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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 22, 2019 17:33:40 GMT
On a more positive note, this thread will probably sustain my life force for centuries (I'm powered by suffering). Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:45 AM ET, Cosmic Man is born... I declare all other forms of life... obsolete.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 22, 2019 17:35:05 GMT
I could reiterate others statement's to the fact that Oscar's mean dick all.
I could argue the loop-hole to which the Academy nominated Black Panther if you wish.
The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS),give out technical and artistic awards to recognize excellence in cinematic achievements as assessed by the Academy's voting membership.
That's from the Academy themselves. While the individual statues are called statues of merit, the purpose of the awards are to recognize excellence in cinematic achievements. That's awfully vague. And it has to be calling one piece of art best of that year is kind of an Insult to Art. So they soften the blow of Best Picture with the fact that the award is for excellence in cinematic achievement.
And at worst what is the Academy celebrating here. Are they celebrating the overall acting, craft, direction, etc I would argue no. What they are honoring is the achievement that Black Panther was the first movie that broke through one of the last barriers left in Hollywood. A movie written and directed by a Black man with mostly black cast became one of the most successful movies of all time. It wasn't the first black led superhero movie. It wasn't the first black directed/written/ and led superhero movie. That would be Meteorman. It was the first black led, directed, written movie that was not just successful but hugely so.
Just like how Assholes like Ike Pelmutter can't point to female led superheros and say they don't work, because of Wonder Woman. They can't say that black directed/led superheros don't work. That's not a small thing. That is an a cinematic achievement. Is it the one usually heralded by the Academy? Fuck no. It's not nothing though. Did I want/think Black Panther should be the first super hero movie to get it? Eh no, but in a perfect world I'd say the Oscars/Award shows shouldn't exist.
I started to get disillusioned with art shows back when I won best in show in 12th grade back in the mid 1990's for a drawing I didn't care about that I literally spent 5 hours on. When there were better works in the show. My subject was the only reason I won. I played to the people I knew who were going to judge.
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Post by havenless on Jan 22, 2019 18:33:35 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole:
Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 22, 2019 18:49:13 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. what does it mean to the genre really?
does the genre now need to have and all black cast and race bait to get oscars or be made by disney that own hollywood?
do you know what it means to the genre? truthfully? the genre has zero credibility left. since the world is laughing right now because they know its a scam.
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Post by sostie on Jan 22, 2019 18:49:24 GMT
Seriously though, those two blank nominations are going to cause such a fucking uproar between fanatics. It’s going to be the biggest argument for why Black Panther “deserved” it’s place. Because the Academy couldn’t even “come up” with two more. What a shitshow of debate this is going to cause lol. There is a reason. The basics are....The 7000+ members of the academy list 5 films they wish to be nominated. Any film that gets a top choice vote from 5% of the overall votes gets a nomination. The maximum number of nominations is 10, the minimum is 5. Looks like only 8 films reached the 5% figure this year. The detailed explanaition is here
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Post by havenless on Jan 22, 2019 18:53:45 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. what does it mean to the genre really?
does the genre now need to have and all black cast and race bait to get oscars or be made by disney that own hollywood?
do you know what it means to the genre? truthfully? the genre has zero credibility left. since the world is laughing right now because they know its a scam.
Lots of movies have black people. Even superhero movies. Only this one was nominated. If it didn’t have black people you wouldn’t have an argument to make. You’re basing your argument on racism.
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Post by sostie on Jan 22, 2019 19:04:57 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. what does it mean to the genre really?
does the genre now need to have and all black cast and race bait to get oscars or be made by disney that own hollywood?
do you know what it means to the genre? truthfully? the genre has zero credibility left. since the world is laughing right now because they know its a scam.
