|
Post by Vassaggo on Nov 18, 2018 2:43:18 GMT
I'll agree this in principle, but in execution they aren't different enough for me to care. And with me being the uncle that takes all the kids and their friends to movies. I don't think parents or the kids see a difference either. I never had a parent/adult say this is a little harsh for being pg13 take the group to another movie. I don't think the parents/public/or studios themselves make split hairs that much. The Dark Knight's pg13 and Ironman pg13 there's not that much difference. I wouldn't even say GotG vs Dark Knight that's a noticeable difference to a parent.(I may have more easy going parents around me) I mean if you go into the movie looking for I guess you can find it.
I'll put it this way in my personal experience which is the only thing I can speak too. I've only had 2 situations were the material was over the kids heads. I had to explain what Nazi's and Concentration Camps were from First Class. And I had to discuss what Cancer was and how Peter wasn't mad that his Mom was dying he just hurt and sad. Thats why he loved the mix tapes so much. It was a part of his Mom. The Kids have grown up but any given trip the kids ranged from 9-21 shit i'm getting old My eldest Niece can drink now
The only time a parent mad a distinction with PG 13 movie is and I can't think of the movie. The MPAA will give you a shot of breasts if the scene is not very sexual and their is no use of the word Fuck. One of the parents heard there was breasts in it. Wish I could remember the movie. That's the only time I've her people grade for a Light pg 13 or a hard pg 13
Again I will agree with you. I guess there is such thing as Hard Pg 13 and soft Pg13 it's just I've had little to no actual experience with it. Except for the nudity one. I honestly don't think parents of 10+ year olds care about the distinction. Think about all the crap they are exposed to every day. You can police your kids as much as you want and they'll find a way. My nephew at 11 was trading porn clips using is Ipod as the storage and transfer device. I don't one "fuck" or a little stronger violence even matters anymore
I love the old ones better than the new ones, but I got to give the Robocop remakes a little credit. They tried to give some gravitas. The first Robocop was basically a satire on the ultra violent movies that preceded it. To make the violence part of the narrative. The new one tried and failed to say something about free will being a slave to tech or your government. The tech/drones are scary but it's we stop caring for each other is when we loose the free will. I mean they had the miracle of him turning on his emotions by himeself. And he overrode the command not to kill the boss. Show he got his free will back. It' was clumsily done and a little hookey but at least they tried. I can't say they tried with Alien, predator or terminator because they didn't
The movie has heart no doubt. The relationship is just daffy/quirky enough that you can believe these two people fit with each other. I just don't see a subtext. Their isn't any woven unseen theme connecting the movie together. There is a morality lesson in it though. It's classic. Don't judge a book by it's cover. The Damaged Hooker can find love because it's not what you were but who you are.. The scarred fugly merch sees it's not what he looks like it's what he does and is that counts. And the people who "normal" beautiful people are unfeeling monsters. Good Morality Play but I don't see a subtext.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 5:32:10 GMT
Guys. Guys. If you look at Power Ranger's original post he clearly refers to the word WAFFLE. Not the F bomb.
And that word has been used! In Iron Man 3 Jarvis tells Stark that he had gluten free WAFFLES™ for breakfast!
So there you have it! The MCU is mature!
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2018 12:45:45 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating.
Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 16:27:15 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating. Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create. Guess you must hate old black and white movies.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Nov 18, 2018 16:47:41 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating. Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create. I usually swear when the situation warrants it. I could go for months without swearing... or I could swear multiple times in a minute if necessary. Anyway, that's how I feel about swearing in movies. If the movie or scene warrants it then by all means swear. But if the swearing is only included just to make the movie seem edgier or more "adult" then it actually accomplishes the reverse: makes the movie more juvenile and lessens the impact of the swearing and the script in general. Deadpool had a lot of swearing... And it fit the movie. Logan on the other hand felt as if all the swearing was simply added to make it edgier and drive home the fact that it was R. It was gratuitous. Still ended up being a great movie but would have been better if they cut down a bit on the swearing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 16:51:46 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating. Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create. I usually swear when the situation warrants it. I could go for months without swearing... or I could swear multiple times in a minute if necessary. Anyway, that's how I feel about swearing in movies. If the movie or scene warrants it then by all means swear. But if the swearing is only included just to make the movie seem edgier or more "adult" then it actually accomplishes the reverse: makes the movie more juvenile and lessens the impact of the swearing and the script in general. Deadpool had a lot of swearing... And it fit the movie. Logan on the other hand felt as if all the swearing was simply added to make it edgier and drive home the fact that it was R. It was gratuitous. Still ended up being a great movie but would have been better if they cut down a bit on the swearing. Honestly, this whole topic feels like that time Nostalgia Critic fans started harping on some of the other contributor of That Guy with the Glasses/Channel Awesome for not swearing enough.
