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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 19:00:24 GMT
So, good film making concept according to YOUR OPINION right? Do you have any factual, data-driven metrics that actually support your opinion that DOFP is better than all MCU movies? Because you know, I could simply say that at least 1/3 of MCU movies are better that DOFP based on good film making concept. And you know what? My opinion is worth more than your opinion. opinions based on film making facts.
you had my factual metrics.
story telling cast technicality depth themes director screenplay
dofp is stronger than all the mcu movies in this department. if you want more facts. please remember mcu movies are basic fun jokey movies for kids. DOFP is not. that alone make it better factually. also do remember mcu has a dofp movie. it is called age of ultron. since both stories are alike in the comics.
funny. why do people come to the opinions winter solider is the best mcu movie? why? because it was the only time mcu tried to do things a little bit more serious.
So you made metrics according to your own opinion... again. Great. You don't understand what words like "facts" and "metrics" are do you? How bout data? Do you understand what that is? Do you have any data to support your opinion?
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Post by bud47 on Nov 21, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
You'll have to excuse summers8. He has a hard time understanding the difference between opinions and facts. It's been an ongoing problem for him. Apparently, he's now trying to use the new ground rules here to imply and accuse people of lying, when really it's just a difference of opinion. He considers himself an expert on quality film-making and thinks that anyone that disagrees with him and his established set of "facts" is a liar and therefore, should be disciplined by the mods.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 21, 2018 20:47:26 GMT
That’s ironic. ‘Venom’ is believed to be a film that has been massively dumbed down. Also, you lost all your credibility by lumping ‘Wonder Woman’ with ‘Ghostbusters: Answer the Call’. venom was not dumbed down. homecoming was dumbed down. dont get it twisted. What in God's name was smart about Venom?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 21, 2018 21:15:26 GMT
venom was not dumbed down. homecoming was dumbed down. dont get it twisted. What in God's name was smart about Venom? Yeah, isn’t ‘Venom’ suspected to have been watered down to PG-13 by Sony?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 21, 2018 21:15:27 GMT
DOFP was just as forgettable, repetitious, and pretentious as all the other X-Men movies not named "Deadpool" or "Logan". That's a scientific fact
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 21:21:16 GMT
DOFP was just as forgettable, repetitious, and pretentious as all the other X-Men movies not named "Deadpool" or "Logan". That's a scientific fact period, end of story! (Just thought I would add little extra "gravitas" to withstand any counterattack, I got yer back!)
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 21, 2018 21:27:10 GMT
DOFP was just as forgettable, repetitious, and pretentious as all the other X-Men movies not named "Deadpool" or "Logan". That's a scientific fact What about it struck you as pretentious?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 21, 2018 21:41:31 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 21:41:58 GMT
DOFP was just as forgettable, repetitious, and pretentious as all the other X-Men movies not named "Deadpool" or "Logan". That's a scientific fact What about it struck you as pretentious? Get out of the way, 8 bit, can't you see it's slap each other with factually opinionated subjective analysis proven beyond a doubt day? We're workin' here!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 21, 2018 21:49:27 GMT
What about it struck you as pretentious? Get out of the way, 8 bit, can't you see it's slap each other with factually opinionated subjective analysis proven beyond a doubt day? We're workin' here!
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Post by charzhino on Nov 21, 2018 22:01:07 GMT
So which metric are you using to conclude that no MCU movie outclasses DOFP? Are you basing this all on your own opinion? based it on good film making concept. you know. story, acting and performances, visual effect (piratical effect), themes, depth, directing, screen play and impact. remember when DOFP came out and everyone called it the best comic drama since tdk? as said always poor winter solider, the one time mcu tried to do something serious and grown was easily outclassed by DOFP.
XMEN needs the mcu huh? be honest with yourself how can this be when mcu would never even have made DOFP? since DOFP will be seen as to dark, complex, serious and grown up for their brand.
with this new rules in place, maybe it is time for everyone to be more honest and truthful.
There is little use in talking about film concept with MCU fanatics, they dont understand the science behind it. These are the people who say guardian's of the galaxy has thematic depth, IW is a great screenplay, Civil War a masterpiece and black panther being an artistic film and supporting it for best oscar picture no less. You cant reason with people if they have those delusions
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 22:03:38 GMT
based it on good film making concept. you know. story, acting and performances, visual effect (piratical effect), themes, depth, directing, screen play and impact. remember when DOFP came out and everyone called it the best comic drama since tdk? as said always poor winter solider, the one time mcu tried to do something serious and grown was easily outclassed by DOFP.
XMEN needs the mcu huh? be honest with yourself how can this be when mcu would never even have made DOFP? since DOFP will be seen as to dark, complex, serious and grown up for their brand.
with this new rules in place, maybe it is time for everyone to be more honest and truthful.
