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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 10, 2018 12:11:30 GMT
The MCU is all character focus. Tony Stark is not the same character in Iron Man as he is in Infinity War. Same goes for Thor, Black Widow, Lang, Wanda, Cap, Bucky, Falcon, the Guardians, Banner and Hulk, Spider-man and a bunch of characters from their 1st movie to their last. The females are not well written Black Widow - Still the same generic spy. Had a forced romantic fling with Banner after opening up about her procedure in the red room. Plot went no where and never mentioned again. Pepper Potts - Has no defined role in the MCU right now other than being Tonys nagging girlfriend. They faked her death in IM3 to make her a extremis soldier but was quickly undone. They must have wanted to silence SJW critics by having a woman saving Stark for a change because otherwise her becoming extremis then normal again was utterly pointless. Jane Forster - pointless Lady Sif- pointless Shuri - Mary Sue Agent Hill - pointless Mantis - humiliated Wanda - starts off as a vulnerable, unstable Reality warper. Still is one to this day (whilst her accent is lazily changed). She develops a romantic interest in Vision which comes outta the blue in IW with no real emotion behind it, only feelings of fan service. The only ones that come out with credible development and sustained character arcs are Gamora and Nebula. Whats that, 2 outta 10. Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie.
Pepper is the Lucius Fox for Iron Man. She's there to run Stark Industries so Tony doesn't.
Jane was our pov. Blame Portman.
Well, the actress got her own tv series. They left it open for her to return. Also, why should her role be any different from the other 3 Asgardians she was grouped with? Just because she's a woman?
How is Shuri a Mary Sue? If she is a Mary Sue then Stark is Gary Stu. Banner is one. James Bond's Q is one. Shuri is a vibranium genius. Or is it because she's a woman. I'm thinking you guys are kinda sexist.
Hill is an assistant. She plays that role.
Humiliated how?
He romantic interest in Vision started in Age of Ultron. There is a running thread through out the movie for them. Hell, look at Civil War. Their role in that movie was just about them showing feelings for each other. Do you guys even watch these movies?
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 12:31:42 GMT
Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie. She was a spy with a double identity who could kick ass in IM2 and not much has changed since. Her fling with Banner in AoU was forced and unnecesary, as said by many people/critics in their AoU reviews. A character can have plenty of screentime but if its wasted then it isnt good character development. You could have removed her whole subplot in AoU and nothing would be really any different if you watched IW, (except one little moment where she acknowledges Banner when they meet). She had a moment in Ultron where they went into her backstory in the red room but nothing was done with it and hasnt been mentioned since. May be theyl explain it in her solo film. She is female so should get better character development for balance. It was hinted in Thor TDW that she was upset at Jane for stealing Thor from her, maybe they should have done something with that instead of goofing around with Selvig and Darcy. Alrady did a thread topic on this. Banner, Stark, Hank McCoy we know how they became geniuses, studying at top universities in America and collaborating with other very clever scientists in Yinsin and that Jennifer Connoly character. Shuri didnt leave Wakanda as far we know. Her high IQ is created with no good reason. Its not racist to say there are no highly reputed universities in Africa. Being called ugly constantly by Drax. Well in the last film they were to6gther before IW, in Civil War they were on opposite sides. She was resisting Vision keeping her in the complex when Clint came to free her. So yeah, its a bit out of the blue when in the next film they are sharing a kiss.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 10, 2018 13:52:43 GMT
Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie. She was a spy with a double identity who could kick ass in IM2 and not much has changed since. Her fling with Banner in AoU was forced and unnecesary, as said by many people/critics in their AoU reviews. A character can have plenty of screentime but if its wasted then it isnt good character development. You could have removed her whole subplot in AoU and nothing would be really any different if you watched IW, (except one little moment where she acknowledges Banner when they meet). She had a moment in Ultron where they went into her backstory in the red room but nothing was done with it and hasnt been mentioned since. May be theyl explain it in her solo film. She is female so should get better character development for balance. It was hinted in Thor TDW that she was upset at Jane for stealing Thor from her, maybe they should have done something with that instead of goofing around with Selvig and Darcy. Alrady did a thread topic on this. Banner, Stark, Hank McCoy we know how they became geniuses, studying at top universities in America and collaborating with other very clever scientists in Yinsin and that Jennifer Connoly character. Shuri didnt leave Wakanda as far we know. Her high IQ is created with no good reason. Its not racist to say there are no highly reputed universities in Africa. Being called ugly constantly by Drax. Well in the last film they were to6gther before IW, in Civil War they were on opposite sides. She was resisting Vision keeping her in the complex when Clint came to free her. So yeah, its a bit out of the blue when in the next film they are sharing a kiss. She had no fling with Banner. She showed her interest, he turned her down. He even explained why it would not work. She tried again by saying that is why it would work. After that they only recognized the attraction they had for each other. Really? There would be nothing different? When Banner shows up at Avengers base he sees her and acknowledges her by name above all the others.
