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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2018 0:47:41 GMT
This whole talk of universities is silly. Wakanda has tech that's obviously more advanced than the rest of the world. How would going to Ivy League universities help in teaching someone about Wakandan technology?
Obviously Wakanda has its own educational system which is probably where Shuri learned craft. Add to that her being a genius and princes and it's enough explaination for why she can do what she does.
Is it a flimsy explanation? Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2018 1:04:45 GMT
This whole talk of universities is silly. Wakanda has tech that's obviously more advanced than the rest of the world. How would going to Ivy League universities help in teaching someone about Wakandan technology? Obviously Wakanda has its own educational system which is probably where Shuri learned craft. Add to that her being a genius and princes and it's enough explaination for why she can do what she does. Is it a flimsy explanation? Yes Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics. Bruce Wayne doesn't invent or create those gadgets. Lucious Fox does.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 11, 2018 1:48:08 GMT
So Wakanda can't have a top university? Is that what you are saying? Wakanda is an isolated country. They don't have the same means as the rest of Africa or even the world. The whole point is that Wakanda has the best of the world and they weren't giving it to everyone else. They have a vibranium powered train system underground. A cloaking system that no one else in the world has. You are thinking of it as if Wakanda is the same as any other African country when it is clearly not. Yes, it's impossible for Wakanda to have a top university simply because they've been an isolated country for hundreds of years. The top universities in the world are top universities because of collaboration and interaction from the top professors and students from around the world. Without that collaboration and interaction, you don't learn about other cultures and customs and you don't get the benefit of other perspectives. It's only through collaboration and interaction with the top minds from around the world that allows a university to become a top university. So NO, Wakanda does NOT have any top universities so Shuri, who didn't attend a top university, is nothing but a Mary Sue character.Sheesh, diaper rash makes you cranky there, doesn't it crybaby?!
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2018 3:10:02 GMT
This whole talk of universities is silly. Wakanda has tech that's obviously more advanced than the rest of the world. How would going to Ivy League universities help in teaching someone about Wakandan technology? Obviously Wakanda has its own educational system which is probably where Shuri learned craft. Add to that her being a genius and princes and it's enough explaination for why she can do what she does. Is it a flimsy explanation? Yes Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics. Bruce Wayne doesn't invent or create those gadgets. Lucious Fox does. Only in the TDK trilogy. Fox didn't exist in the other Batman movies. As for Shuri, my point still stands. Ivy league universities would be next to useless in teaching someone how to build Wakandan tech, so Shuri's skill is definitely something she couldn't have learned in a university. You're also assuming that Wakandan education is worse than Ivy League universities.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2018 4:11:18 GMT
Ivy league universities would be next to useless in teaching someone how to build Wakandan tech, so Shuri's skill is definitely something she couldn't have learned in a university. You're also assuming that Wakandan education is worse than Ivy League universities. 1st, Shuri not only was an expert in Wakandan tech but she also was an expert in human physiology, since she knew exactly what was wrong with Ross and how to heal his wounds that other doctors couldn't heal. So Shuri is indeed a Mary Sue character, just like Rey in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. 2nd, YEs, Wakanda education is worst than Ivy League universities. Like I said before, Ivy League universities have professors and students from around the world. So they have the best minds from around the world collaborating and interacting and learning.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 6:53:33 GMT
MCU always devalues female characters! Shuri is a Mary Sue! (i.e., a “flawless” character) ![](https://m0.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15125046/stupid.gif)
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 11, 2018 7:12:54 GMT
MCU always devalues female characters! Shuri is a Mary Sue! (i.e., a “flawless” character) ![](https://m0.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15125046/stupid.gif) Creating a Mary-Sue is the easy way to add value to a female character but it lacks substance. Why can’t the MCU create believably empowered females? Don’t they consider women capable of such status?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2018 7:49:58 GMT
Ivy league universities would be next to useless in teaching someone how to build Wakandan tech, so Shuri's skill is definitely something she couldn't have learned in a university. You're also assuming that Wakandan education is worse than Ivy League universities. 1st, Shuri not only was an expert in Wakandan tech but she also was an expert in human physiology, since she knew exactly what was wrong with Ross and how to heal his wounds that other doctors couldn't heal. So Shuri is indeed a Mary Sue character, just like Rey in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. 2nd, YEs, Wakanda education is worst than Ivy League universities. Like I said before, Ivy League universities have professors and students from around the world. So they have the best minds from around the world collaborating and interacting and learning. 1st, you just proved that you have no idea what a mary sue is. Please do your research. 2nd, Ivy League universities don't have laser weapons and indestructible suits. It's quite obvious that Wakandan sciences and knowledge are far more advanced than those offered in Ive League universities. 3rd, you'd already know all of this if you bothered watching BP.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2018 7:52:22 GMT
