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Post by Skaathar on Nov 20, 2018 18:26:41 GMT
Fact remains that the MCU is not only the most successful cbm franchise, they're possibly the most successful movie franchise overall. And they completely blow Sony and Fox out of the water when it comes to cbm dominance.Doesn't mean jack. Critics lost all credibility when they no MCU movie is considered rotten and when movies like WW, The Last Jedi, Ghostbusters 2016 and Black Panther get very high aggregates. Critics also started to realise people are abandoning traditional cinema and only going to MCU comic book movies to keep box office numbers afloat, which in turn is keeping critics in their overpaid jobs so they are more inclined to give positive reviews to not upset the status quo. Critics these days are not reliable. And money generated just means more casual part-time 'fans' are watching the movie because they are made for mass consumption like McDonalds so easy to digest. In a way I'm glad no Xmen movie has reached a billion because films that do are usually low on artistic integrity. Studios have to dumb films down if they want the biggest box office take from mass worldwide markets because the average cinema goer has a low film IQ. Doesn't mean jack? So you're saying a combination of successful box office and high critical and audience reception don't mean jack yet somehow your opinion does? I mean, you're free to enjoy whichever movie you want but we actually do have metrics in place to know which movies in general are more successful than others. And using every metric we have, the MCU is simply dominating the cbm market.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 20:43:46 GMT
Don't forget Venom, despite a huge box office success, is a really bad film. A BAD FILM LIKE INFINITY WAR??? Not really as Infinity War is a great film. According to many comic book fans it's one of the best CBMs.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 20, 2018 22:01:46 GMT
Don't forget Venom, despite a huge box office success, is a really bad film. A BAD FILM LIKE INFINITY WAR??? In no version of reality is Infinity War a bad film, Venom however is average at best and you'd have to have low expectations going in to rate it higher than a 5 out of 10.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 20, 2018 22:02:57 GMT
just facts.
no one buys spidey as a avenger and tony fan boy.
But Spider-Man is an Avenger and does idolize Tony Stark in the comics, so...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 20, 2018 22:08:27 GMT
That’s ironic. ‘Venom’ is believed to be a film that has been massively dumbed down. Also, you lost all your credibility by lumping ‘Wonder Woman’ with ‘Ghostbusters: Answer the Call’. Which is why films like Venom and Suicide Squad made so much. Both Wonder Woman and Ghostbusters 2016 reviews are artificially boosted by their feminist subversion to the genre and critics lapped it up. Ghostbusters 2016 yes an argument can be made about critical bias there, Wonder Woman not so much - it actually had a plot that was exciting and engaging and which could be enjoyed by most people instead of pandering to one type of demo with constant political dribble. Not to suggest there were no SJW-isms to be found, but they were few and quite subtle/more open to interpretation than how Ghostbusters went about it.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 20, 2018 23:01:43 GMT
Which is why films like Venom and Suicide Squad made so much. Both Wonder Woman and Ghostbusters 2016 reviews are artificially boosted by their feminist subversion to the genre and critics lapped it up. Ghostbusters 2016 yes an argument can be made about critical bias there, Wonder Woman not so much - it actually had a plot that was exciting and engaging and which could be enjoyed by most people instead of pandering to one type of demo with constant political dribble. Not to suggest there were no SJW-isms to be found, but they were few and quite subtle/more open to interpretation than how Ghostbusters went about it. Also, a more likely possibility is that Sony created such a hostile environment for a negative review for ‘Ghostbusters: Answer the Call’ to exist. As a matter of fact, many people noticed that Sony was deleting “sensible” negative comments on trailers posted on YouTube and only left misogynic blabberings.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 21, 2018 5:08:30 GMT
fant4stic is better than venom
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 21, 2018 17:12:50 GMT
like x-men, spiderman never needed the mcu. he is stronger as an IP when he is not in the mcu. X-Men desperately needs Disney. After that screenplay Oscar nom? Not really.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 21, 2018 17:15:11 GMT
‘Spider-Man 3’ suffered from too many storylines. ‘The Amazing Spider-Man’ suffered from a lame villain. ‘The Amazing Spider-Man 2’ suffered from too many storylines AND lame villains. You were saying? Don't forget Venom, despite a huge box office success, is a really bad film. The general audience doesn’t see it that way.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 18:06:31 GMT
X-Men desperately needs Disney. After that screenplay Oscar nom? Not really. Nah, X-men does need the MCU to handle it. Otherwise we'll never get consistently good movies of them.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 21, 2018 18:08:44 GMT
After that screenplay Oscar nom? Not really. Nah, X-men does need the MCU to handle it. Otherwise we'll never get consistently good movies of them. I wouldn’t say films like Incredible Hulk were good.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 21, 2018 18:19:49 GMT
After that screenplay Oscar nom? Not really. Nah, X-men does need the MCU to handle it. Otherwise we'll never get consistently good movies of them. dont forget how the best mcu movie could not even outclass DOFP that is what? 3rd best xmen films for some?
lol..xmen needs the mcu? is this the same mcu that could not even adapt xmen version of the ultron and prejudice story in an intellectual way?