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2018 16:54:46 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating. Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create. Guess you must hate old black and white movies. I.i..don't?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 17:04:42 GMT
Guess you must hate old black and white movies. I.i..don't? Well, if 'not swearing' is good enough for a timeless classic like "Casablanca," then it's good enough for any movie.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 17:54:22 GMT
^
Weirdraptor still cant grasp that the point of swearing has no relation on a films quality.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Nov 18, 2018 17:57:50 GMT
Logan on the other hand felt as if all the swearing was simply added to make it edgier and drive home the fact that it was R. It was gratuitous. Still ended up being a great movie but would have been better if they cut down a bit on the swearing. I agree the cussing has to have a purpose to it and I felt in Logan they did overdo it a little. Same as the magneto line when he says Who tf are you to Apocalypse. Seemed like they used the line as a comedic moment which didnt fit in well with the scene as it happens right after Eric threatens to kill all the steelworkers. But the DOFP F bomb has good reasoning, in that it shows how low Prof X has gotten that he doesnt care about his self respected image from First Class anymore.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:16:50 GMT
^ Weirdraptor still cant grasp that the point of swearing has no relation on a films quality. You're the one implying that a film's quality is tied directly to how much people swear. I'm the one espousing that it's unneeded and bears no relation to a film's quality. Nice deflection, though. Also, you missed some apostrophes in your contracted words. Sorry, but you don't get to act like the sophisticated one when you were declaring the MCU to be of less quality for refraining from using the "F" word yesterday. Also, did you look up those studios I listed?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:18:33 GMT
Logan on the other hand felt as if all the swearing was simply added to make it edgier and drive home the fact that it was R. It was gratuitous. Still ended up being a great movie but would have been better if they cut down a bit on the swearing. I agree the cussing has to have a purpose to it and I felt in Logan they did overdo it a little. Same as the magneto line when he says Who tf are you to Apocalypse. Seemed like they used the line as a comedic moment which didnt fit in well with the scene as it happens right after Eric threatens to kill all the steelworkers. But the DOFP F bomb has good reasoning, in that it shows how low Prof X has gotten that he doesnt care about his self respected image from First Class anymore. Still coming off as a teen edgelord.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 18:36:35 GMT
I agree the cussing has to have a purpose to it and I felt in Logan they did overdo it a little. Same as the magneto line when he says Who tf are you to Apocalypse. Seemed like they used the line as a comedic moment which didnt fit in well with the scene as it happens right after Eric threatens to kill all the steelworkers. But the DOFP F bomb has good reasoning, in that it shows how low Prof X has gotten that he doesnt care about his self respected image from First Class anymore. Still coming off as a teen edgelord. This violates the rules. scabab Hauntedknight87
|
|
|
Post by Vassaggo on Nov 18, 2018 18:37:14 GMT
You know I never understood the whole taboo thing with swearing. I don't see why dropping the F bomb or other "swear words" multiple times should be exclusive to the R rating. Swearing was always natural to me, so I was always surprised by the controversy it can create. Trust me I've had this argument till I was blue in the face multiple times. Fundamentally words are concepts or sounds when put together translates them into a meaning. We give the words mean, power, connotation. Some words were created just to harm, demean and control others. Those aren't curse words those are usually racial slurs or some kind of slur. Most of our English swears come from bastardizing a word from another language or what was the common word way back in the day. C U N T is believed to be the normal word for the sex organ for a long time. The high class educated class stopped using it as the strata/hierarchy formed and cemented in England. First you segregate the words. Then you have the upper class look down on a word, then it because impolite/rude to use it. Then it's illegal to use it in public. Or that's how a lot of our swears came about. You see a big push in Victorian Times of using the Latin forms of words for vulgar or bodily functions/fluids. Latin was only taught to rich and priests. So it naturally already had the segregation into. That's why our proper/medical terms come from mainly. Vagina literally means sheath in Latin. The leather thing you put a sword in. In the end we ultimately call words obscene or vulgar arbitrarily. It's not the words themselves that are vulgar, and it's not the meaning usually. If that was the case C U N T would be as vulgar as Vagina and it's not. Vulgar origin from Vulgas meaning "common people" in Latin. That right there should tell you everything you need to know about curse words and where they come from. We use Vulgar as a synonym for dirty, crude, vile, and obscene and it litterally use to mean common men or people.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:39:45 GMT
So the truth is now against the rules?
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 18:43:28 GMT
So the truth is now against the rules? I didn't make them, but toxic behavior and "childish insults" are against the rules.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:46:17 GMT
So the truth is now against the rules? I didn't make them, but toxic behavior and "childish insults" are against the rules. It was a simple observation. He IS coming off like a teen edgelord. If our alliances were switched and he was the one defending the MCU, you'd be in my corner right now.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 18:48:28 GMT
I didn't make them, but toxic behavior and "childish insults" are against the rules. It was a simple observation. He IS coming off like a teen edgelord. If our alliances were switched and he was the one defending the MCU, you'd be in my corner right now. I'm just saying: we're supposed to try to stay on topic, and he didn't deviate from it; doing so to call him a "teen edgelord" seems contradictory to the spirit of civil discourse. Innit? Just don't Take It There every single time. Argue the issues.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:49:26 GMT
It was a simple observation. He IS coming off like a teen edgelord. If our alliances were switched and he was the one defending the MCU, you'd be in my corner right now. I'm just saying: we're supposed to try to stay on topic, and he didn't deviate from it; doing so to call him a "teen edgelord" seems contradictory to the spirit of civil discourse. Innit? Just don't Take It There every single time. Argue the issues. The mentality that a film needs swearing to be mature being that of a teen edgelord IS on-topic.
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2018 18:50:31 GMT
Well, if 'not swearing' is good enough for a timeless classic like "Casablanca," then it's good enough for any movie. I wasn't just strictly talking about film. I meant swearing as a whole. There's a weird taboo with swearing, for example I slightly burned my hand when I spilled some coffee and my reaction was to shout "Fuck" and I was told to watch my language. It's that kind of attitude I don't understand.
|
|