her accent is lazily changed). She develops a romantic interest in Vision which comes outta the blue in IW with no real emotion behind it, only feelings of fan service. The only ones that come out with credible development and sustained character arcs are Gamora and Nebula. Whats that, 2 outta 10. While I agree that MCU females are written pretty weakly (other than maybe Hela), you have to admit that other than Mystique and maybe Rogue, the X-men females are written even worse. And considering that the X-men has probably the most well known and most interesting female Marvel characters, that just makes how Fox treated them all the more cringeworthy.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 3:53:23 GMT
Anybody could've stolen the ring so Killmonger having possession of the ring doesn't prove that he's the Prince's son. Nah you're just being silly now, actively trying to find a loophole where one doesn't exist. Some random mug who may have stolen the ring would never have even known about Wakanda in the first place as even the CIA didn't know about it. Killmonger knew about it because his father told him. And the guy who stole the ring could've learned about Wakanda from Killmonger before he stole the ring from Killmonger. A couple years ago, ABC had a TV show about a politician's son who was kidnapped when he was 6 years old and shows up alive 10 years later. He knows a lot of personal details that only the politician's real son would've known so he's accepted back into the family. But at the end of the season we find out that he wasn't the politician's real son. He was kidnapped along with the politician's real son and both were held in the same room by the kidnapper. The politician's son died, but had told the kid all about his life before he died. That's how the kid was able to know a lot of personal details that only the politican's real son would know. So Killmonger having possession of the ring doesn't prove that he's really T'Challa's cousin. Even if by some miracle they did happen to know It wouldn't be a miracle. Like I said, if he knew Killmonger, he could've learned all about Wakanda from Killmonger before he stole the ring from Killmonger. Heck, maybe he didn't even steal the ring from Killmonger. Killmonger was in Special Ops. Maybe he served with Killmonger and they were best friends (which would explain why Killmonger told him all about Wakanda) and Killmonger was killed on a mission and he took Killmonger's ring. it was also made clear that Wakanda doesn't let in outsiders. It was also made clear that Klaue knew all about Wakanda so obviously Klaue has been inside Wakanda. Killmonger was able to get it because he had the tattoo on the inside of his lip Anybody can get a tattoo.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 3:56:00 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Only Wonder Woman and Mystique ever got proper star handling. And that's still 2 more than MCU. summers8 is 100% correct. MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 3:58:11 GMT
Um, they aren't the only ones on that list. Loki and Thanos are on there. Were you saying Catwoman because she's on that list? Because she's not. Oh wait, I had to load past 100... um, get control of your butt hurt, dude. really "great CBM villains" as in Joker Nr. 1 (since a decade like on Imdb) and Magneto on 7 of all-time movie villains. Deservedly so... Yeah you got Loki too on 18, (Bane on 19), and Thanos on 35 - but they will fall as quickly as they have risen with fanboy hype. Loki - one of the greatest villains in Norse mythology ever - was utterly ruined and emasculated in MCU because they had to downgrade him to Thor's bumbling sidekick bitch instead of the guy responsible for Ragnarök. Thanos was ok for MCU standards but wait until everything he achieved is undone in the next one and revived Gamorra face-kicks him into the abyss by quipping "Keep your ball sack of a chin out of by life, daddio turd blossom". And you really should turn on your brain: the fact that female villains are underrepresented next to the male ones does not change that Catwoman and Mystique are the best by far amongst their CBM competitors. Oh crap, I actually forgot Harley Quinn at 107... OK 3 best females: Mystique rank 75, Harley 107 and Catwoman 115. Thanks for proving my point. ThatGuy just got owned!
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Post by summers8 on Nov 10, 2018 4:06:14 GMT
I won't say MCU devalues women, their women are just stereotypical, 1 dimensional and generic. Selina in TDKR got more character development than any MCU female has done Mystique in DOFP is arguably the best written and most complex female character in any comic movie. the problem is MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot. Selina has no character development. She's as one-note as Talia. But then at the same time, I like that version better than the one from Batman Returns.
Same for Mystique. All the X-men characters have a driving force and never deviate from that. Mystique is the same character in First Class as she is in Apocalypse. Mystique is especially the same character in X1 as she is in X3. The characters in X-men are less character and more characterization.
