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Post by NormanClature on Dec 23, 2018 23:31:50 GMT
Speaking of hypocrisy, all you anti-Marvel guys complain about Marvel movies being too flashy, too silly etc. But when DC does it it's a masterpiece.EXACTLY! I find it endlessly amusing yet totally pathetic, both at the same time.  |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 23, 2018 23:59:39 GMT
Speaking of hypocrisy, all you anti-Marvel guys complain about Marvel movies being too flashy, too silly etc. But when DC does it it's a masterpiece.EXACTLY! I find it endlessly amusing yet pathetic at the same time. hey, I would not dare to disturb you shifting your straw men, Norm. But that argument falls flat as one could simply say in reverse: Y ou anti-DC guys endlessly hailed your countless flashy, silly MCU movies as masterpieces and passionately pissed on gritty, DC drama movies. But now when DC does one single flashy and silly movie you whine salty rivers.
Also, I always thought the main criticism of MCU looks was that the movies fall chromatically flat with a formulaic greyscale color grading….? (personally never cared about that) And the other one was that they are formulaic and childish…? (so true) But if you feel like a victim again, pls point out on the Aquaman doll where the evil DC fanboys touched you.   |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 24, 2018 0:09:58 GMT
Ok so I finally watched it... and I don't get the hate. This was a good movie, at least as far as cbms are concerned. Nothing great but I consider it better than Dr. Strange and stuff.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 24, 2018 2:49:30 GMT
Speaking of hypocrisy, all you anti-Marvel guys complain about Marvel movies being too flashy, too silly etc. But when DC does it it's a masterpiece.EXACTLY! I find it endlessly amusing yet pathetic at the same time. hey, I would not dare to disturb you shifting your straw men, Norm. But that argument falls flat as one could simply say in reverse: Y ou anti-DC guys endlessly hailed your countless flashy, silly MCU movies as masterpieces and passionately pissed on gritty, DC drama movies. But now when DC does one single flashy and silly movie you whine salty rivers.
Also, I always thought the main criticism of MCU looks was that the movies fall chromatically flat with a formulaic greyscale color grading….? (personally never cared about that) And the other one was that they are formulaic and childish…? (so true) But if you feel like a victim again, pls point out on the Aquaman doll where the evil DC fanboys touched you. I've heard both criticisms of Marvel Studio movies. Some say way to colorful and others say bland blotchy ugly color grading. I guess with 19 movies you could have problem with both. One of the problem I have with Snyder as a whole is his muted color palette. (worse in Sucker Punch where making the real world grey makes sense, the 1st dream world or the second dream inside a dream world should've been hyper colored, IMHO. The closest we get to that is in the 1st dream world it's basically 'normal' color graded, but should've been hyper) I haven't really had a complaint with most MCU movies look. Seems it's bright when it should be and darker when it should be. As for the gritty look and fell I'm all for it if the it fits the plot/story. The reverse is true too. If the story/plot calls for hyper-color I'm all for it. Muted/Gritty is perfect for say Watchmen (or parts of Sucker Punch) I think it was misued in MoS and BvS, but that's just me. It worked for WW in WW1 London/Europe and is juxtaposed nicely vs Themyscira. Same with X1 should've been gritty feel considering how it starts. I think as the movies went on being more colorful/flashy would've helped. (save for the Future Dsytopian Scenes in DoFP and DP2. Although I think my only complaint about First Class would be for it to embrace more 60's funk. ) Here with Aquaman the flash suits the story and fantastical location. I think the only thing I would've changed is make the Fishing Village and Light house more drab and dark. Especially after Queen Atlanna left, the memories/flashback should've had the bright light of nostalgia. Present should've been felt more hostile and dark. It's a small complaint, but I think it would've worked better. I know you probably didn't mean Gritty in the actual sense it just got me thinking. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 24, 2018 3:54:09 GMT
