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Post by darkpast on Feb 12, 2019 2:03:01 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Feb 12, 2019 3:26:14 GMT
*mic drop*
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 12, 2019 12:52:24 GMT
The sheep are a nice touch.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 12, 2019 13:24:29 GMT
Comes off hella preachy
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2019 13:48:30 GMT
Would this oh-so-wonderful church "step up" and let a gay couple get married? Or are gay members second class citizens? Hmmm?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 12, 2019 14:50:17 GMT
I'd prefer if Chris Pratt wasn't brain wash into a cult.
I'd like to think humanity will break free from religion.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 12, 2019 14:57:09 GMT
I'd prefer if Chris Pratt wasn't brain wash into a cult. I'd like to think humanity will break free from religion. Hes a fully competent adult with the luxury of infinite resources. Surely he has to take some personal responsibility and not be branded brainwashed as if it was someone elses fault? He chooses to believe and back his views with funding this church.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 12, 2019 15:01:51 GMT
I'd prefer if Chris Pratt wasn't brain wash into a cult. I'd like to think humanity will break free from religion. Hes a fully competent adult with the luxury of infinite resources. Surely he has to take some personal responsibility and not be branded brainwashed as if it was someone elses fault? He chooses to believe and back his views with funding this church. If he believes in that bullshit then he's mentally ill and needs help. Everyone associated with that church needs the proper mental health care.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 12, 2019 15:12:03 GMT
Hes a fully competent adult with the luxury of infinite resources. Surely he has to take some personal responsibility and not be branded brainwashed as if it was someone elses fault? He chooses to believe and back his views with funding this church. If he believes in that bullshit then he's mentally ill and needs help. Everyone associated with that church needs the proper mental health care. Easy dude. Attacking an entire religion is pretty discriminatory. I understand that we don't always agree with specific religions and their beliefs but we should still respect other people's freedom to choose their own religion.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2019 15:16:53 GMT
Easy dude. Attacking an entire religion is pretty discriminatory. I understand that we don't always agree with specific religions and their beliefs but we should still respect other people's freedom to choose their own religion. Religion does not get a free pass. It needs to be evaluated the way we evaluate any other set of ideas and deserves no special protections or respect whatsoever. None. Zip. Zero.
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Post by dazz on Feb 12, 2019 15:24:44 GMT
The thing that crosses my mind in all of this, if the church discriminates against LGBTQ+ by not letting them be active roles in the church themselves because of that not being ok by the bible, do they also have the same attitude towards those who have gotten divorced as Pratt says that's no ok by the bible, if the treat divorcee's the same as the LGBTQ+ members I think ok fair play to them, it's not a specific we look down on you for this but a simple we only allow those who most closely follow the guides of the bible can be more than worshippers in our church.
Now if Pratt is allowed to do things for the church LGBTQ+ members cant then fuck those people, fair is fair if you say no to them you should say no to him also, or am I being way to over simplistic about all this...eh I don't care.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 12, 2019 15:26:21 GMT
The thing that crosses my mind in all of this, if the church discriminates against LGBTQ+ by not letting them be active roles in the church themselves because of that not being ok by the bible, do they also have the same attitude towards those who have gotten divorced as Pratt says that's no ok by the bible, if the treat divorcee's the same as the LGBTQ+ members I think ok fair play to them, it's not a specific we look down on you for this but a simple we only allow those who most closely follow the guides of the bible can be more than worshippers in our church. Now if Pratt is allowed to do things for the church LGBTQ+ members cant then fuck those people, fair is fair if you say no to them you should say no to him also, or am I being way to over simplistic about all this...eh I don't care. Is divorce a sin or looked down upon in Christianity?