as said, good thing mcu got xmen when the genre has been too destroyed.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 18:20:06 GMT
Nah, X-men does need the MCU to handle it. Otherwise we'll never get consistently good movies of them. I wouldn’t say films like Incredible Hulk were good. It's not great but it's still generally considered better than X3, X-men Origins and Apocalypse.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 21, 2018 18:21:36 GMT
Doesn't mean jack. Critics lost all credibility when they no MCU movie is considered rotten and when movies like WW, The Last Jedi, Ghostbusters 2016 and Black Panther get very high aggregates. Critics also started to realise people are abandoning traditional cinema and only going to MCU comic book movies to keep box office numbers afloat, which in turn is keeping critics in their overpaid jobs so they are more inclined to give positive reviews to not upset the status quo. Critics these days are not reliable. And money generated just means more casual part-time 'fans' are watching the movie because they are made for mass consumption like McDonalds so easy to digest. In a way I'm glad no Xmen movie has reached a billion because films that do are usually low on artistic integrity. Studios have to dumb films down if they want the biggest box office take from mass worldwide markets because the average cinema goer has a low film IQ. That’s ironic. ‘Venom’ is believed to be a film that has been massively dumbed down. Also, you lost all your credibility by lumping ‘Wonder Woman’ with ‘Ghostbusters: Answer the Call’. venom was not dumbed down. homecoming was dumbed down. dont get it twisted.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 18:25:59 GMT
Nah, X-men does need the MCU to handle it. Otherwise we'll never get consistently good movies of them. dont forget how the best mcu movie could not even outclass DOFP that is what? 3rd best xmen films for some?
lol..xmen needs the mcu? is this the same mcu that could not even adapt xmen version of the ultron and prejudice story in an intellectual way?
as said, good thing mcu got xmen when the genre has been too destroyed.
So which metric are you using to conclude that no MCU movie outclasses DOFP? Are you basing this all on your own opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 18:31:09 GMT
dont forget how the best mcu movie could not even outclass DOFP that is what? 3rd best xmen films for some?
lol..xmen needs the mcu? is this the same mcu that could not even adapt xmen version of the ultron and prejudice story in an intellectual way?
as said, good thing mcu got xmen when the genre has been too destroyed.
So which metric are you using to conclude that no MCU movie outclasses DOFP? Are you basing this all on your own opinion? Hey now, there's something to be said for scientifically pulling an opinion out of your butt. Not sure what it is, but he will say something about it I'm sure.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 21, 2018 18:36:28 GMT
dont forget how the best mcu movie could not even outclass DOFP that is what? 3rd best xmen films for some?
lol..xmen needs the mcu? is this the same mcu that could not even adapt xmen version of the ultron and prejudice story in an intellectual way?
as said, good thing mcu got xmen when the genre has been too destroyed.
So which metric are you using to conclude that no MCU movie outclasses DOFP? Are you basing this all on your own opinion? based it on good film making concept. you know. story, acting and performances, visual effect (piratical effect), themes, depth, directing, screen play and impact. remember when DOFP came out and everyone called it the best comic drama since tdk? as said always poor winter solider, the one time mcu tried to do something serious and grown was easily outclassed by DOFP.
XMEN needs the mcu huh? be honest with yourself how can this be when mcu would never even have made DOFP? since DOFP will be seen as to dark, complex, serious and grown up for their brand.
with this new rules in place, maybe it is time for everyone to be more honest and truthful.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 21, 2018 18:43:55 GMT
So which metric are you using to conclude that no MCU movie outclasses DOFP? Are you basing this all on your own opinion? based it on good film making concept. you know. story, acting and performances, visual effect (piratical effect), themes, depth, directing, screen play and impact. remember when DOFP came out and everyone called it the best comic drama since tdk? as said always poor winter solider, the one time mcu tried to do something serious and grown was easily outclassed by DOFP.
XMEN needs the mcu huh? be honest with yourself how can this be when mcu would never even have made DOFP? since DOFP will be seen as to dark, complex, serious and grown up for their brand.
with this new rules in place, maybe it is time for everyone to be more honest and truthful.
So, good film making concept according to YOUR OPINION right? Do you have any factual, data-driven metrics that actually support your opinion that DOFP is better than all MCU movies? Because you know, I could simply say that at least 1/3 of MCU movies are better that DOFP based on good film making concept. And you know what? My opinion is worth more than your opinion.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 21, 2018 18:54:12 GMT
based it on good film making concept. you know. story, acting and performances, visual effect (piratical effect), themes, depth, directing, screen play and impact. remember when DOFP came out and everyone called it the best comic drama since tdk? as said always poor winter solider, the one time mcu tried to do something serious and grown was easily outclassed by DOFP.
XMEN needs the mcu huh? be honest with yourself how can this be when mcu would never even have made DOFP? since DOFP will be seen as to dark, complex, serious and grown up for their brand.
with this new rules in place, maybe it is time for everyone to be more honest and truthful.
So, good film making concept according to YOUR OPINION right? Do you have any factual, data-driven metrics that actually support your opinion that DOFP is better than all MCU movies? Because you know, I could simply say that at least 1/3 of MCU movies are better that DOFP based on good film making concept. And you know what? My opinion is worth more than your opinion. opinions based on film making facts.
you had my factual metrics.
story telling cast technicality depth themes director screenplay
dofp is stronger than all the mcu movies in this department. if you want more facts. please remember mcu movies are basic fun jokey movies for kids. DOFP is not. that alone make it better factually. also do remember mcu has a dofp movie. it is called age of ultron. since both stories are alike in the comics.
funny. why do people come to the opinions winter solider is the best mcu movie? why? because it was the only time mcu tried to do things a little bit more serious.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 21, 2018 18:58:01 GMT
Venom: budget $100m box office: $780m* Spider-Man Homecoming: budget $175m box office: $880m OH! I didn't realize that. It may be!
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