Ok so I finally watched it... and I don't get the hate. This was a good movie, at least as far as cbms are concerned. Nothing great but I consider it better than Dr. Strange and stuff. Right? I'd compare it to Thor: Ragnarok myself. It has that same gonzo energy and imagination to it. It makes me wish James Wan directed Justice League instead of either Whedon or Snyder. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 24, 2018 4:05:47 GMT
Ok so I finally watched it... and I don't get the hate. This was a good movie, at least as far as cbms are concerned. Nothing great but I consider it better than Dr. Strange and stuff. Right? I'd compare it to Thor: Ragnarok myself. It has that same gonzo energy and imagination to it. It makes me wish James Wan directed Justice League instead of either Whedon or Snyder. I'd still put Ragnarok ahead of it. Just way better pacing and more interesting characters in general. But I will put it above the first Thor movie and GotG2. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 24, 2018 4:15:21 GMT
Right? I'd compare it to Thor: Ragnarok myself. It has that same gonzo energy and imagination to it. It makes me wish James Wan directed Justice League instead of either Whedon or Snyder. I'd still put Ragnarok ahead of it. Just way better pacing and more interesting characters in general. But I will put it above the first Thor movie and GotG2. I'd probably rank it above a lot of the middle tier entries like yeah, Guardians 2, the Iron Man sequels or Thor: Dark World, and both Ant-Man movies. And I'll be honest, just the sheer size of that final battle and the build up alone when Orm starts attacking those crab people and Aquaman shows up with his own Kraken plus a tamed Trench army at his disposal , I found myself enjoying it more than Infinity War. |
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 24, 2018 6:35:56 GMT
Speaking of hypocrisy, all you anti-Marvel guys complain about Marvel movies being too flashy, too silly etc. But when DC does it it's a masterpiece.EXACTLY! I find it endlessly amusing yet pathetic at the same time. hey, I would not dare to disturb you shifting your straw men, Norm. But that argument falls flat as one could simply say in reverse: Y ou anti-DC guys endlessly hailed your countless flashy, silly MCU movies as masterpieces and passionately pissed on gritty, DC drama movies. But now when DC does one single flashy and silly movie you whine salty rivers.
Also, I always thought the main criticism of MCU looks was that the movies fall chromatically flat with a formulaic greyscale color grading….? (personally never cared about that) And the other one was that they are formulaic and childish…? (so true) But if you feel like a victim again, pls point out on the Aquaman doll where the evil DC fanboys touched you. When will you finally face up to the truth that not everyone is a biased fanboy like you? 
The fact that I like maybe half a dozen MCU movies and zero DCU movies doesn't make me a biased deluded fanboy with my head buried in the sand like you  . It means I like good movies and dislike shitty ones  . Who'd o' funk it??? 
Let's take the most DCU friendly of the MCU movies - TWS. Tell all the readers how Aquaman is a better movies than TWS. I'm sure it won't make you look in any way ridiculous or biased. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 24, 2018 14:06:57 GMT
hey, I would not dare to disturb you shifting your straw men, Norm. But that argument falls flat as one could simply say in reverse: Y ou anti-DC guys endlessly hailed your countless flashy, silly MCU movies as masterpieces and passionately pissed on gritty, DC drama movies. But now when DC does one single flashy and silly movie you whine salty rivers.
