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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 18, 2018 18:51:53 GMT
So the truth is now against the rules? I didn't make them, but toxic behavior and "childish insults" are against the rules. Oh god I feel so sorry for Hauntedknight87 and scabab in the next few weeks. Everybody is going to do what you just did. Stop or derail argument to quote the rules and bring them in with a tag. I think they are going to be just as mad at the person committing the infraction as the person who points out the infraction. If the person pointing out the infraction does it excessively for petty or minor infractions. Have the knew rules been posted yet? When/if they are I'm sure there is going to be some wiggle room in them. If someone uses it over and over for questionable or minor infractions they might have to put a rule in for people abusing the enforcement of the new rules.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 18:53:18 GMT
I'm just saying: we're supposed to try to stay on topic, and he didn't deviate from it; doing so to call him a "teen edgelord" seems contradictory to the spirit of civil discourse. Innit? Just don't Take It There every single time. Argue the issues. The mentality that a film needs swearing to be mature being that of a teen edgelord IS on-topic. That's different than what you said, which is that he's "coming off" like one. Can't you express the same sentiment without shitting on him for disagreeing?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2018 18:55:17 GMT
Due to the holidays I've been busy, so the official rule thread hasn't been setup.
Once I get the free time I will try and have it up.
Sorry for the inconvenience. I'm stuck with mobile until I can get home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:00:09 GMT
The mentality that a film needs swearing to be mature being that of a teen edgelord IS on-topic. That's different than what you said, which is that he's "coming off" like one. Can't you express the same sentiment without shitting on him for disagreeing? Can't he express his sentiments about the MCU without implying that the series and it's fans are somehow lesser? Also, Hauntedknight87, I think you should add something to the rules strictly forbidding colden from harassing me any further.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 19:02:05 GMT
That's different than what you said, which is that he's "coming off" like one. Can't you express the same sentiment without shitting on him for disagreeing? Can't he express his sentiments about the MCU without implying that the series and it's fans are somehow lesser? Also, Hauntedknight87, I think you should add something to the rules strictly forbidding colden from harassing me any further. I don't see how calmly suggesting you find a more polite way to express an idea is "harassment."
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2018 19:02:37 GMT
That's different than what you said, which is that he's "coming off" like one. Can't you express the same sentiment without shitting on him for disagreeing? Can't he express his sentiments about the MCU without implying that the series and it's fans are somehow lesser? Also, Hauntedknight87, I think you should add something to the rules strictly forbidding colden from harassing me any further. Uh how was that harassment?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:06:15 GMT
Can't he express his sentiments about the MCU without implying that the series and it's fans are somehow lesser? Also, Hauntedknight87 , I think you should add something to the rules strictly forbidding colden from harassing me any further. Uh how was that harassment? He's been relentlessly following me around acting like I'm always the one in the wrong when clearly the other person threw the first punch. Like Charzhino on this very topic with his implications about both the MCU and its fans being childish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:06:55 GMT
Can't he express his sentiments about the MCU without implying that the series and it's fans are somehow lesser? Also, Hauntedknight87 , I think you should add something to the rules strictly forbidding colden from harassing me any further. I don't see how calmly suggesting you find a more polite way to express an idea is "harassment." Because you wouldn't do the same thing if Tristan got on my case. You're only doing it to me.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 19:09:27 GMT
I don't see how calmly suggesting you find a more polite way to express an idea is "harassment." Because you wouldn't do the same thing if Tristan got on my case. You're only doing it to me. You're the only one I've seen issue death threats/wishes against other people here since Knight called for civility. The squeaky wheel... ETA: furthermore, if the issue is simply disagreeing, then I -- well, disagree. I argued the merits of Guardians v2 with Tristan just the other day, in that same rules thread. So.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:10:53 GMT
Because you wouldn't do the same thing if Tristan got on my case. You're only doing it to me. You're the only one I've seen issue death threats/wishes against other people here since Knight called for civility. The squeaky wheel... And you don't give a damn. You only care about hurting me in some way because your pathology demands that everything that passed between us could never even be partially your fault. Stop pretending.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 19:15:10 GMT
You're the only one I've seen issue death threats/wishes against other people here since Knight called for civility. The squeaky wheel... And you don't give a damn. You only care about hurting me in some way because your pathology demands that everything that passed between us could never even be partially your fault. Stop pretending. Okay. Cool. Hook 'em! Back on topic, I don't think films need profanity to be good. However, I also don't think the amount of profanity (or lack thereof) in a film is a direct reflection of how "mature" or sophisticated the film is, per se.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:23:35 GMT
And you don't give a damn. You only care about hurting me in some way because your pathology demands that everything that passed between us could never even be partially your fault. Stop pretending. Okay. Cool. Hook 'em! Back on topic, I don't think films need profanity to be good. However, I also don't think the amount of profanity (or lack thereof) in a film is a direct reflection of how "mature" or sophisticated the film is, per se. Nah, you do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:29:14 GMT
Guys. Guys. If you look at Power Ranger's original post he clearly refers to the word WAFFLE. Not the F bomb. And that word has been used! In Iron Man 3 Jarvis tells Stark that he had gluten free WAFFLES™ for breakfast! So there you have it! The MCU is mature! Agreed, more or less. It has its moments, but for the most part they're general audience kids movies. There's probably a too young, but none of them have a too old, which is great if part of why you enjoy them is because you're young at heart.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 19:29:17 GMT
Okay. Cool. Hook 'em! Back on topic, I don't think films need profanity to be good. However, I also don't think the amount of profanity (or lack thereof) in a film is a direct reflection of how "mature" or sophisticated the film is, per se. Nah, you do. Nah, don't.