It has zero credibility, and was nominated for the reasons you give because basically, and correct me if I'm wrong, you didn't like it that much and there have been "better" films that didn't get nominated but deserved to. On the former point...tough titty. On the latter point it has no relevance. BP isn't as good as Logan for instance, but so what. Logan wasn't released over the last year, it competed against different films, it had a different audience and was seen by more people...the is no comparison other than the characters in both appeared in a comic strip. Oh and are black. It rather sad that someone has to resort to blaming "PC" attitudes and conspiracy theories to discredit a film that is part of a franchise you don't like. More ridiculous than 5% of 7000 individuals thought it was ONE of the best films of the year? Nah, it's easier to make shit up innit?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 22, 2019 19:05:57 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. This is a really bad day for the CBM industry. What it means for the CBM genre is that you can make a great movie but if you don't have a mostly black cast and you don't make your movie all about racism, then you won't get nominated for an Oscar. The Academy has just sent a message to all CBMs that the only way a CBM can get nominated for an Oscar is to have a mostly black cast and make the movie all about racism.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 22, 2019 19:07:39 GMT
This is a really good day. No its not. Go through all the social media reactions to black panthers nomination. People are mocking the nomination, called black panther overrated, medoicre and undeserving. Its a black day for the comic book movie genre
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 22, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
This is a really good day. No its not. Go through all the social media reactions to black panthers nomination. People are mocking the nomination, called black panther overrated, medoicre and undeserving. Its a black day for the comic book movie genre charzhino I'm considering self-deleting from reality. Can you give me a few pointers on exactly which moment to do so? I can't stand all of this "melodrama" and, I wish to avoid the "discourse." Save me.
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Post by havenless on Jan 22, 2019 19:14:26 GMT
This is a really good day. No its not. Go through all the social media reactions to black panthers nomination. People are mocking the nomination, called black panther overrated, medoicre and undeserving. Its a black day for the comic book movie genre The only difference there is the most of the other movies that get nominated every year don’t have a big enough following to even register on social media. Everyone here is talking about how they hate that it has black people in it, but no one is acknowledging relativity. Relative to the other movies selected and the options left out, it’s not a bad selection. Not a great year for Oscar bait movies. Relative to recent oscar shows, it isn’t even close to the worst nominated movie. But it’s way more famous and twitter has a lot of racists, so it’s a perfectly melting pot of hate. Relativity is all that really matters here. Was the Favourite way better than Black Panther? No, it’s wasnt. Was Vice? Not really. But they got nominated too. Show me all their Twitter hate and I’ll give your stance credence.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 22, 2019 19:23:13 GMT
Congratulations to Black Panther on its nomination for best picture, and other Oscars.
Wakanda forever! LOL!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 22, 2019 19:23:14 GMT
No its not. Go through all the social media reactions to black panthers nomination. People are mocking the nomination, called black panther overrated, medoicre and undeserving. Its a black day for the comic book movie genre The only difference there is the most of the other movies that get nominated every year don’t have a big enough following to even register on social media. Everyone here is talking about how they hate that is has black people in it, but no one is acknowledging relativity. Relative tot he other movies selected at the options left out, it’s not a bad selection. Not a great year for Oscar bait movies. Relative to recent oscar shows, it isn’t even close to the worst nominated movie. But it’s way more famous and twitter has a lot of racists, but it’s a perfectly melting pot of hate. Relativity is all that really matters here. Was the Favourite way better than Black Panther? No, it’s wasnt. Was Vice? Not really. But they got nominated too. Show me all their Twitter hate and I’ll give your stance credence. You're wrong brother, havenless. Social Media is the world. The medium is the message and, the message is always the truth. It is the birthright of the discordant few to control the huddled masses. Share and like this post.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 22, 2019 19:30:08 GMT
Congratulations to Black Panther on its nomination for best picture, and other Oscars.
Wakanda forever! LOL! Don't worry, if BP wins the best picture award, Christian Bale has stated that he plans to bumrush the stage during the acceptance speech to issue the following statement. "Yo Ryan, I’m really happy for you, I’ll let you finish, but Suicide Squad has one of the best marketing campaigns of all time. One of the best marketing campaigns of all time!"
