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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 18, 2018 0:26:55 GMT
Just because the taboo of using curse words is lessened as you get older, doesn't mean that the use of curse words is mature. In our society its usually the opposite. As adolescences start to feel their place in the world on their own, many will start cursing to show others they are grown. Teenage years are punctuated with acne, gangling coordination, wispy mustaches, and curse words. In real life there are many people on the spectrum of cursing. I'm on the heavy end. Neighbor down the road I've only heard curse once when we were fishing. A hook went through the padding of is thumb and partly popped off his thumb nail from the nail bed. (he said Mother Fucking Bitch if you were wondering it happened years ago but considering I heard him curse once in 20 years it stuck with me) I'd say the world is some where in the middle. Logan if real would curse a lot I believe. So him cursing a lot in Logan isn't a stretch. I think they over played it a little bit. About halfway through it starts to get noticeable. It pulled me out of the movie a couple of times. I thought of the South Park episode when they could finally say shit. I have expected a fuck counter was gong to appear in the corner. If I think you are leaning into cursing you know it excessive. I forgot who said but for Deadpool the people that are geared the most for the movie and comedy are the people who couldn't get in on their own. Deadpool is prime example that Curse words do not mean Mature. A lot of the time its the exact opposite. I'm all for cursing if it fits the character or situation just don't lean into it, and don't assume just because you can curse means that it will make your movie more mature. When we say children its under 10s mainly. Of course adolescents/teens curse a lot more than an average adult. Curse words on their own arent mature Any more than blood is, but the use of them on screen means the filmmakers are reaching out to an older demographic which is not the case with MCU movies. They ensure their content is watered down enough so that children are able to enjoy the product. I accept that cursing is just another arrow in a filmmakers quiver. It's just one that needs to be used with focus. It's easy over use it and get sloppy with it. I don't know if I agree with using cursing/blood is a signal that the filmakers are going for an older demographic. No matter if a movie is PG to R rated the studios are still going after that 13-30 demographic. Is MCU more kid friendly yeah it is. Every MCU movie is still aimed at 13-30. Even the ones blatantly going for kids (usually with a g-pg rating) Still would like 5-15 year olds and their parents. (that's why they always have adult humor that goes over kids heads) The perfect age for Deadpool audience was probably 16. My equivalent of Deadpool when I was a kid was Robocop. I saw it at 11. My sis took me she was 18. They never even asked how could she have a 10ish year old kid. Had to love the 80's. The ultra violence in that movie played to two audiences kids like me who just wanted to see shit blow up and dudes die. and 30 sometings that saw it as a Deconstruction of the American Dream wrapped up in a Jesus Allegory. (or so I wrote years ago in a paper). Deadpool didn't really have the subtext. All it's text was where everyone could see it. It was dirty, raunchy, rude just to be those thing Disney's reputation is a calculated thing. They are reaching to the same demo as everyone else most of the time. My hope for Fox and X-men is what I've said along. Have Fox continue and use it like they use Touchstone to produce their R rated movies. Have Deadpool made by Fox. establish Mutants in the MCU not whole hog right of the bat. Let Fox still make them (I'd have to recast though) have a slow burn finally getting them together. It will let everyone get aclimated. And no cross overs into others movies for a long time. Disney's Fox needs establish itself before thinking about having crossover events. The reason I would recast would be one to retire incapsulate the foX-men proper. 2 you are going to have to cast a new Wolverine anyways. I hope Marvel Studios doesn't even bring in Wolverine until X-men's 3 movie at least. That's my hope anyway. Goddamn I typed another term paper. I need to learn how shut the fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:59:58 GMT
And people still say MCU is not for children? Last time I checked, refraining from swearing is actually a sign of class.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:00:31 GMT
Pretty sure Fuck was never uttered in any PG13 superhero movie yet, whether made by MCU, DC or Fox. Its been used multiple times in Xmens pg13 films. Ah, so you admit the MCU is classier than the X-Men films.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:01:04 GMT
Why, you think adults need to say "fuck" to become proper adults? Any movie franchise that hasnt used fuck for 20 of its films clearly are catering heavily towards the children market. It kinda destroys the MCU is for all ages PR spin. What are you, 13?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:01:43 GMT
