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Post by bud47 on May 6, 2019 19:07:29 GMT
Because most of them were significant characters already in the movie. They didn't show what happened to Aunt May, Happy Hogan, Jane Porter, Darcy, Thunderbolt Ross, Wong, Korg etc. Any uncertainty on whether they were to turned to dust or not is now made clear. They haven't aged so they turned to dust. Even if they turned to dust, it still doesn't make any sense that they would be back at the high school. After 5 years, the high school would've gotten a whole new group of students so there wouldn't have been any space for the dusted students to just return to the school after a 5-year absence. It didn't make any sense at all. Look who's back and grasping at straws!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 19:09:58 GMT
They never showed Ned, MJ, or any of Peter's classmates turned to dust. You mean they didn't show ALL those trillion beings being turned to dust? Plot-hole!!! The HUGE PLOTHOLE is that Past Thanos traveled to the present, thereby skipping over the events of Infinity War and thus Thanos' 1st snap should've never happened, which means that the events of both Infinity War AND Endgame would've never happened.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 19:12:23 GMT
You mean they didn't show ALL those trillion beings being turned to dust? Plot-hole!!! The HUGE PLOTHOLE is that Past Thanos traveled to the present, thereby skipping over the events of Infinity War and thus Thanos' 1st snap should've never happened, which means that the events of both Infinity War AND Endgame would've never happened. This has been answered in this thread multiple times. Either admit you're trolling or admit you're stupid.
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Post by bud47 on May 6, 2019 19:16:43 GMT
You mean they didn't show ALL those trillion beings being turned to dust? Plot-hole!!! The HUGE PLOTHOLE is that Past Thanos traveled to the present, thereby skipping over the events of Infinity War and thus Thanos' 1st snap should've never happened, which means that the events of both Infinity War AND Endgame would've never happened. Maybe the idea of time travel as it's presented in this film is just too complicated for you to grasp and leave it at that.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 19:41:33 GMT
3. If Strange tells Tony what happens, he's changing the timeline. The last thing he wants to do in the one scenario they win is mess with the flow of events. If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 19:46:46 GMT
3. If Strange tells Tony what happens, he's changing the timeline. The last thing he wants to do in the one scenario they win is mess with the flow of events. If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. Tony wouldn't have to try to change it; simply knowing the outcome could make him take a different approach which could change the outcome whether he intended it or not. What else can I spell out for you?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 19:48:47 GMT
If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. Tony wouldn't have to try to change it; simply knowing the outcome could make him take a different approach which could change the outcome whether he intended it or not. What else can I spell out for you? Why the fuck would Tony take a different approach if he knows the correct approach and correct method and correct way to do it? That's as stupid as if 1955 Biff decided to take a different approach and bet on all the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all.
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 19:57:28 GMT
People saying Antman was low on pym Particles so couldnt get the small wagon out of the cage.
But somehow 2014 Thanos using the small number of pym particles he steals off Nebula can transport a thousands strong army in a giant spaceship into 2019 lmao
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 20:00:16 GMT
3. If Strange tells Tony what happens, he's changing the timeline. The last thing he wants to do in the one scenario they win is mess with the flow of events. If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. Strange tells him anyway. Gauntlet is infront of Stark and hes staring into Tonys eyes with 1 finger elongated. He may as well have said, Tony put on the gauntlet and snap Thanos out of existence. So whats this nonsense he cannot tell Stark what he has to do because it wont happen. He more or less did anyway
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:04:10 GMT
Tony wouldn't have to try to change it; simply knowing the outcome could make him take a different approach which could change the outcome whether he intended it or not. What else can I spell out for you? Why the fuck would Tony take a different approach if he knows the correct approach and correct method and correct way to do it? That's as stupid as if 1955 Biff decided to take a different approach and bet on all the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. Tony doesn't know the correct approach.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:05:00 GMT
People saying Antman was low on pym Particles so couldnt get the small wagon out of the cage. But somehow 2014 Thanos using the small number of pym particles he steals off Nebula can transport a thousands strong army in a giant spaceship into 2019 lmao 2014 Thanos has nine years and advanced alien tech to replicate the Pym particle formula.
