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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 18:39:07 GMT
Venom: budget $100m box office: $780m*
Spider-Man Homecoming: budget $175m box office: $880m
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
Yes
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 18:45:03 GMT
Then Sony can take back Spidey after a couple more films and break Marvel’s back and make them humble. |
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 18:46:26 GMT
Then Sony can take back Spidey after a couple more films and break Marvel’s back and make them humble. Erm... if they're stupid, yeah. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 19, 2018 19:22:05 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2018 19:23:37 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu. X-Men desperately needs Disney. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 19, 2018 19:52:03 GMT
I had no idea it has made that much money. Yeah it's gonna be more profitable for sure.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 19:57:57 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu. Like Fox-men, Sony could only produce few good Spidermen movies and rest were mediocre. Both X-men and Spiderman need the MCU to revitalize the characters and make them great again. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 19, 2018 20:39:22 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu. Like Fox-men, Sony could only produce few good Spidermen movies and rest were mediocre. Both X-men and Spiderman need the MCU to revitalize the characters and make them great again. you have a low IQ and are very offensive to veteran Marvel fans not to mention the lie you tell. shall we check out the facts?
1. why will xmen need the mcu when mcu cant even make xmen movies? logan, dofp, deadpool? these movies are beyond the mcu jokey disney light formula for kids that are mcu.
2. why would spiderman need the mcu after the raimi movies? when mcu spiderman homecoming is perhaps the most childish movie along with ant man and gotg?
3. why would spiderman and xmen need the mcu when mcu are far from great to the point that mcu has damaged the comic genre? something spiderman and xmen in particular gave credibility too?
tell me how will mcu adapt E is fr extinction again? is that jokey like thor 3 or cgi no plot fest like infinity war?
you mcu bafoons never stop to make me laugh.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 19, 2018 20:40:30 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu. Oh you. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 19, 2018 20:41:32 GMT
Looks like it.
Not surprised that a low budget play it safe film made a profit.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 21:02:48 GMT
Like Fox-men, Sony could only produce few good Spidermen movies and rest were mediocre. Both X-men and Spiderman need the MCU to revitalize the characters and make them great again. you have a low IQ and are very offensive to veteran Marvel fans not to mention the lie you tell. shall we check out the facts?
1. why will xmen need the mcu when mcu cant even make xmen movies? logan, dofp, deadpool? these movies are beyond the mcu jokey disney light formula for kids that are mcu.
2. why would spiderman need the mcu after the raimi movies? when mcu spiderman homecoming is perhaps the most childish movie along with ant man and gotg?
3. why would spiderman and xmen need the mcu when mcu are far from great to the point that mcu has damaged the comic genre? something spiderman and xmen in particular gave credibility too?
tell me how will mcu adapt E is fr extinction again? is that jokey like thor 3 or cgi no plot fest like infinity war?
you mcu bafoons never stop to make me laugh.
So scabab and Hauntedknight87 , are summers8's insults to me in violation of our new rules? I'm fine if they're allowed, and I'm perfectly fine if you don't get involved in this, but I'm about to respond to him in kind and I wanted to run this by you before I proceeded to verbally whoop his ass. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 19, 2018 21:05:14 GMT
No he isn't, so I'll be having a word with him.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 19, 2018 21:08:06 GMT
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 19, 2018 21:29:29 GMT
Actually, I don't know why so many people seem to think that profitability is only a factor of box office. Studios make money from movies in many ways including merchandising, home video, and TV/streaming rights. This income can continue for many years. So we have no way of knowing which one of these movies will be more profitable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 21:30:35 GMT
Like Fox-men, Sony could only produce few good Spidermen movies and rest were mediocre. Both X-men and Spiderman need the MCU to revitalize the characters and make them great again. you have a low IQ and are very offensive to veteran Marvel fans not to mention the lie you tell. shall we check out the facts?
1. why will xmen need the mcu when mcu cant even make xmen movies? logan, dofp, deadpool? these movies are beyond the mcu jokey disney light formula for kids that are mcu.
2. why would spiderman need the mcu after the raimi movies? when mcu spiderman homecoming is perhaps the most childish movie along with ant man and gotg?
3. why would spiderman and xmen need the mcu when mcu are far from great to the point that mcu has damaged the comic genre? something spiderman and xmen in particular gave credibility too?
tell me how will mcu adapt E is fr extinction again? is that jokey like thor 3 or cgi no plot fest like infinity war?
you mcu bafoons never stop to make me laugh.