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Post by dazz on Feb 12, 2019 15:32:16 GMT
The thing that crosses my mind in all of this, if the church discriminates against LGBTQ+ by not letting them be active roles in the church themselves because of that not being ok by the bible, do they also have the same attitude towards those who have gotten divorced as Pratt says that's no ok by the bible, if the treat divorcee's the same as the LGBTQ+ members I think ok fair play to them, it's not a specific we look down on you for this but a simple we only allow those who most closely follow the guides of the bible can be more than worshippers in our church. Now if Pratt is allowed to do things for the church LGBTQ+ members cant then fuck those people, fair is fair if you say no to them you should say no to him also, or am I being way to over simplistic about all this...eh I don't care. Is divorce a sin or looked down upon in Christianity? I assume it's atleast looked down upon going by Pratt saying the church welcomed him despite his divorce, but I did read somewhere the churches no LGBTQ+ participation in the running of the church is due to them those who take part in such should hold true to the teachings of the bible, so if divorce is also not a condoned act by them then they should be held to the same limitations as LGBTQ+ members, it's only fair I think.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 12, 2019 15:35:28 GMT
Easy dude. Attacking an entire religion is pretty discriminatory. I understand that we don't always agree with specific religions and their beliefs but we should still respect other people's freedom to choose their own religion. Religion does not get a free pass. It needs to be evaluated the way we evaluate any other set of ideas and deserves no special protections or respect whatsoever. None. Zip. Zero. Discrimination is still discrimination. You don't get a free pass to discriminate people just because you're applying it on the basis of religion.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2019 15:51:28 GMT
Discrimination is still discrimination. You don't get a free pass to discriminate people just because you're applying it on the basis of religion. You are conflating criticism of a stupid idea with discrimination, when objectively they are entirely different. If I say to someone that their belief in X is completely irrational and stupid because it is unsupported by any evidence, that is not the same thing as not hiring them because they have that stupid belief.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 12, 2019 15:55:50 GMT
Religion does not get a free pass. It needs to be evaluated the way we evaluate any other set of ideas and deserves no special protections or respect whatsoever. None. Zip. Zero. Discrimination is still discrimination. You don't get a free pass to discriminate people just because you're applying it on the basis of religion. This. Itโs just hypocritical. Particularly when you keep reemphasizing that the person in question is religious at all is worth putting them through the wringer instead of whether or not they subscribe to the beliefs under scrutiny in the first place.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 12, 2019 17:42:44 GMT
Discrimination is still discrimination. You don't get a free pass to discriminate people just because you're applying it on the basis of religion. You are conflating criticism of a stupid idea with discrimination, when objectively they are entirely different. If I say to someone that their belief in X is completely irrational and stupid because it is unsupported by any evidence, that is not the same thing as not hiring them because they have that stupid belief. No, you're the one conflating criticism with discrimination, or maybe bigotry is a better word. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with their faith because <insert your reason>" and another thing to attack these people and call them names because you don't agree with their beliefs. I have no problem with the former, but that was not what was done here (or at least not what was done in the post I commented on) so it's not even relevant to this discussion. What did happen was someone directing an insult towards the people practicing a certain faith, and that's what I was calling out. And to be fair, it's not like I was trying to reprimand Hauntedknight. I was simply advising caution and care.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2019 18:18:46 GMT
You are conflating criticism of a stupid idea with discrimination, when objectively they are entirely different. If I say to someone that their belief in X is completely irrational and stupid because it is unsupported by any evidence, that is not the same thing as not hiring them because they have that stupid belief. No, you're the one conflating criticism with discrimination, or maybe bigotry is a better word. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with their faith because <insert your reason>" and another thing to attack these people and call them names because you don't agree with their beliefs. No, you're still pretending that unlike any other sets of beliefs, religious beliefs deserve special respect that we don't grant to any other kinds of belief. That special respect is utter bullshit. You want to change the rules, and I'm not having it. People get mocked and called names for stupid beliefs in science, politics, sports, economics, and countless other areas. Unless you want to argue that there is no such thing as a stupid or irrational belief, or that no one in the history of the planet has ever been an actual idiot, then religious people who have such beliefs because of their religion get the same harsh treatment we dole out to others for being irrational, stupid, or uneducated.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 12, 2019 18:30:07 GMT
No, you're the one conflating criticism with discrimination, or maybe bigotry is a better word. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with their faith because <insert your reason>" and another thing to attack these people and call them names because you don't agree with their beliefs.ย No, you're still pretending that unlike any other sets of beliefs, religious beliefs deserve special respect that we don't grant to any other kinds of belief. That special respect is utter bullshit. You want to change the rules, and I'm not having it. I'm going to stop you right there, because that is completely different from what I was saying. Me: Discrimination against anyone is bad, even if the basis for your discrimination is their choice of religion. You: So you believe religion deserves special respect. I'm not going to waste time on you if all you're going to do is misinterpret and strawman my arguments.
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Post by merh on Feb 12, 2019 20:10:43 GMT
The sheep are a nice touch. My daddy hated sheep. Grew up on a farm with sheep. He complained they are the dumbest farm animal. If one walked off the cliff, they epuld all follow which is why they had to add some goats to the herd
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