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 20:06:59 GMT
People saying Antman was low on pym Particles so couldnt get the small wagon out of the cage. But somehow 2014 Thanos using the small number of pym particles he steals off Nebula can transport a thousands strong army in a giant spaceship into 2019 lmao 2014 Thanos has nine years and advanced alien tech to replicate the Pym particle formula. Where you get 9 years from?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:07:40 GMT
If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. Strange tells him anyway. Gauntlet is infront of Stark and hes staring into Tonys eyes with 1 finger elongated. He may as well have said, Tony put on the gauntlet and snap Thanos out of existence. So whats this nonsense he cannot tell Stark what he has to do because it wont happen. He more or less did anyway You're oversimplifying the situation because it suits your argument. As the resolution gets closer, Strange silently acknowledges this is the one time they win. He doesn't tell Tony what to do. Congratulations on joining DC-Fan on pretending not to understand the most basic of concepts. Sacrificing your own perceived intelligence level in order to troll is an odd choice, but hey.
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 20:09:57 GMT
Strange tells him anyway. Gauntlet is infront of Stark and hes staring into Tonys eyes with 1 finger elongated. He may as well have said, Tony put on the gauntlet and snap Thanos out of existence. So whats this nonsense he cannot tell Stark what he has to do because it wont happen. He more or less did anyway You're oversimplifying the situation because it suits your argument. As the resolution gets closer, Strange silently acknowledges this is the one time they win. He doesn't tell Tony what to do. Congratulations on joining DC-Fan on pretending not to understand the most basic of concepts. Sacrificing your own perceived intelligence level in order to troll is an odd choice, but hey. So if he tells him right there to pick it up and snap Thanos, you saying the outcome wouldnt happen?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:10:41 GMT
2014 Thanos has nine years and advanced alien tech to replicate the Pym particle formula. Where you get 9 years from? 2014 to five years beyond the events of Endgame. Nothing suggests the Thanos that comes through the portal is the Thanos from the same day Nebula gave him the Pym particles. Hell, at that point that Thanos could've gone back even farther until he had the time to get what he needed.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:12:15 GMT
You're oversimplifying the situation because it suits your argument. As the resolution gets closer, Strange silently acknowledges this is the one time they win. He doesn't tell Tony what to do. Congratulations on joining DC-Fan on pretending not to understand the most basic of concepts. Sacrificing your own perceived intelligence level in order to troll is an odd choice, but hey. So if he tells him right there to pick it up and snap Thanos, you saying the outcome wouldnt happen? Maybe, we'll never know. Strange saw one victorious outcome and that's the one he orchestrated. You can bitch about it until kingdom come but that's how it worked out.
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 20:13:13 GMT
Where you get 9 years from? 2014 to five years beyond the events of Endgame. Nothing suggests the Thanos that comes through the portal is the Thanos from the same day Nebula gave him the Pym particles. Hell, at that point that Thanos could've gone back even farther until he had the time to get what he needed. Woah woah. If thats the case, why couldn't he go back in time to collect gems to form an infinity gauntlet himself? Then take it into the future?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 20:14:01 GMT
2014 to five years beyond the events of Endgame. Nothing suggests the Thanos that comes through the portal is the Thanos from the same day Nebula gave him the Pym particles. Hell, at that point that Thanos could've gone back even farther until he had the time to get what he needed. Woah woah. If thats the case, why couldn't he go back in time to collect gems to form an infinity gauntlet himself? Then take it into the future? You're right, maybe he could've. Maybe he should've.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 20:17:50 GMT
So if he tells him right there to pick it up and snap Thanos, you saying the outcome wouldnt happen? Maybe, we'll never know. Strange saw one victorious outcome and that's the one he orchestrated. That's true. Maybe in the one scenario that was successful, Strange said those very words to Stark and therefore was just playing out a script. 14 million plus possible scenarios is a lot. Maybe Strange saw one scenario where he told Iron Man what he had to do when asked, and while Iron Man stood there for a second pondering the gravity of his task, he was hit in the head with stray fire from across the battlefield and died. Whoops.
So he stuck to the script, stuck to what he saw himself saying to Iron Man at that moment. And the rest is, well, everything.