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last.
as said, mcu fans could never hide their hatred and jealousy of DC TDK trilogy for so long. afterall tdk came out in 2012 and is only good because of a shooting. is it any uprisings they are now claiming to like batman returns better?
selina was not one note,neither was talia. also talia had aN in depth back story in TDKR, far more indepth than say wanda had in age of ultron. talia was still more compelling than all the mcu females. also mystique was not one note either. selina and mystique have shown both good and evil tendencies. they fall into heroes, villains and anti hero categories. according to good film making facts that is not one note. sorry,
laslty the mcu is not all character forcused, if they were people wont see the cgi and jokes more in their movies, also their movies wont have many directors and actors problem.to use iron man is laughable at best. since iron man has been the biggest victim of the mcu cgi action thin plotted formula. he has gotten worse as a character since iron man 1, see his ill fated sequels, and we know this since the mcu directors admitted that mcu stops the character from having any real development for toys and kids appeal reasons.
Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man..is this a joke?thor and hulk from thor to jokenock. all the other characters are just gross man children only in the mcu world do these people think actors constantly making jokes and blowing up cities is character development.
oh, also storm has gotten more character development from X2 and X3 compared to all mcu females.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 10, 2018 4:12:51 GMT
mcu fans are funny. why are they calling selina and mystique villains?LMAO
in the real world of truth and facts. nether females are true villians, they are just complicated people that have done good and bad things. that is what makes them 3 dimensional and not one note.
poor mcu fans. look at them trying hard to make all comic book movies look as bad as their mcu garbage.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 10, 2018 4:17:25 GMT
um, get control of your butt hurt, dude. really "great CBM villains" as in Joker Nr. 1 (since a decade like on Imdb) and Magneto on 7 of all-time movie villains. Deservedly so... Yeah you got Loki too on 18, (Bane on 19), and Thanos on 35 - but they will fall as quickly as they have risen with fanboy hype. Loki - one of the greatest villains in Norse mythology ever - was utterly ruined and emasculated in MCU because they had to downgrade him to Thor's bumbling sidekick bitch instead of the guy responsible for Ragnarök. Thanos was ok for MCU standards but wait until everything he achieved is undone in the next one and revived Gamorra face-kicks him into the abyss by quipping "Keep your ball sack of a chin out of by life, daddio turd blossom". And you really should turn on your brain: the fact that female villains are underrepresented next to the male ones does not change that Catwoman and Mystique are the best by far amongst their CBM competitors. Oh crap, I actually forgot Harley Quinn at 107... OK 3 best females: Mystique rank 75, Harley 107 and Catwoman 115. Thanks for proving my point. ThatGuy just got owned! he gets owned all the time, the truth always owns people.
also please remember thatguy is a person that has a deep seated hatred for DC TDK series, he hates the movies so much he said the movie came out in 2012 and is only good because there was a mass shooting.
Now he is claiming selina and talia are one note even though they have more depth than all the mcu females.
For Haley, at least she has a personality compared to black widow or wanda.
kind of a shame, xmen never had a wanda, no doubt she would have owned mcu wanda.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 4:23:50 GMT
Only Wonder Woman and Mystique ever got proper star handling. And that's still 2 more than MCU. summers8 is 100% correct. MCU movies don't have any actual plots to them, their movies are not story driven or characters focused, so the women in their films are easily forgettable or shallow or just supporting the derivate action plot.Oh hey, seems you didn't have me on ignore after all. How come you never replied to my posts?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 4:24:52 GMT
Selina has no character development. She's as one-note as Talia. But then at the same time, I like that version better than the one from Batman Returns.
Same for Mystique. All the X-men characters have a driving force and never deviate from that. Mystique is the same character in First Class as she is in Apocalypse. Mystique is especially the same character in X1 as she is in X3. The characters in X-men are less character and more characterization.
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last.
as said, mcu fans could never hide their hatred and jealousy of DC TDK trilogy for so long. afterall tdk came out in 2012 and is only good because of a shooting. is it any uprisings they are now claiming to like batman returns better?
selina was not one note,neither was talia. also talia had aN in depth back story in TDKR, far more indepth than say wanda had in age of ultron. talia was still more compelling than all the mcu females. also mystique was not one note either. selina and mystique have shown both good and evil tendencies. they fall into heroes, villains and anti hero categories. according to good film making facts that is not one note. sorry,
laslty the mcu is not all character forcused, if they were people wont see the cgi and jokes more in their movies, also their movies wont have many directors and actors problem.to use iron man is laughable at best. since iron man has been the biggest victim of the mcu cgi action thin plotted formula. he has gotten worse as a character since iron man 1, see his ill fated sequels, and we know this since the mcu directors admitted that mcu stops the character from having any real development for toys and kids appeal reasons.
Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man..is this a joke?thor and hulk from thor to jokenock. all the other characters are just gross man children only in the mcu world do these people think actors constantly making jokes and blowing up cities is character development.
oh, also storm has gotten more character development from X2 and X3 compared to all mcu females.