She is female so she should get more development as a balance? What in the hell? Jane didn't steal Thor from her. She never had Thor. It was a one-sided attraction. All Sif was saying is that she was jealous that she couldn't have Thor.
Wait... So Wakanda can't have a top university? Is that what you are saying? Wakanda is an isolated country. They don't have the same means as the rest of Africa or even the world. The whole point is that Wakanda has the best of the world and they weren't giving it to everyone else. They have a vibranium powered train system underground. A cloaking system that no one else in the world has. You are thinking of it as if Wakanda is the same as any other African country when it is clearly not.
Do you find a xenomorph queen sexy? Is it an ugly creature? Also, Drax had an instant crush on Mantis. He went total schoolyard on her. Do you people not understand social cues? He even started doing a noticeably fake vomit motion.
Oh my God... You have no clue what a civil war is, huh? Them being on opposite sides of the issue has nothing to do with how they felt about each other. Just because they had feelings for each other doesn't mean she wanted to be kept in the base. Vision wanted to keep her safe there, but she would have rather been free. I mean, they had an entire scene of them having a cooking date.
The MCU is so much about the character. I'm starting to understand that you guys don't know how people work and think of them as plot devices.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 10, 2018 14:55:25 GMT
The females are not well written Black Widow - Still the same generic spy. Had a forced romantic fling with Banner after opening up about her procedure in the red room. Plot went no where and never mentioned again. Pepper Potts - Has no defined role in the MCU right now other than being Tonys nagging girlfriend. They faked her death in IM3 to make her a extremis soldier but was quickly undone. They must have wanted to silence SJW critics by having a woman saving Stark for a change because otherwise her becoming extremis then normal again was utterly pointless. Jane Forster - pointless Lady Sif- pointless Shuri - Mary Sue Agent Hill - pointless Mantis - humiliated Wanda - starts off as a vulnerable, unstable Reality warper. Still is one to this day (whilst her accent is lazily changed). She develops a romantic interest in Vision which comes outta the blue in IW with no real emotion behind it, only feelings of fan service. The only ones that come out with credible development and sustained character arcs are Gamora and Nebula. Whats that, 2 outta 10. Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie.
Pepper is the Lucius Fox for Iron Man. She's there to run Stark Industries so Tony doesn't.
Jane was our pov. Blame Portman.
Well, the actress got her own tv series. They left it open for her to return. Also, why should her role be any different from the other 3 Asgardians she was grouped with? Just because she's a woman?
How is Shuri a Mary Sue? If she is a Mary Sue then Stark is Gary Stu. Banner is one. James Bond's Q is one. Shuri is a vibranium genius. Or is it because she's a woman. I'm thinking you guys are kinda sexist.
Hill is an assistant. She plays that role.
Humiliated how?
He romantic interest in Vision started in Age of Ultron. There is a running thread through out the movie for them. Hell, look at Civil War. Their role in that movie was just about them showing feelings for each other. Do you guys even watch these movies?
black widow is the same character, she is an action figure. they tried to give her something in age of ultron and it was awful so they dropped it. any sane person will take the tragic romance of bruce and talia over black widow/banner and age of ultron.
shuri is a mary sue, she has no flaws also didn't the actress once say she is smarter than stark? like rey knows the millennium falcon better than han solo. geez, no wonder star wars fans hate disney star wars, it is like mcu movies
wanda is useless. all she does is show up for cgi scenes, though I can fault wanda much, the only time she ever has depth as a character is when she is featured in xmen stories like house of m or xmen evolution.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 10, 2018 15:21:57 GMT
Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie.