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Post by dazz on May 6, 2019 20:51:57 GMT
1. So Ant-Man is trapped in the Quantum Realm and only gets out bcause a random mouse happens to step on 1 of the buttons on the machine and activates the machine to let him out? So what if the random mouse never stepped on the machine? Would Ant-Man still be trapped in the Quantum Realm and thus never tells Cap and Black Widow about the possbility of time travel to reverse the snap? This is as contrived as the video camera that just happened to be in the right place to record Bucky murdering the Starks. 2. After Ant-Man gets out of the Quantum Realm, he's locked inside a cage door so he writes "HELP" on a card and shows it to the security camera and the security guard unlocks the cage for him. He had his Ant-Man suit on so why the fuck didnt he just shrink down and go through the cage? Why the fuck did he need to signal the security guard for help to get out of the cage? 3. Why the fuck did Doctor Strange say if he told Tony what happens, then it wont happen? So if the Enterprise-D travels back in time and tells Zefram Cochrane that he's going to be the 1st human to make a successful warp speed flight and that's going to lead to 1st contact with Vulcans and the founding of the United Federation of Planets, then that won't ever happen? What law of time travel says that something can't happen if someone is told about it beforehand? 4. The time travel in Endgame makes no sense at all: A. Thanos sends Past Nebula to the present to steal the stones. Past Nebula knocks out Hawkeye and grabs the gauntlet with the stones. Then Past Gamora and Present Nebula show up, and Present Nebula shoots and kills Past Nebula. So Present Nebula shouldn't exist and that means Thanos couldn't have tortured Nebula in Infinity War and thus Gamroa wouldn't have taken Thanos to the Soul Stone in Infinity War. B. Speaking of Infinity War, the Thanos that was turned to dust at the end of Endgame was Past Thanos, not Present Thanos (who was killed when Thor chopped off his head). So with Past Thanos skipping over the events of Infinity War and being turned to dust in the present, that means Infinity War and Thanos' 1st snap never happens. C. Cassie Lang wasn't turned to dust so she continued to age during those 5 years and grew up to be an adult. So why the fuck didn't Ned age during those 5 years? Why the fuck is Ned still in high school after 5 years? 5. Speaking of Ned, based on the latest trailer for Far From Home, it looks like Far From Home takes place after Endgame. So why the fuck are Ned and MJ and the rest of Peter's classmates still in high school after 5 years? The MCU is nothing but a huge convoluted mess! 1: No it's not, Ant-man simply needed someone or something to reactivate the device, anything could have done this, a rat doing so is just whatever, given the likes of Cap, Hulk, Cap Marvel & Thor are if not immoral have extremely long lifespans Scott coming to in time to seek their help isn't too hard to buy, the fact it took 5 years actually makes it less contrived, as now life has moved on, the snap cannot just be so easily fixed, stopping Thanos destroys the lives lived in those 5 years so a balance needs to be found bring people back without losing what people have gained.
2: Various reasons, he could be out of particles at that moment as he needs them to shrink, remember the particles are what shrink him not the suit, the suit just allows him to function at altered sizes, you would know this if you actually watched the movies instead of ripping from other peoples reviews who disliked the films, OR he could be afraid of doing so after what just happened OR his body cannot handle it for the moment, being shrunk to that size for that long could put a toll on the body much like being giant sized does.
3: He's seen millions of variations of events telling Tony putting the confidence that this is THE way could cause Tony to get cocky and fuck something up, or telling Tony yeah and this is what needs to be done may cause Tony to overthink in a critical moment and cost them, butterly effect dude you change one thing and it can drastically alter everything, bird shits on a dudes head just before he crosses the street and it stops him from crossing at that second which means he doesn't get hit by a reckless driver, his future and his families future is immensely altered by a bird shitting where it did when it did, 1 second later or 2 feet further and he doesn't get hit by the shit and crosses the road to be hit by the car, do you follow?
4: Eh mostly it does, it follows the you cannot change your past logic of time travel, that there isn't 1 timeline but multiple, similar to multiverse theory where every choice creates new universes one where you make this choice, another where you make the opposite, where by every possible outcome imaginable happens in someway, by changing the past events they create new timelines but they do not change the past of their own timeline, but to ensure they do not destroy those timelines they have to return the stones to them, doing so isn't to maintain their history but to not unravel another existences in the process, that is until the Cap thing this I admit I am kind of like wait what how?
5: They all got dusted, no need to show it as they showed enough people dusting so showing Ned and a bunch of the unimportant for the moment supporting characters fading away wouldn't have done anything that referencing them all being dusted in the next film cannot accomplish, also Thanos dusted trillions did you want them to show that? even if they just showed the dusting of everyone on earth at 100 people per second it would take over 13 1/2 months to do so, so shut the fuck up whining you dipshit.
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