I think Spiderman stopped needing the Sam Raimi movies after the second one, if we're being honest. I would have been content to leave it at Spiderman 2, which I personally thought was a cut above. It actually comes dangerously close to being a serious film for me, which is no easy feat considering the source material is unambiguously for kids.
I never saw the Andrew Garfield ones. No interest, so I've nothing bad or good to say about them. Spiderman 3 didn't reward me as a viewer, especially given tying up the Peter Parker/Mary Jane story.
Your uh, less than stellar insults regardless, I actually do agree that the X-Men don't need to be amalgamated into the Disney Marvel universe. I would have preferred their moves leave a better mark on me but what's done is done. It's probably iconic enough in the pop culture pantheon, particularly Hugh Jackman's Logan and Patrick Stewart's Xavier, Ian McCellan's Magneto and dare I even say Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique that rebooting the franchise under a new flag will take years, if it ever happens at all.
In case you're wondering, the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies (at least the first two) are better than the MCU Spiderman. At least in my opinion. Which kind of sucks because Tom Holland and Robert Downy Jr. have good chemistry. I almost wish they were doing their surrogate father-son routine in a different movie.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 21:34:31 GMT
Like Fox-men, Sony could only produce few good Spidermen movies and rest were mediocre. Both X-men and Spiderman need the MCU to revitalize the characters and make them great again. you have a low IQ and are very offensive to veteran Marvel fans not to mention the lie you tell. shall we check out the facts?
1. why will xmen need the mcu when mcu cant even make xmen movies? logan, dofp, deadpool? these movies are beyond the mcu jokey disney light formula for kids that are mcu.
2. why would spiderman need the mcu after the raimi movies? when mcu spiderman homecoming is perhaps the most childish movie along with ant man and gotg?
3. why would spiderman and xmen need the mcu when mcu are far from great to the point that mcu has damaged the comic genre? something spiderman and xmen in particular gave credibility too?
tell me how will mcu adapt E is fr extinction again? is that jokey like thor 3 or cgi no plot fest like infinity war?
you mcu bafoons never stop to make me laugh.
Actually, my IQ normally ranges from 138-143 depending on the IQ test. Not sure where you're from but in my part of the world that's generally not considered low. Anyway, since Scabs and Haunted already called you out on your behavior I guess I'll do my part and do away with the original snarky comments I had prepared for you. So with that said, here's me trying to debate your points in a decent manner. 1. MCU can't make X-men movies because they don't own the rights to make them. It's a pretty straightforward reason. 2. Sony only produced 2 good Spiderman movies out of 5. SMHC was the best Spiderman movie since Spiderman2, which proves that Sony was unable to replicate their previous Spiderman success without the help of the MCU. 3. This is all purely your opinion. The MCU is currently the most successful studio putting out superhero movies - that's a fact. Fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your opinion. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 19, 2018 21:37:03 GMT
you gave the answer yourself. Yes, box office wise it evidently is.
What a weird time we live in where a much anticipated Spider&Ironman-clobber-the-MCU entry is beaten by an obscure Spiderman solo villain movie made by Sony.
And then: not really. It's just the logic within a bubble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 22:22:28 GMT
Venom is killing it in China. I'm sure they were ready for something different than the typical of American superhero films.
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Post by dazz on Nov 20, 2018 3:15:43 GMT
Venom: budget $100m box office: $780m* Spider-Man Homecoming: budget $175m box office: $880m Depends on marketing cost, if Homecoming cost $100m to market but Venom cost $150m then maybe not, also you need to factor in where the film made money, now these numbers are not exact and if the films were distributed by different studios they may not hold up, but as it's Sony their distribution deals should remain the same.
But Venom supposedly needed to make $450 just to break even, on a $100m budget it says they spent quite a bit on marketing, Homecoming supposedly made $200m for the studio, so even if you give them the largest accepted split for revenue across the board it means Venom needs to reach $850m to be as profitable, and those splits are not that good, domestic numbers get just above 50% on average, International around 40% and China it really depends on who they are partnered with, sometimes the china box office is worth as little as 25% of the box office take.
Also Venom's budget is $100-116m not a concrete $100m.
But who cares its a financial hit for the studio either way now does this embolden Sony to think fuck it we can do Spider-Man ourselves? maybe or they maybe smart enough to simply use this as leverage in negotiating with Marvel, we don't know what they could get from Disney to keep this relationship going, for all we know Sony may use this as a way to license other properties from Disney, anyone doubting Disney will do an Aliens movie well maybe Sony negotiates themselves use of the Xenomorphs in exchange for continued Spidey presence in the MCU you just never know.
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