Also, I always thought the main criticism of MCU looks was that the movies fall chromatically flat with a formulaic greyscale color grading….? (personally never cared about that) And the other one was that they are formulaic and childish…? (so true) But if you feel like a victim again, pls point out on the Aquaman doll where the evil DC fanboys touched you. When will you finally face up to the truth that not everyone is a biased fanboy like you? The fact that I like maybe half a dozen MCU movies and zero DCU movies doesn't make me a biased deluded fanboy with my head buried in the sand like you . It means I like good movies and dislike shitty ones . Who'd o' funk it??? Tell it to the Aquaman doll! And begone, troll! I shall not derail this thread with your pointless fanboy comparisons. Your trollish defiance just strengthens my unwavering compliance. Just kidding, Mods and Admin are after me 24/7, pal. Just two strikes and I'm a goner, a dead man. Don't tell King Kong or any of the MCU trolls please. But into medias res: First thank you for sparing me having to discuss that juvenile, tone deaf bastardization called Thor:Fragglerock again. TWS is more like it! It may be the best MCU film next to Avengers. But why your random wish to compare these two? They have nothing much in common? But let's see what I can do for you, Norm: I do not think either movie is "better" as both films have pros and cons. TWS: TWS's plot is largely a rip-off of essentioal Star Wars plot points: beginning with infiltration/order 66 of Jedi-Shield Order, Mace Fury (Sam Jackson) is assassinated, heroes go underground to strike back, Palpatine-Redford reveals himself, Masked Winter-Vader leader is revealed to be former friend brainwashed by Sith-Hydra, hero fights for redemption of Winter-Vader from the dark side, he comes back etc (see my thread on this). As a SW fan I like that story. But it's kind of a glib MCU facsimile without real stakes here: Mace Fury does not really die in TWS (formula won't allow), people at Shield survive...nobody really dies despite the serious tone. That's pretentious. Also, Bucky is no Vader, looks like my little brother in costume (lol). Also, the Hydra story goes nowhere, in Cap3 (which is an Avengers1.5 film) they have suddenly vanished - but that is bad MCU worldbuilding and not the fault of TWS. Still, the action sequences in TWS were solid, especially during Order 66, and the tone is much more suspenseful and action orientated than in you usual MCU movie (it's closer to Snyder DCEU movies). Not that much CGI here, which is good for this type of action film. I do not remember one raccoon turd except maybe the fake deaths and stake-less MCU formula prevailing, but: no ape grunt, sensitive nipple or hide-the-zucchini dialogue. Aquaman I have extensively discussed in my Aquathread, it's derivative a screenplay too: it's essentially the King Arthur myth (Arthur!) blended with the MoS structure and some mythology. But all cooked up to be a fun, corny 80s action adventure with all pros and cons this entails. The unique/novel selling point here is visionary cinematography and especially the extensive underwater world building (never done before). Also, the great action set pieces and beautiful score. Neither of the films have deep messages, they are action films for kids, one about become a leader and ocean pollution, the other about evil organization taking over and the redemption of a friend from the dark side. Characters: Aqua and Cap are hard to compare as leads: Cap in his 2 films is from the start a good-guy without a proper character arc who gets a magic potion to become BEEFCAKE!!! Similar, in TWS he is more of a PoV-lead reacting to a flawed new world rather than being a flawed character with an arc, his mission is simply to save his friends and do the right thing/fight the good old fight - US-patriotic WWII nostalgia incarnate (down to the costume). Aqua is shallow too, he has a taking- responsibility/becoming-a-leader arc and undergoes a showing-leniency change, but he's essentially the nice tough-guy next door type. Rating: I think back then I rated TWS 7/10. Aqua I would now rate after seeing it 3 times at 7/10 too (I do not share your double standards and actually watch movies properly before criticizing them). Which one is better? Up to your personal preferences. Cherio, chapio.  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 24, 2018 16:48:39 GMT
Ok so I finally watched it... and I don't get the hate. This was a good movie, at least as far as cbms are concerned. Nothing great but I consider it better than Dr. Strange and stuff. Right? I'd compare it to Thor: Ragnarok myself. It has that same gonzo energy and imagination to it. It makes me wish James Wan directed Justice League instead of either Whedon or Snyder. The difference to me is that Ragnarok knew when it was being ridiculous. It spent most of its time making fun of itself. Aquaman seems to genuinely think it's clever.
Aquaman does some amazing stuff visually, and Mamoa is a charismatic lead. Those concepts worked. I really thought they had figured it out, judging by the trailers. But the humor was stale and the writing was incredibly lazy.
The worst part is the fanboys losing their minds. One thing I got a kick out of was the octopus drummer. Hilarious, inventive stuff. Put that in Ragnarok or Guardians and these same guys would be bitching about it until the end of time, but here of course it's genius filmmaking. And yes I'm aware the same can be said for some of the idiot Marvel fanboys on this site. That doesn't make their own hypocrisy acceptable.