Pepper is the Lucius Fox for Iron Man. She's there to run Stark Industries so Tony doesn't.
Jane was our pov. Blame Portman.
Well, the actress got her own tv series. They left it open for her to return. Also, why should her role be any different from the other 3 Asgardians she was grouped with? Just because she's a woman?
How is Shuri a Mary Sue? If she is a Mary Sue then Stark is Gary Stu. Banner is one. James Bond's Q is one. Shuri is a vibranium genius. Or is it because she's a woman. I'm thinking you guys are kinda sexist.
Hill is an assistant. She plays that role.
Humiliated how?
He romantic interest in Vision started in Age of Ultron. There is a running thread through out the movie for them. Hell, look at Civil War. Their role in that movie was just about them showing feelings for each other. Do you guys even watch these movies?
black widow is the same character, she is an action figure. they tried to give her something in age of ultron and it was awful so they dropped it. any sane person will take the tragic romance of bruce and talia over black widow/banner and age of ultron.
shuri is a mary sue, she has no flaws also didn't the actress once say she is smarter than stark? like rey knows the millennium falcon better than han solo. geez, no wonder star wars fans hate disney star wars, it is like mcu movies
wanda is useless. all she does is show up for cgi scenes, though I can fault wanda much, the only time she ever has depth as a character is when she is featured in xmen stories like house of m or xmen evolution. Another person that doesn't understand people.
"..so they dropped it." You do understand that "they dropped it" in the same movie. Right? They dropped it right after they picked it up. Scene one: "I like you Banner." "Nah, Nat, it won't work." Scene 2: "We'll be good for each other because we are monsters." "That's why it won't work, Nat." There was no tragic romance in TDKR between Talia and Bruce. Talia was using him because he killed her father. Talia actually has a love for Bruce in every other medium.
Why can't she be smarter than Stark? Also, you do know that the best thing about people is that they can smarter than other people in different fields. Also, being smarter makes her a Mary Sue? Is Stark suppose to be the top of the intelligence list? It's funny that you guys have a thread about devaluing women and you just devalue one because the actress (that makes 2 women you devalue in one) says that the character is smarter than a male character.
Was Wanda having quiet time with Vision in IW considered an action scene? I guess it can be. And Wanda is the cornerstone of depth in Civil War. Without her the movie wouldn't have the base it stood on. And there we go. It can't be good unless it is X-men. Get back to us when that happens in the movies.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 10, 2018 16:08:01 GMT
How come you never replied to my posts? Because unlike the MCU kids, I have a job to do and don't have time to reply to every single post. Sitting in your mom's basement jerking off all day isn't a job.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 16:16:43 GMT
Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie.
Pepper is the Lucius Fox for Iron Man. She's there to run Stark Industries so Tony doesn't.
Jane was our pov. Blame Portman.
Well, the actress got her own tv series. They left it open for her to return. Also, why should her role be any different from the other 3 Asgardians she was grouped with? Just because she's a woman?
How is Shuri a Mary Sue? If she is a Mary Sue then Stark is Gary Stu. Banner is one. James Bond's Q is one. Shuri is a vibranium genius. Or is it because she's a woman. I'm thinking you guys are kinda sexist.
Hill is an assistant. She plays that role.
Humiliated how?