MCU always devalues female characters! Shuri is a Mary Sue! (i.e., a “flawless” character) ![](https://m0.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15125046/stupid.gif) Creating a Mary-Sue is the easy way to add value to a female character but it lacks substance. Why can’t the MCU create believably empowered females? Don’t they consider women capable of such status? Except the MCU has no Mary Sues. Try again dumb guy.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 11, 2018 9:52:29 GMT
From the FOX-Men movies where did Prof. X or what university did he publish his papers??? Or what university did Hank McCoy publish papers or get his Ph.D from to create Cerebro or the Mutant virus cure that also heals cripples and allows them to miraculously walk again??? Prof X went to Oxford university in First Class and Hank McCoy was said to have graduated Harvad at 15.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 11, 2018 9:59:25 GMT
Only in the TDK trilogy. Fox didn't exist in the other Batman movies. As for Shuri, my point still stands. Ivy league universities would be next to useless in teaching someone how to build Wakandan tech, so Shuri's skill is definitely something she couldn't have learned in a university. You're also assuming that Wakandan education is worse than Ivy League universities. Vibranium is an element/alloy like any other traditional metal and needs experts in diagnostics in metallurgy chemistry to characterise and manipulate it. Wakanda would need a lot of inorganic analytical machinery to control vibranium. Sure they can just buy these from abroad, but would require experts to operate. One decent explanation I read was that some Wakandans would go abroad and study in foreign universities to relay the information back to Wakanda when they came home, siphoning the knowledge. That would make good sense. So Shuri may have been home schooled by one of these people. I wish they would drop a line in the film to suggest that, like they have with other comic book genuises like Stark and Banner.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 11, 2018 10:35:50 GMT
Ive never read any black panther comics so im talking from the movie only. And child geniuses need to have the right conditions in their educational upbringing to reach that status. Reed Richards, Hank McCoy, Tony Stark and Bruce Banner all have publication histories of attending universities such as Harvard, M.I.T, Cal tech, and Coloumbia. She might not be a strict mary sue, but her character being explained as having genuis level intellect has shaky foundations. From the FOX-Men movies where did Prof. X or what university did he publish his papers??? Or what university did Hank McCoy publish papers or get his Ph.D from to create Cerebro or the Mutant virus cure that also heals cripples and allows them to miraculously walk again??? Xavier went to Oxford and has proven many times he has a genius intellect
beast was already working for the CIA. the CIA even spoke of his brilliance.
Funny since this stuff happens in real life to people.
tells us, what is the science behind Vibranuim again that solves every problem in the world? Because in xmen, mutation and human genetics is explained with real science hypothesises that has depth.
So ironic, mcu fans are talking about school yet they missed the part of first class where xavier went to oxford, lived in england, also to show the great story telling of xmen that mcu lacks, in DOFP trask read xavier's papers or shall I say dissertation, this was when trask was convinced more than ever mutants are threats. he takes xavier's research the the US Government.
Two words klienreturns. OWNED and SCHOOLED.
LOL, When I tell people black panther is dumbed down version of first class, those are too kind of words.
mcu fans continue to show their stupidity they cant help but lie as usual. so pathetic.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 11, 2018 10:41:09 GMT
This whole talk of universities is silly. Wakanda has tech that's obviously more advanced than the rest of the world. How would going to Ivy League universities help in teaching someone about Wakandan technology? Obviously Wakanda has its own educational system which is probably where Shuri learned craft. Add to that her being a genius and princes and it's enough explaination for why she can do what she does. Is it a flimsy explanation? Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics. is not actually silly or a flimsy explanation. xmen first class, did the hard work to make studying a thing. it also shows mcu movies have poor thin screenplays. check out xmen first class. xavier at oxford
see this is why xmen movies are superior. they are realistic and grounded and have depth. we see xavier in oxford, studying. DOFP heavily implied he was a doctor because Trask reads his paper on genetics and takes it to the usa and russia government warning them of the threat mutants are.
goodness, only mcu fans will try to spin universities as silly makes sense your movies appeals to the brainless masses.
black panther is a generic movie compared to first class, ofcourse you will never see shuri actually studying or in uni or writing academic essays like xavier did.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 11, 2018 10:45:16 GMT
LOL. And black panther just has vibranuim that is not even explained how it works but somehows solves every problem?
shuri is smart because??
at least raven admits xavier school papers puts her to sleep meaning xavier was too much of a geek and studies a lot.