I don’t really care about if there’s no ‘Fucks’ in any of them. Added swearing doesn’t mean the movie is better. It would be intersting for them to do that, but it isn’t gonna change the quality of the film either way. It adds realism. That's nice. Comic books and comic book movies aren't realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:02:54 GMT
True that, but can’t you use other things to add realism? Like a relevant subject matter? You can add other things but these films are basically high octane action movies where there's a lot at stake. People would be using the F word repeatdly irl. I had problems with Nolans Dunkirk because he refused to use blood. Its still a good movie but taking out gore in a war film doesnt immerse you fully into the warzone. Same thing with adult men holding back on profanity in life/death action movies. A whole lot of movies that are considered all-time great classics fall into the not saying the F-word and not using blood and gore thing to get their point across.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:08:18 GMT
That's implying that movies to include the word "fuck" just to be qualified as catering to adults. That's a false premise. The amount of cusswords you use has no bearing on a person's age or maturity. Not really understanding your point. Adults use profanity more than children because adults understand the connotations behind the cuss words therefore a movie with profanity will be better understood by adults. Also, the regulations of movie quality control state that pg13 movies can use the F word once. Why hasnt the MCU used it in around 20 movies? Actually, children swear more than adults, because they think it's the "cool" thing to do. Most mature adults can refrain from doing it. Because it doesn't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:08:56 GMT
Could you give me examples? And then the magneto line "who tf are you" to apocalypse Theres also an F bomb in The Wolverine Edit: looks like scabab beat me to it Thank you for showing how crass the X-Men films are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:09:33 GMT
Because it’s not necessary in the least. Or because the movies are aimed at children. Or because it's not necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:12:57 GMT
They are children friendly, but they are aimed at teens and adults just as much as they are aimed at children. If they were equally designed for adults and teens, there would be violence, blood, profanity, heavy themes and nudity that are allowed within PG13 limits. Xmen films all have those because they are aimed more at adult/mature audiences. Disney MCU are softer in those aspects; very mild profanity, no nudity, resistance of violence (spiderkid cant punch), removing heavy storylines (Tonys alcoholism), minimal effort blood. And unlike the X-Men film series, didn't die two times over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:13:39 GMT
Not all adults need their movies to have violence, blood, profanity and nudity in them. They don’t need that because they don’t need to prove to anyone that they are mature unlike some people on this board who go out of their way to prove that they’re mature which actually makes them pretty immature. Yup it is the snowflake generation after all. Someone's clearly never seen a black 'n' white film.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:22:09 GMT
Well they are general audience movies. A cut above G for General or F for Family. PG maybe? They're pretty much ages 11-13 and up. That's not a criticism, just an observation.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 1:22:28 GMT
I accept that cursing is just another arrow in a filmmakers quiver. It's just one that needs to be used with focus. It's easy over use it and get sloppy with it. I don't know if I agree with using cursing/blood is a signal that the filmakers are going for an older demographic. I think its quite evident that films which use the harsh language/strong violence in pg13 settings are not aimed for family friendly demographics such as is a cardinal rule for Disney in their movie catalogue to refrain from profuse expletives, even if they are allowed given the regulations. There are really 2 types of PG13 movies. Ones like Dark Knight/Dunkirk and ones like Tomorrowland/GotG. They are not intended for the same audiences i think. Flicks like Robocop, Alien and Terminator are great examples of classics that have a wide appeal to all ages yeah. They are not dumbed down like their remake counterparts made recently which is a sad reflection of todays studios not understanding what made the originals accessible for wide groups of ages. Highly disagree. The storyline with Wades cancer diagnosis, his ordeal with becoming horribly disfigured and the death/reunification with Vanessa provides a rich undercurrent to the raunchy, lewd, violent overcoat that is Deadpool 1/2. The 2 films have a lot of heart that mature audiences can relate to whilst 16 y/os can be thrilled by the spectacle and jokes. Deadpool is still a mutant and the outcast subtext is present to some degree also.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 1:27:59 GMT