He romantic interest in Vision started in Age of Ultron. There is a running thread through out the movie for them. Hell, look at Civil War. Their role in that movie was just about them showing feelings for each other. Do you guys even watch these movies?
black widow is the same character, she is an action figure. they tried to give her something in age of ultron and it was awful so they dropped it. any sane person will take the tragic romance of bruce and talia over black widow/banner and age of ultron.
shuri is a mary sue, she has no flaws also didn't the actress once say she is smarter than stark? like rey knows the millennium falcon better than han solo. geez, no wonder star wars fans hate disney star wars, it is like mcu movies
wanda is useless. all she does is show up for cgi scenes, though I can fault wanda much, the only time she ever has depth as a character is when she is featured in xmen stories like house of m or xmen evolution. you have no idea what a Mary Sue is.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 17:47:41 GMT
And the guy who stole the ring could've learned about Wakanda from Killmonger before he stole the ring from Killmonger., No he couldn't have because Killmonger kept that part of his life a complete secret even from Klaue who he had been closely working with. He would have told nobody. Killmonger didn't tell Klaue because Klaue is a white guy and Killmonger hates white people. But if Killmonger had a friend who was black, especially a friend who served with him in Special Forces, then it's very plausible that Killmonger would've told him. Special Forces teams tend to bond very closely simply because their missions are so dangerous and they need to be able to trust that their team members have their back so often they'll open up about personal things that they would never reveal to anyone else. This is exactly what I mean by you being silly. You've practically created your very own story now[/quote] I'm just pointing out that it's very plausible that Killmonger could've been an imposter and the only way to really prove that Killmonger is who he claims to be is by a DNA test. But the writers of Black Panther were too dumb to think of that. Killmonger was shown to be the son of Prince N'Jobu That's shown to the audience. But the characters in the movie (T'Challa, T'Challa's family, the warriors of Wakanda, the rest of Wakanda) don't know that and the only way that can be proven is by a DNA test. But the writers of Black Panther want te audience to believe that everyone in Wakanda has telepathic powers and knew that Killmonger was T'Challa's cousin without any scientific proof. For a country that's supposedly technologically advanced to accept a claim of royal heritage by someone whom they had never seen before and didn't even know existed without any scientific proof such as a DNA test is just dumb and lazy writing.Which was only because he also was told about it's existence by Prince N'Jobu. Yes, and if N'Jobu told Klaue all about Wakanda, then it's very plausible that Killmonger could've told a friend all about Wakanda. Especially if Killmonger and his friend served together in Special Forces. Like I said, Special Forces members tend to bond very closely due to the fact that their missions are so dangerous and they need to be able to trust that their team members have their back so often they'll open up about personal things that they would never reveal to anyone else. But they'd need to know what the tattoo was in the first place and because it's hidden on the body, then nobody would know about it. Unless you next want to claim that a Dentist could have stolen Killmongers ring. Or unless Killmonger tells a friend all about it. Especially if Killmonger and his friend served together in Special Forces. Like I said, Special Forces members tend to bond very closely due to the fact that their missions are so dangerous and they need to be able to trust that their team members have their back so often they'll open up about personal things that they would never reveal to anyone else.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 17:52:38 GMT
Black Widow is not the same character she was from Iron Man 2 even just to Avengers. And that's just one movie away. And she did not have a romantic fling with Banner. She showed interest. Which was mutual. The problem was both knew it wouldn't work. And it was brought up again in both Ragnarok and Infinity War. Also, she is getting her own movie. She was a spy with a double identity who could kick ass in IM2 and not much has changed since. Her fling with Banner in AoU was forced and unnecesary, as said by many people/critics in their AoU reviews. A character can have plenty of screentime but if its wasted then it isnt good character development. You could have removed her whole subplot in AoU and nothing would be really any different if you watched IW, (except one little moment where she acknowledges Banner when they meet). She had a moment in Ultron where they went into her backstory in the red room but nothing was done with it and hasnt been mentioned since. May be theyl explain it in her solo film. She is female so should get better character development for balance. It was hinted in Thor TDW that she was upset at Jane for stealing Thor from her, maybe they should have done something with that instead of goofing around with Selvig and Darcy. Alrady did a thread topic on this. Banner, Stark, Hank McCoy we know how they became geniuses, studying at top universities in America and collaborating with other very clever scientists in Yinsin and that Jennifer Connoly character. Shuri didnt leave Wakanda as far we know. Her high IQ is created with no good reason. Its not racist to say there are no highly reputed universities in Africa. Being called ugly constantly by Drax. Well in the last film they were to6gther before IW, in Civil War they were on opposite sides. She was resisting Vision keeping her in the complex when Clint came to free her. So yeah, its a bit out of the blue when in the next film they are sharing a kiss. Excellent post. You completely debunked all of ThatGuy's arguments.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2018 17:58:42 GMT