I need to make one thing clear here. I'm not a DC hater. Batman Begins and TDK are two of the best CBMs ever made. As for the DCEU, Wonder Woman is dragged down by a subpar third act but it's still a fantastic flick. I saw BvS twice in theaters because there were elements that I truly enjoyed even if it was a mess as a whole. I'm not a DC hater. I could've skipped Aquaman entirely, as I skipped Sony's Venom because it looked like shit. I go to these movies because I want to enjoy them, but Aquaman was a bust for me.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 24, 2018 16:51:25 GMT
Right? I'd compare it to Thor: Ragnarok myself. It has that same gonzo energy and imagination to it. It makes me wish James Wan directed Justice League instead of either Whedon or Snyder. The difference to me is that Ragnarok knew when it was being ridiculous. It spent most of its time making fun of itself. Aquaman seems to genuinely think it's clever.
Aquaman does some amazing stuff visually, and Mamoa is a charismatic lead. Those concepts worked. I really thought they had figured it out, judging by the trailers. But the humor was stale and the writing was incredibly lazy.
The worst part is the fanboys losing their minds. One thing I got a kick out of was the octopus drummer. Hilarious, inventive stuff. Put that in Ragnarok or Guardians and these same guys would be bitching about it until the end of time, but here of course it's genius filmmaking. And yes I'm aware the same can be said for some of the idiot Marvel fanboys on this site. That doesn't make their own hypocrisy acceptable.
I need to make one thing clear here. I'm not a DC hater. Batman Begins and TDK are two of the best CBMs ever made. As for the DCEU, Wonder Woman is dragged down by a subpar third act but it's still a fantastic flick. I saw BvS twice in theaters because there were elements that I truly enjoyed even if it was a mess as a whole. I'm not a DC hater. I could've skipped Aquaman entirely, as I skipped Sony's Venom because it looked like shit. I go to these movies because I want to enjoy them, but Aquaman was a bust for me.
I didn't get that experience from it. Sure there's trailer lines thrown into the mix but nothing was enough to take me out of the experience. You saw BVS twice in theaters? More power to you then. |
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 24, 2018 20:26:09 GMT
When will you finally face up to the truth that not everyone is a biased fanboy like you? The fact that I like maybe half a dozen MCU movies and zero DCU movies doesn't make me a biased deluded fanboy with my head buried in the sand like you . It means I like good movies and dislike shitty ones . Who'd o' funk it??? Tell it to the Aquaman doll! And begone, troll! I shall not derail this thread with your pointless fanboy comparisons. Your trollish defiance just strengthens my unwavering compliance. Just kidding, Mods and Admin are after me 24/7, pal. Just two strikes and I'm a goner, a dead man. Don't tell King Kong or any of the MCU trolls please. But into medias res: First thank you for sparing me having to discuss that juvenile, tone deaf bastardization called Thor:Fragglerock again. TWS is more like it! It may be the best MCU film next to Avengers. But why your random wish to compare these two? They have nothing much in common? But let's see what I can do for you, Norm: I do not think either movie is "better" as both films have pros and cons. TWS: TWS's plot is largely a rip-off of essentioal Star Wars plot points: beginning with infiltration/order 66 of Jedi-Shield Order, Mace Fury (Sam Jackson) is assassinated, heroes go underground to strike back, Palpatine-Redford reveals himself, Masked Winter-Vader leader is revealed to be former friend brainwashed by Sith-Hydra, hero fights for redemption of Winter-Vader from the dark side, he comes back etc (see my thread on this). As a SW fan I like that story. But it's kind of a glib MCU facsimile without real stakes here: Mace Fury does not really die in TWS (formula won't allow), people at Shield survive...nobody really dies despite the serious tone. That's pretentious. Also, Bucky is no Vader, looks like my little brother in costume (lol). Also, the Hydra story goes nowhere, in Cap3 (which is an Avengers1.5 film) they have suddenly vanished - but that is bad MCU worldbuilding and not the fault of TWS. Still, the action sequences in TWS were solid, especially during Order 66, and the tone is much more suspenseful and action orientated than in you usual MCU movie (it's closer to Snyder DCEU movies). Not that much CGI here, which is good for this type of action film. I do not remember one raccoon turd except maybe the fake deaths and stake-less MCU formula prevailing, but: no ape grunt, sensitive nipple or hide-the-zucchini dialogue. Aquaman I have extensively discussed