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Post by dazz on Nov 18, 2018 19:31:37 GMT
Because it’s not necessary in the least. Or because the movies are aimed at children. Or they have used profanity in cuts before but then the MPAA include it in their list of cut this to get PG-13 and as cussing isn't a vital part of the story where as a certain violent moment may be a key aspect to the story progression they choose to cut the swearing to save on the story.
I mean a lot of TV shows feature murder, rape, child abuse, drug use and such and don't use profanity yet are not meant for children, to think swearing proves anything shows a lack of sense.
SOA regularly featured the main characters murdering people, hitting women selling guns, running a porn studio and whore house as well as regularly using racist language, guess what they didn't swear much beyond shit does that make the show aimed at kids?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:37:38 GMT
Film is film. Does Charlton Heston have to drop F-bombs in "Ben-Hur" for that movie to be good? There is nothing to admit. They're both comic book movies that are rated PG-13, that have the same age groups who read the comics and watch the films. Using the f-word doesn't make a film more grown up. It just makes it more crass. Im not talking about if a film is good or not just because it has profanity. In Apocalypse, Magneto said the F word and I found it cringey because the context was wrong given the situation he was in. What im saying is Fox execs gave the okay for Singer/Kinberg to use the F word in the theatrical cut knowing they dont think too much about catering to children/family friendly groups wheras MCU Disney does. Disney would never allow to use the F word because they would lose money as families would not buy tickets to take their young children. Pg13 is a broad label. Nolans films are PG13 like live action Disney but worlds apart in their content. You still haven't answered me about Miramax, Touchstone, and Dimension Films.
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Post by scabab on Nov 18, 2018 19:44:20 GMT
You can disagree without people on either side throwing edgelord and snow flake at each other.
Just talk it out properly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:45:28 GMT
You can disagree without people on either side throwing edgelord and snow flake at each other. Just talk it out properly. I'm still waiting for Charzhino to acknowledge that Disney has made R-rated movies.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 19:51:33 GMT
You can disagree without people on either side throwing edgelord and snow flake at each other. Just talk it out properly. I'm still waiting for Charzhino to acknowledge that Disney has made R-rated movies. I don't think everyday people who sort of aren't fans of the movie business realize how big that Disney tent is. I think most associate "Disney" strictly with stuff they grew up with, like Frozen or Pixar, and then to a lesser extent the other big IPs like Marvel and SW. I remember there being this common refrain going around comic shops I frequented circa 2012 that the MCU was good in spite of Disney, or because they'd managed to acquire some degree of latitude. That's mostly fallen away now, it seems. ETA: or at least, I've heard it a lot less.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:55:29 GMT
I'm still waiting for Charzhino to acknowledge that Disney has made R-rated movies. I don't think everyday people who sort of aren't fans of the movie business realize how big that Disney tent is. I think most associate "Disney" strictly with stuff they grew up with, like Frozen or Pixar, and then to a lesser extent the other big IPs like Marvel and SW. I remember there being this common refrain going around comic shops I frequented circa 2012 that the MCU was good in spite of Disney, or because they'd managed to acquire some degree of latitude. That's mostly fallen away now, it seems. ETA: or at least, I've heard it a lot less. Dude, everybody knew that Miramax, Dimension, and Touchstone belonged to Disney. "I remember there being this common refrain going around comic shops I frequented circa 2012 that the MCU was good in spite of Disney," Sounds like comic book fans are salty that the Mouse is basically the house in town bringing the goods.
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