So Wakanda can't have a top university? Is that what you are saying? Wakanda is an isolated country. They don't have the same means as the rest of Africa or even the world. The whole point is that Wakanda has the best of the world and they weren't giving it to everyone else. They have a vibranium powered train system underground. A cloaking system that no one else in the world has. You are thinking of it as if Wakanda is the same as any other African country when it is clearly not. Yes, it's impossible for Wakanda to have a top university simply because they've been an isolated country for hundreds of years. The top universities in the world are top universities because of collaboration and interaction from the top professors and students from around the world. Without that collaboration and interaction, you don't learn about other cultures and customs and you don't get the benefit of other perspectives. It's only through collaboration and interaction with the top minds from around the world that allows a university to become a top university. So NO, Wakanda does NOT have any top universities so Shuri, who didn't attend a top university, is nothing but a Mary Sue character.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 18:13:49 GMT
She had no fling with Banner. She showed her interest, he turned her down. He even explained why it would not work. She tried again by saying that is why it would work. After that they only recognized the attraction they had for each other. Really? There would be nothing different? When Banner shows up at Avengers base he sees her and acknowledges her by name above all the others. You seem to think just because a character has a story arc, that qualifies as chatacter development. It doesnt. That romantic interest plot with Banner and her red room backstory goe no where. 1 little acknowledgment of Banner at Avengers base is not exactly rich in developing Romanoff. If you watched IM2 where she was revealed to be a spy, and skipped all the movies inbetween and went to IW, you wouldnt miss much at all because nothing is developed in her character over those films. Her behaviour, character, morals and beliefs are pretty much constant. Compare it with Mistique. Watch FC, skip DOFP and watch Apocalypse. Raven is very diffrent in Apocalypse to what she was in FC. And thats because of thr heavy character focus they do in DOFP. The only question a new viewer would have is why Black Widows hair is now blonde in IW from brunette in IM2. Thats the extent of her character development. Sif should have got more screentime and thus development than Darcy. But they chose to focus on comedy and missed out on developing Lady Sif who was an interesting character. No Wakanda cant have a world high class university. If Wakanda is a secret state, its simply not possible. Top Universites have international collaboration to build on and expand research. If Wakanda is not open to the world, they will have limited library of knowledge. And certainly not enough for Shuri to become a child genuis Mantis' treatment is bad taste. Doesn't really matter how Vision and Wanda got together. Point is, she hasn't had much character development, if any at all. Shes more or less a mutant where the public fear her. Why not do a character arc about that and how she feels different to the other human Avengers.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 18:14:41 GMT
So Wakanda can't have a top university? Is that what you are saying? Wakanda is an isolated country. They don't have the same means as the rest of Africa or even the world. The whole point is that Wakanda has the best of the world and they weren't giving it to everyone else. They have a vibranium powered train system underground. A cloaking system that no one else in the world has. You are thinking of it as if Wakanda is the same as any other African country when it is clearly not. Yes, it's impossible for Wakanda to have a top university simply because they've been an isolated country for hundreds of years. The top universities in the world are top universities because of collaboration and interaction from the top professors and students from around the world. Without that collaboration and interaction, you don't learn about other cultures and customs and you don't get the benefit of other perspectives. It's only through collaboration and interaction with the top minds from around the world that allows a university to become a top university. So NO, Wakanda does NOT have any top universities so Shuri, who didn't attend a top university, is nothing but a Mary Sue character.Beat me to it. 👍🏻
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 10, 2018 18:33:20 GMT
Yes, it's impossible for Wakanda to have a top university simply because they've been an isolated country for hundreds of years. The top universities in the world are top universities because of collaboration and interaction from the top professors and students from around the world. Without that collaboration and interaction, you don't learn about other cultures and customs and you don't get the benefit of other perspectives. It's only through collaboration and interaction with the top minds from around the world that allows a university to become a top university. So NO, Wakanda does NOT have any top universities so Shuri, who didn't attend a top university, is nothing but a Mary Sue character.Beat me to it. 👍🏻 That still doesn't make her a Mary Sue.