in my Aquathread, it's derivative a screenplay too: it's essentially the King Arthur myth (Arthur!) blended with the MoS structure and some mythology. But all cooked up to be a fun, corny 80s action adventure with all pros and cons this entails. The unique/novel selling point here is visionary cinematography and especially the extensive underwater world building (never done before). Also, the great action set pieces and beautiful score. Neither of the films have deep messages, they are action films for kids, one about become a leader and ocean pollution, the other about evil organization taking over and the redemption of a friend from the dark side. Characters: Aqua and Cap are hard to compare as leads: Cap in his 2 films is from the start a good-guy without a proper character arc who gets a magic potion to become BEEFCAKE!!! Similar, in TWS he is more of a PoV-lead reacting to a flawed new world rather than being a flawed character with an arc, his mission is simply to save his friends and do the right thing/fight the good old fight - US-patriotic WWII nostalgia incarnate (down to the costume). Aqua is shallow too, he has a taking- responsibility/becoming-a-leader arc and undergoes a showing-leniency change, but he's essentially the nice tough-guy next door type. Rating: I think back then I rated TWS 7/10. Aqua I would now rate after seeing it 3 times at 7/10 too (I do not share your double standards and actually watch movies properly before criticizing them). Which one is better? Up to your personal preferences. Cherio, chapio. Soz, bro, I don't have the time to read all of that at the moment. I do feel it's worth pointing out that you rated Aquaman a "near masterpiece." I don't think I have ever heard you say the same thing about TWS. It seems like you are pretend lowering your opinion of Aquaman to avoid looking any more biased than you already do.
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Post by sostie on Dec 24, 2018 20:33:08 GMT
Have yet to see the film, so can't judge it on it's content. However, I am a bit wary of films whose advertising campaign consists of quoting two word tweets from people I've never heard of
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 24, 2018 23:00:14 GMT
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Post by charzhino on Dec 24, 2018 23:24:47 GMT
Which idiot critic said this is the best DC film since TDK??
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 25, 2018 2:16:23 GMT
Thank you for straightening me out??? (when the fuck did I write that?!) |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 25, 2018 2:44:52 GMT
Which idiot critic said this is the best DC film since TDK?? To be fair, I liked it more than MOS and rate just a tad under WW. So... not that far off from "best since TDK". |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 25, 2018 2:51:28 GMT
Which idiot critic said this is the best DC film since TDK?? To be fair, I liked it more than MOS and rate just a tad under WW. So... not that far off from "best since TDK". I still like WW a bit better as well. This may edge out MoS as my second favorite but still weighing that. |
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Post by sostie on Jan 25, 2019 1:41:45 GMT
Finally saw it over the weekend. Might be my favourite DCEU film. Pretty looking, dumb fun. A few observations Patrick Wilson really did not look like Patrick Wilson...at times I thought Julian Sands had been given a career boost Some of the designs looked like the makers had scanned through some Warhammer catalogues The Sahara was still an Ocean at the time of the Roman Empire! Really? Sometimes forgot it was set underwater, which made it odd seeing people floating about for no reason. Kudos for having a Depeche Mode track on the soundtrack. Minus points for the shitty Africa cover (an establishing shot that seemed lifted from a Fast & Furious film) Dolph Lundgren was great. Amber Heard reminded me of Scarlett Johansson. Her hair was nice as well And couple of question for DC-Fan If Vibranium made the Wakandians, a technologically advanced nation, barbaric because they followed a medieval tradition of royal succession by bloodshed and mortal combat, what was the Atlanteans excuse? If Black Panther was called that by the MCU to apparentley emphasise his race, did DCEU do the same with Black Manta? |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 25, 2019 2:38:26 GMT
It's weird they stuck with Pitbull. Virtually no one liked it anyway, I didn't like it. However, I think something that might had made it more digestible was if it was played for comedy. Like it's a packed tourist spot full of beach combers with that song playing, and then Arthur and Mera casually stroll out of the water, shocking everyone.
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