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 22, 2019 19:32:58 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. This is a really bad day for the CBM industry. What it means for the CBM genre is that you can make a great movie but if you don't have a mostly black cast and you don't make your movie all about racism, then you won't get nominated for an Oscar. The Academy has just sent a message to all CBMs that the only way a CBM can get nominated for an Oscar is to have a mostly black cast and make the movie all about racism. No, the Academy sent a message to all CBMs that they acknowledge of their existence, that they can be considered Best Picture of the Year. If The Joker is a big awards contender next year, you have Black Panther to thank because it this important CBM did what no other CBM could do.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 22, 2019 19:36:11 GMT
Let me give some perspective on CBM's getting nominated for Best Picture...
In 2008 The Dark Knight should have gotten a nomination. There was enough outcry about that, that the Academy decided to increase their number of nominations to 10 movies so they could include movies like the big pop hits that usually don't get nominated.
But that has proven to be a false hope since no movie of the sort has been included in the bunch since then. And moreover the list itself has NOT always been 10 movies. Sometimes it was 8, or whatever, making the increased slots in the list kinda superfluous. Movies of the sort that could have been nominated since then have been The Dark Knight Rises, The Avengers, Star Wars: the Force Awakens, Wonder Woman.
This year the increased number of possible nominations finally lives up to its promise by including a pop movie in Black Panther. The last time a movie of the kind won was Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2003.
We'll see what happens this time, but I have a feeling the winner will be either Bohemian Rhapsody or Roma.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 22, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
what does it mean to the genre really?
does the genre now need to have and all black cast and race bait to get oscars or be made by disney that own hollywood?
do you know what it means to the genre? truthfully? the genre has zero credibility left. since the world is laughing right now because they know its a scam.
Lots of movies have black people. Even superhero movies. Only this one was nominated. If it didn’t have black people you wouldn’t have an argument to make. You’re basing your argument on racism. there have been more than 50 superhero movies. many light years better than black panther as proven even here on this forum. none were nominated for best picture.
dont play dumb.
the thing is i am even kind of cool with black panther getting nominated as long as the mcu fans are honest on the real reason it was nominated.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 22, 2019 19:39:52 GMT
...Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it... Links please. I don't remember it that way at all. I think you're full of shit. F. O. S. Big time. And yep, I'm calling you out.
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Post by sostie on Jan 22, 2019 19:40:16 GMT
Sifting through all the hate from DC regulars about this movie having Black People in it, you can at least appreciate what it means for the genre as a whole: Remember when they were trying to push the 'popular movie' category, and it felt like a slap in the face to everyone? This is basically sticking it to them. Superhero movies can be good enough to sit up with the best of them. This is a really good day. This is a really bad day for the CBM industry. What it means for the CBM genre is that you can make a great movie but if you don't have a mostly black cast and you don't make your movie all about racism, then you won't get nominated for an Oscar. The Academy has just sent a message to all CBMs that the only way a CBM can get nominated for an Oscar is to have a mostly black cast and make the movie all about racism. Congratulations, you have posted one post more than the whole of the month after last years Oscar Nominations. Remember that.....10 threads posted about how Wonder Woman would get a nomination/win.....no nomination...and then you seemed to vanish for a whole month.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 22, 2019 19:43:49 GMT
This is a really bad day for the CBM industry. What it means for the CBM genre is that you can make a great movie but if you don't have a mostly black cast and you don't make your movie all about racism, then you won't get nominated for an Oscar. The Academy has just sent a message to all CBMs that the only way a CBM can get nominated for an Oscar is to have a mostly black cast and make the movie all about racism. No, the Academy sent a message to all CBMs that they acknowledge of their existence, that they can be considered Best Picture of the Year. If The Joker is a big awards contender next year, you have Black Panther to thank because it this important CBM did what no other CBM could do. so the oscars acknowledged their existence now? um.
why didnt they do that with superman 1978, batman 89, X2, Spiderman 2, tdk, wonder woman even logan that got for writing.why black panther?
funny the oscars chose to now recognise cbm exist when the cast was all black even though most 98% of comic films are white. a time disney own hollywood too.
sad isnt it. this should have been a time for celebration for the genre, instead we are bing mocked.lolmcu has really killed the genre. Never thought i will see the day were logan and tdk major nomination will be more meaningful than the comic film that got best picture.
how does the oscars give a movie best picture and ignore for writing, directing and acting? LOGIC PLEASE.
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