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Post by scabab on Nov 10, 2018 22:41:50 GMT
But if Killmonger had a friend who was black, especially a friend who served with him in Special Forces, then it's very plausible that Killmonger would've told him. Now your going into pure speculative mode for the sake of it. You're creating your own backstory for characters that don't even exist in the story. Maybe the person who would test his blood would actually be on it, and he'd lie to cover that Killmonger wasn't actually who he said he was because the tester is actually another friend who has been undercover this whole time...yeah none of this matters at all. No it isn't. You're talking about the possibility that Killmonger would have some close black friend in the military, told this friend about Wakanda and his father, then despite this guy supposedly being his friend he'd still steal his ring anyway, then he'd go and get the exact same tattoo which he'd somehow know about, then this friend would feel compelled to exact a dangerous plan in order to get into Wakanda where he would then also impersonate him so to challenge the King. It's a movie...they get to the point in movies, you don't have all this fluff. Again, no it isn't. N'Jobu didn't tell Klaue about Wakanda because of some buddy buddy conversation. He told him as a deliberate plan to bring the place down which was so high a risk that he ended up getting killed for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 22:53:15 GMT
Yes, it's impossible for Wakanda to have a top university simply because they've been an isolated country for hundreds of years. The top universities in the world are top universities because of collaboration and interaction from the top professors and students from around the world. Without that collaboration and interaction, you don't learn about other cultures and customs and you don't get the benefit of other perspectives. It's only through collaboration and interaction with the top minds from around the world that allows a university to become a top university. So NO, Wakanda does NOT have any top universities so Shuri, who didn't attend a top university, is nothing but a Mary Sue character.Beat me to it. 👍🏻 Is that true, though? I now only know her from the movies but I just thought she was one of those almost impossibly smart characters. High IQ Mensa level like Tony, Banner or Reed Richards.
I do get the point that Wakanda is culturally isolated, which explains how their level of technology clashes with some of their customs. But I thought her intelligence was explained away by virtue of being just that. Smart. Sky's the limit should her education ever get the international molding it deserves, no?
Are you saying she's a Mary Sue in the movie or in the comics as well? It stands to reason to me that their country has educational facilities. I know it's a fictional country but even fictional countries usually have the hallmarks of what makes a country: some kind of government, some kind of law enforcement, some kind of school, some kind of health care, et cetera and so on.
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 10, 2018 23:23:23 GMT
For all the people who didn't bother to watch BP (DC-Fan specifically), in the scene just before M'Baku fights T'Challa for the throne, Nakia specifically declines to challenge T'Challa. Meaning she could actually have challenged him if she wished and ruled as ruler of wakanda had she won. As for Shuri fighting Killmonger, DC-Fan seems to think her family should have forced her to fight him against her will without giving her a choice. Plus it was logical for Shuri NOT to fight Killmonger, there is no way she would have won against him in a fight without her technology. And although Killmonger was a villain, he did win the fight against T' Challa fairly by the standards of the fight.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2018 23:45:19 GMT
Is that true, though? I now only know her from the movies but I just thought she was one of those almost impossibly smart characters. High IQ Mensa level like Tony, Banner or Reed Richards.
I do get the point that Wakanda is culturally isolated, which explains how their level of technology clashes with some of their customs. But I thought her intelligence was explained away by virtue of being just that. Smart. Sky's the limit should her education ever get the international molding it deserves, no?
Are you saying she's a Mary Sue in the movie or in the comics as well? It stands to reason to me that their country has educational facilities. I know it's a fictional country but even fictional countries usually have the hallmarks of what makes a country: some kind of government, some kind of law enforcement, some kind of school, some kind of health care, et cetera and so on.