Hah! Storm got character development? Hah! Ladies and gentlemen, Summers just went full cray cray.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 4:33:43 GMT
How come you never replied to my posts? Because unlike the MCU kids, I have a job to do and don't have time to reply to every single post.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 10, 2018 4:43:08 GMT
as said, mcu fans could never hide their hatred and jealousy of DC TDK trilogy for so long. afterall tdk came out in 2012 and is only good because of a shooting. is it any uprisings they are now claiming to like batman returns better?
selina was not one note,neither was talia. also talia had aN in depth back story in TDKR, far more indepth than say wanda had in age of ultron. talia was still more compelling than all the mcu females. also mystique was not one note either. selina and mystique have shown both good and evil tendencies. they fall into heroes, villains and anti hero categories. according to good film making facts that is not one note. sorry,
laslty the mcu is not all character forcused, if they were people wont see the cgi and jokes more in their movies, also their movies wont have many directors and actors problem.to use iron man is laughable at best. since iron man has been the biggest victim of the mcu cgi action thin plotted formula. he has gotten worse as a character since iron man 1, see his ill fated sequels, and we know this since the mcu directors admitted that mcu stops the character from having any real development for toys and kids appeal reasons.
Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man..is this a joke?thor and hulk from thor to jokenock. all the other characters are just gross man children only in the mcu world do these people think actors constantly making jokes and blowing up cities is character development.
oh, also storm has gotten more character development from X2 and X3 compared to all mcu females.
Hah! Storm got character development? Hah! Ladies and gentlemen, Summers just went full cray cray. Not really. let's look at storm. at the beginning of X3, she has a conversation with charles about running the school. storm feels she is not ready or not worthy when charles said he thought about leaving the school to her, storm says cyclops will be a better choice, implying she was not good enough.
when Charles dies unexpectedly, who steps up? storm. by the end of the film storms becomes what charles was to the students, it was storm who kept the school alive, it was storm who welcomed arcangel, it was storm who lead the fight agianst magneto and the brotherhood of mutants, infact she is the only character who could go toe to toes with wolverine, even threatening to kick wolverine out if he does not stop obsessing with jean.
that was storm. she was well rounded in X3, and a good leader. As said X3 was a mixed bag but Storm, Kitty Prdye and Beast were the best part of the film.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 4:47:06 GMT
How come you never replied to my posts? Because unlike the MCU kids, I have a job to do and don't have time to reply to every single post. Yet you somehow have time to make numerous troll posts. Just admit it, you ran away from me with your tail tucked between your legs. So have you actually had time to watch BP yet?
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Post by damngumby on Nov 10, 2018 4:56:29 GMT
How come you never replied to my posts? Because unlike the MCU kids, I have a job to do and don't have time to reply to every single post. DC-Fan : 7034 posts. MCU kids : far less. Its the same reason he avoids discussion about the owner of his favorite NFL team announcing that he will illegally pay a fortune to anyone who can get him another championship. cowardice
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Post by scabab on Nov 10, 2018 8:43:33 GMT
And the guy who stole the ring could've learned about Wakanda from Killmonger before he stole the ring from Killmonger., No he couldn't have because Killmonger kept that part of his life a complete secret even from Klaue who he had been closely working with. He would have told nobody. This is exactly what I mean by you being silly. You've practically created your very own story now, one that was never alluded to at all in order to find a loophole. You are completely wrong on all this. Killmonger was shown to be the son of Prince N'Jobu which is why he had the right to challenge for King. No Doctor Doom would not have been able to become King. No the female warriors would not have been able to challenge Killmonger. No a random stranger off the street would not have been able to challenge for role of King. No T'Challas sister would not have challenged Killmonger. Which was only because he also was told about it's existence by Prince N'Jobu. Which is exactly why King T'Chaku went to see him at the start of the movie to accuse him of betrayal. But they'd need to know what the tattoo was in the first place and because it's hidden on the body, then nobody would know about it. Unless you next want to claim that a Dentist could have stolen Killmongers ring.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 12:09:12 GMT
While I agree that MCU females are written pretty weakly (other than maybe Hela), you have to admit that other than Mystique and maybe Rogue, the X-men females are written even worse. And considering that the X-men has probably the most well known and most interesting female Marvel characters, that just makes how Fox treated them all the more cringeworthy. I only imcluded MCU females who have appeared in more than 1 film so Hela doesnt count. Storm has been written very poorly. Jean Grey so far middling, but should be put right with Dark Phoneix which is basically her solo movie. This only highlights there is a wider problem in Hollywood giving females meaty roles with substance rather than all the spotlight going to males though.
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