There is little use in talking about film concept with MCU fanatics, they dont understand the science behind it. These are the people who say guardian's of the galaxy has thematic depth, IW is a great screenplay, Civil War a masterpiece and black panther being an artistic film and supporting it for best oscar picture no less. You cant reason with people if they have those delusions So me asking summers8 for metrics to support his conclusion somehow makes me an unreasonable fanatic?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 21, 2018 22:05:17 GMT
There is little use in talking about film concept with MCU fanatics, they dont understand the science behind it. These are the people who say guardian's of the galaxy has thematic depth, IW is a great screenplay, Civil War a masterpiece and black panther being an artistic film and supporting it for best oscar picture no less. You cant reason with people if they have those delusions So me asking summers8 for metrics to support his conclusion somehow makes me an unreasonable fanatic? It also makes you delusional apparently, don't forget that.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 21, 2018 22:06:43 GMT
There is little use in talking about film concept with MCU fanatics, they dont understand the science behind it. These are the people who say guardian's of the galaxy has thematic depth, IW is a great screenplay, Civil War a masterpiece and black panther being an artistic film and supporting it for best oscar picture no less. You cant reason with people if they have those delusions So me asking summers8 for metrics to support his conclusion somehow makes me an unreasonable fanatic? He gave you a list of the metrics.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 22:07:41 GMT
So me asking summers8 for metrics to support his conclusion somehow makes me an unreasonable fanatic? He gave you a list of the metrics. No, I asked him for factual metrics. Things that have actual measurable data to back up his argument. He gave me his opinionated criteria.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 21, 2018 22:13:13 GMT
He gave you a list of the metrics. No, I asked him for factual metrics. He gave me his opinionated criteria. No I told you metrics like rotten tomatoes critics are NOT reliable in this age of SJW mania and the general decline of cinema. And box office is not a meaningful figure either. Today, venom just outgrossed every Xmen movie ever released including Deadpool. Does that mean Venom is better than DOFP/Logan? Hell no, just shows dumbed down films usually get the most people watching them because they are easy to watch, like MCU flicks. The metrics Summers gave are what you should be judging films quality with, not biased critics and misleading box office figures.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 22:16:23 GMT
No, I asked him for factual metrics. He gave me his opinionated criteria. No I told you metrics like rotten tomatoes critics are NOT reliable in this age of SJW mania and the general decline of cinema. And box office is not a meaningful figure either. Today, venom just outgrossed every Xmen movie ever released including Deadpool. Does that mean Venom is better than DOFP/Logan? Hell no, just shows dumbed down films usually get the most people watching them because they are easy to watch, like MCU flicks. The metrics Summers gave are what you should be judging films quality with, not biased critics and misleading box office figures. Right. Because apparently your opinion is a better measure of a movie's success than a combination of high BO returns and favorable audience/critical reception. Sure dude, whatever you say.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 21, 2018 22:22:08 GMT
No I told you metrics like rotten tomatoes critics are NOT reliable in this age of SJW mania and the general decline of cinema. And box office is not a meaningful figure either. Today, venom just outgrossed every Xmen movie ever released including Deadpool. Does that mean Venom is better than DOFP/Logan? Hell no, just shows dumbed down films usually get the most people watching them because they are easy to watch, like MCU flicks. The metrics Summers gave are what you should be judging films quality with, not biased critics and misleading box office figures. Right. Because apparently your opinion is a better measure of a movie's success than a combination of high BO returns and favorable audience/critical reception. Sure dude, whatever you say. Opinion based on evidence. story telling cast technicality depth themes director screenplay Can all be analysed and materialised. Otherwise according to your logic, someone can say Howard the duck is a better made film than Shawshank Redemption.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 21, 2018 22:37:57 GMT
No, I asked him for factual metrics. He gave me his opinionated criteria. No I told you metrics like rotten tomatoes critics are NOT reliable in this age of SJW mania and the general decline of cinema. And box office is not a meaningful figure either. Today, venom just outgrossed every Xmen movie ever released including Deadpool. Does that mean Venom is better than DOFP/Logan? Hell no, just shows dumbed down films usually get the most people watching them because they are easy to watch, like MCU flicks. The metrics Summers gave are what you should be judging films quality with, not biased critics and misleading box office figures. So what were you telling others when ‘A Wrinkle in Time’ got pitiful reviews? I need to hear this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 22:42:05 GMT
Right. Because apparently your opinion is a better measure of a movie's success than a combination of high BO returns and favorable audience/critical reception. Sure dude, whatever you say. Opinion based on evidence. story telling cast technicality depth themes director screenplay Can all be analysed and materialised. Otherwise according to your logic, someone can say Howard the duck is a better made film than Shawshank Redemption. And all those things have been analysed and materialised, or have these terms been thrown out with the statement, "mines better than yours in these things".
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