Ive never read any black panther comics so im talking from the movie only. And child geniuses need to have the right conditions in their educational upbringing to reach that status. Reed Richards, Hank McCoy, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner all have publication histories of attending universities such as Harvard, M.I.T, Cal tech, and Coloumbia. She might not be a strict mary sue, but her character being explained as having genuis level intellect has shaky foundations.
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 11, 2018 0:07:46 GMT
Is that true, though? I now only know her from the movies but I just thought she was one of those almost impossibly smart characters. High IQ Mensa level like Tony, Banner or Reed Richards.
I do get the point that Wakanda is culturally isolated, which explains how their level of technology clashes with some of their customs. But I thought her intelligence was explained away by virtue of being just that. Smart. Sky's the limit should her education ever get the international molding it deserves, no?
Are you saying she's a Mary Sue in the movie or in the comics as well? It stands to reason to me that their country has educational facilities. I know it's a fictional country but even fictional countries usually have the hallmarks of what makes a country: some kind of government, some kind of law enforcement, some kind of school, some kind of health care, et cetera and so on.
Ive never read any black panther comics so im talking from the movie only. And child geniuses need to have the right conditions in their educational upbringing to reach that status. Reed Richards, Hank McCoy, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner all have publication histories of attending universities such as Harvard, M.I.T, Cal tech, and Coloumbia. She might not be a strict mary sue, but her character being explained as having genuis level intellect has shaky foundations. From the FOX-Men movies where did Prof. X or what university did he publish his papers??? Or what university did Hank McCoy publish papers or get his Ph.D from to create Cerebro or the Mutant virus cure that also heals cripples and allows them to miraculously walk again???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 0:25:00 GMT
Ive never read any black panther comics so im talking from the movie only. And child geniuses need to have the right conditions in their educational upbringing to reach that status. Reed Richards, Hank McCoy, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner all have publication histories of attending universities such as Harvard, M.I.T, Cal tech, and Coloumbia. She might not be a strict mary sue, but her character being explained as having genuis level intellect has shaky foundations. From the FOX-Men movies where did Prof. X or what university did he publish his papers??? Or what university did Hank McCoy publish papers or get his Ph.D from to create Cerebro or the Mutant virus cure that also heals cripples and allows them to miraculously walk again??? I do actually remember from First Class that Xavier was at Oxford.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2018 0:44:34 GMT
You're creating your own backstory for characters that don't even exist in the story. No, I'm just giving an example of how it's very plausible that someone could know all about Wakanda and have the ring and the tattoo and still be an imposter. The only way to know for sure was a DNA test. And like I said, for a supposedly technologically advanced country to just accept someone's claim of royal heritage without any scientific proof, such as a DNA test, is just dumb and lazy writing.
You're talking about the possibility that Killmonger would have some close black friend in the military Why is that not possible? told this friend about Wakanda and his father Again, very plausible. Like I said before, Special Forces members tend to bond very closely due to the fact that they go on dangerous missions together so they have to be able to trust their team members to have their back. So often, they'll open up to their team members and tell them personal secrets that they would never tell anyone else. What is so hard to understand about that? then despite this guy supposedly being his friend he'd still steal his ring anyway, then he'd go and get the exact same tattoo which he'd somehow know about, then this friend would feel compelled to exact a dangerous plan in order to get into Wakanda where he would then also impersonate him so to challenge the King. He might not have stolen the ring. Like I said, the missions are dangerous and Killmonger could've been KIA on a mission. But before Killonger was KIA, Killmonger could've told his friend and team member all about his plan to get revenge on T'Challa. So Killmonger's friend and team member takes the ring and impersonates Killmonger to carry out Kilmonger's plan in honor of Killmonger. N'Jobu didn't tell Klaue about Wakanda because of some buddy buddy conversation. He told him as a deliberate plan to bring the place down which was so high a risk So basically, N'Jobu trusted Klaue enough to tell him all about Wakanda and his plan to bring it down. so why is it not possible for Kilmonger to tell a friend and team member in Special Forces that he trusted all about Wakanda and his plan to get revenge on T'Challa?
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