You can add other things but these films are basically high octane action movies where there's a lot at stake. People would be using the F word repeatdly irl. I had problems with Nolans Dunkirk because he refused to use blood. Its still a good movie but taking out gore in a war film doesnt immerse you fully into the warzone. Same thing with adult men holding back on profanity in life/death action movies. A whole lot of movies that are considered all-time great classics fall into the not saying the F-word and not using blood and gore thing to get their point across. No ones talking about film quality or all time classics. Im putting forward a reason why in 20 MCU films not one of them have used the F word. Because MCU films are targeted towards family friendly audiences. Conversely Xmen films arw targeted towards more older age groups on average. Why are you so ashamed to admit that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:31:00 GMT
A whole lot of movies that are considered all-time great classics fall into the not saying the F-word and not using blood and gore thing to get their point across. No ones talking about film quality or all time classics. Im putting forward a reason why in 20 MCU films not one of them have used the F word. Because MCU films are targeted towards family friendly audiences. Conversely Xmen films arw targeted towards more older age groups on average. Why are you so ashamed to admit that? Film is film. Does Charlton Heston have to drop F-bombs in "Ben-Hur" for that movie to be good? There is nothing to admit. They're both comic book movies that are rated PG-13, that have the same age groups who read the comics and watch the films. Using the f-word doesn't make a film more grown up. It just makes it more crass.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 1:34:58 GMT
Its been used multiple times in Xmens pg13 films. Ah, so you admit the MCU is classier than the X-Men films. Not classier, just softer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:35:57 GMT
Ah, so you admit the MCU is classier than the X-Men films. Not classier, just softer. Spoken like a true teen edgelord.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 1:46:37 GMT
Film is film. Does Charlton Heston have to drop F-bombs in "Ben-Hur" for that movie to be good? There is nothing to admit. They're both comic book movies that are rated PG-13, that have the same age groups who read the comics and watch the films. Using the f-word doesn't make a film more grown up. It just makes it more crass. Im not talking about if a film is good or not just because it has profanity. In Apocalypse, Magneto said the F word and I found it cringey because the context was wrong given the situation he was in. What im saying is Fox execs gave the okay for Singer/Kinberg to use the F word in the theatrical cut knowing they dont think too much about catering to children/family friendly groups wheras MCU Disney does. Disney would never allow to use the F word because they would lose money as families would not buy tickets to take their young children. Pg13 is a broad label. Nolans films are PG13 like live action Disney but worlds apart in their content.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:56:51 GMT
Film is film. Does Charlton Heston have to drop F-bombs in "Ben-Hur" for that movie to be good? There is nothing to admit. They're both comic book movies that are rated PG-13, that have the same age groups who read the comics and watch the films. Using the f-word doesn't make a film more grown up. It just makes it more crass. Im not talking about if a film is good or not just because it has profanity. In Apocalypse, Magneto said the F word and I found it cringey because the context was wrong given the situation he was in. What im saying is Fox execs gave the okay for Singer/Kinberg to use the F word in the theatrical cut knowing they dont think too much about catering to children/family friendly groups wheras MCU Disney does. Disney would never allow to use the F word because they would lose money as families would not buy tickets to take their young children. Pg13 is a broad label. Nolans films are PG13 like live action Disney but worlds apart in their content. I'm debating if I should even entertain this nonsense any longer. It is obvious that you're not really interested in a discussion. You just want to throw shade at the MCU because it beat the X-Men films even before buyout. You also display a stunning lack of knowledge about Disney. Here are a new names for you to look up: Miramax. Touchstone. Dimension Films.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 18, 2018 2:40:52 GMT
Because it’s not necessary in the least. Or because the movies are aimed at children. Or because they're movies aimed at everybody, from children to grandparents.
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