LOl...MCU XMEN IS SO SCREWED once they dumb it down to black panther levels.
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Post by scabab on Nov 11, 2018 12:20:02 GMT
No, I'm just giving an example of how it's very plausible that someone could know all about Wakanda and have the ring and the tattoo and still be an imposter. It's not plausible and it's also unnecessary in the confines of the story. An explanation was already given for the characters in the movie to explain why Killmonger was who he was that was straight to the point and allowed the story to move on from it without dragging the information out and slowing the pacing. If they established the point of the ring and tattoo then there was no point to do anything further. If they were just going to have a DNA test anyway then there would have be no point in making the ring a focal point in the first place. Individually that would be possible but that's it. You've quoted each point here separately to break them down and not as a whole package which would be like getting a single number on the lottery but not the whole set. This also has nothing to do with what you asked in the OP about why women couldn't challenge Killmonger either. Because such a character does not exist in the story. Klaue was an actual character that was a part of the movie. Your "friend" character is your own creation that does not apply to the movie or any of the characters within it. Even if he did, N'Jobu told Klaue because of his own desires, not because he was his friend or because he cared for him. He personally wanted Wakanda brought down, so he hired a criminal to help him achieve what his goal. Not like Killmonger telling a non existent character about Wakanda because he wanted to because they were close.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 14:07:29 GMT
MCU always devalues female characters! Shuri is a Mary Sue! (i.e., a “flawless” character) ![](https://m0.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15125046/stupid.gif) Creating a Mary-Sue is the easy way to add value to a female character but it lacks substance. Why can’t the MCU create believably empowered females? Don’t they consider women capable of such status? Apparently, it is you who can not consider a black women capable of such status without a long explaination as to how she achieved the genius level intellect depicted by Shuri in BP. That’s your hang up. Don’t try to shed it off on others.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2018 14:32:00 GMT
in xmen, mutation and human genetics is explained with real science hypothesises that has depth. Of course the “real science hypothesis that has depth” can not possibly explain the wide variety of fantastical (and often ridiculous) charactors depicted in X-men. Anyone who thinks the X-men is based on “real science” must be completely daft in the head. ![](https://media1.tenor.com/images/396b7424a498cc0154ea9270a056a715/tenor.gif?itemid=3494872)
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2018 15:37:10 GMT
Because unlike the MCU kids, I have a job to do and don't have time to reply to every single post. Sitting in your mom's basement jerking off all day isn't a job. While wearing an Infinty Glove
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2018 15:45:07 GMT
Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics. Bruce Wayne doesn't invent or create those gadgets. Lucious Fox does. Who played Fox in the DCEU films?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2018 15:47:12 GMT
This whole talk of universities is silly. Wakanda has tech that's obviously more advanced than the rest of the world. How would going to Ivy League universities help in teaching someone about Wakandan technology? Obviously Wakanda has its own educational system which is probably where Shuri learned craft. Add to that her being a genius and princes and it's enough explaination for why she can do what she does. Is it a flimsy explanation? Well, no more flimsier than Bruce Wayne being able to invent and create his batmobile, batjet, bat sprays and all those gadgets without multiple engineering degrees and an entire team of engineers and mechanics. is not actually silly or a flimsy explanation. xmen first class, did the hard work to make studying a thing. it also shows mcu movies have poor thin screenplays. check out xmen first class. xavier at oxford
see this is why xmen movies are superior. they are realistic and grounded and have depth. we see xavier in oxford, studying. DOFP heavily implied he was a doctor because Trask reads his paper on genetics and takes it to the usa and russia government warning them of the threat mutants are.
goodness, only mcu fans will try to spin universities as silly makes sense your movies appeals to the brainless masses.
black panther is a generic movie compared to first class, ofcourse you will never see shuri actually studying or in uni or writing academic essays like xavier did.
Uhuh. And what kind of Oxford degree does Xavier have that explains how he got the knowledge to build Cerebro? Or are you implying that every Oxford graduate just happens to have the knowledge to build something that complex?
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