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Post by scabab on May 6, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
Even if they turned to dust, it still doesn't make any sense that they would be back at the high school. After 5 years, the high school would've gotten a whole new group of students so there wouldn't have been any space for the dusted students to just return to the school after a 5-year absence. It didn't make any sense at all. No it'd just be the same. The half that weren't dusted would have gone on to graduate. Before everyone was brought back, the schools would have only been half full anyway because only half the kids were left. Now that the dusted half have been brought back then they'll join the other half to make for a full school again just like before. The movie also hasn't come out yet to give an explanation on it for it to even be said that doesn't make sense
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 20:55:21 GMT
You're oversimplifying the situation because it suits your argument. As the resolution gets closer, Strange silently acknowledges this is the one time they win. He doesn't tell Tony what to do. Congratulations on joining DC-Fan on pretending not to understand the most basic of concepts. Sacrificing your own perceived intelligence level in order to troll is an odd choice, but hey. So if he tells him right there to pick it up and snap Thanos, you saying the outcome wouldnt happen? That's basically what everyone who is defending this piece of crappy writing is saying. It's the same as saying if 2015 Biff tells 1955 Biff to bet on the winning teams, 1955 Biff would change it and bet on all the losing teams instead.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 20:58:57 GMT
2014 to five years beyond the events of Endgame. Nothing suggests the Thanos that comes through the portal is the Thanos from the same day Nebula gave him the Pym particles. Hell, at that point that Thanos could've gone back even farther until he had the time to get what he needed. Woah woah. If thats the case, why couldn't he go back in time to collect gems to form an infinity gauntlet himself? Then take it into the future? Exactly! If Past Thanos could travel to the future, then he doesn't even need to travel to the events of Endgame. All Past Thanos has to do is travel back to 5 seconds before he snaps his fingers in Infinity War and tell himself to snap everyone to dust instead of just snapping 50% to dust. The MCU fans here are just trying to make up all sorts of lame excuses for the crappy writing.
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Post by dazz on May 6, 2019 20:59:57 GMT
Because most of them were significant characters already in the movie. They didn't show what happened to Aunt May, Happy Hogan, Jane Porter, Darcy, Thunderbolt Ross, Wong, Korg etc. Any uncertainty on whether they were to turned to dust or not is now made clear. They haven't aged so they turned to dust. Even if they turned to dust, it still doesn't make any sense that they would be back at the high school. After 5 years, the high school would've gotten a whole new group of students so there wouldn't have been any space for the dusted students to just return to the school after a 5-year absence. It didn't make any sense at all. Actually it would, half the population disappeared which mean half the students did also, which mean people were left without partners, a significant amount of pregnant women probably got dusted also which means less new students per year till the snap was reversed in schools supposedly capable of maintaining much higher levels of students, not enough time passed to allow for entirely new classes of Peter's age to be reproduced, at worst nurseries and early year elementary/primary schools will be overcrowded not however high schools, not by a large amount atleast, maybe a slightly larger number but no worse than half the classroom growth one would have seen in a 5 year time jump.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 6, 2019 21:00:02 GMT
2014 to five years beyond the events of Endgame. Nothing suggests the Thanos that comes through the portal is the Thanos from the same day Nebula gave him the Pym particles. Hell, at that point that Thanos could've gone back even farther until he had the time to get what he needed. Woah woah. If thats the case, why couldn't he go back in time to collect gems to form an infinity gauntlet himself? Then take it into the future? Because the Avengers collected all the infinity stones.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 21:08:02 GMT
Even if they turned to dust, it still doesn't make any sense that they would be back at the high school. After 5 years, the high school would've gotten a whole new group of students so there wouldn't have been any space for the dusted students to just return to the school after a 5-year absence. It didn't make any sense at all. No it'd just be the same. The half that weren't dusted would have gone on to graduate. And there would be a whole new group of students admitted to the school. When students graduate from Harvard, the student population doesn't just go way down and stay down forever. They admit a new class of students. So the spots are always filled and the school isn't empty. So there wouldn't have been any space for Ned and the others who were turned to dust to just return to school after a 5-year absence. That made no sense at all.
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 21:12:38 GMT
Woah woah. If thats the case, why couldn't he go back in time to collect gems to form an infinity gauntlet himself? Then take it into the future? Because the Avengers collected all the infinity stones. Not in the past they didnt. With multiple pym particles Thanos could have just gone into the past to collect infinity gems rather than go into 2019 against unknown enemies in the Avengers who also hold the gauntlet. Its such a dumb war strategy decision that i wouldnt expect Thanos to make, who is meant to be incredibly intelligent.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 21:12:50 GMT
Even if they turned to dust, it still doesn't make any sense that they would be back at the high school. After 5 years, the high school would've gotten a whole new group of students so there wouldn't have been any space for the dusted students to just return to the school after a 5-year absence. It didn't make any sense at all. Actually it would, half the population disappeared which mean half the students did also And there would've been a whole new group of students admitted to the school. When students leave Harvard, whether by graduation or expulsion or voluntarily quitting or dying or any other reason, the student population doesn't just go down and stay down permanently. They constantly admit new students so the spots are always filled and the school isn't empty. That's how all schools work. So there wouldn't have been any space for Ned and the others who were turned to dust to just return to school after a 5-year absence. That made no sense at all. As for not enough students to attend the school, if the school isn't operating at the required capacity, then it would've shut down and students at that school would've gone to other schools, thus filling up the other schools.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 21:18:15 GMT
Because the Avengers collected all the infinity stones. Its such a dumb war strategy decision that i wouldnt expect Thanos to make, who is meant to be incredibly intelligent. This is the same cinematic universe in which Thanos' right-hand man Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a silly Dance-Off. So when it comes to war strategy, the MCU writers just have no clue. Seriously, Thanos not killing Iron Man when he was stabbed in the shoulder and not killing the rest of the Avengers after the snap was just incredibly stupid. In the Illiad, the Greeks threw Hector's infant son over the walls of Troy after they won the war. This was an infant they threw over the wall, in order to prevent the infant from growing up and taking revenge on the Greeks. Yet Thanos leaves his enemies alive to come back and take revenge on him? That's bad war strategy and really awful and dumb writing by the MCU writers!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 6, 2019 21:18:25 GMT
Because the Avengers collected all the infinity stones. Not in the past they didnt. With multiple pym particles Thanos could have just gone into the past to collect infinity gems rather than go into 2019 against unknown enemies in the Avengers who also hold the gauntlet. Its such a dumb war strategy decision that i wouldnt expect Thanos to make, who is meant to be incredibly intelligent. 2014 Thanos didn't even know where all of the stones were, so he couldn't go back in time to get them.
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Post by scabab on May 6, 2019 21:23:59 GMT
And there would be a whole new group of students admitted to the school. Yeah I just mentioned that. Other kids would go to the school but since the snap, half the kids in the world would have been wiped out. There wouldn't be nearly as many kids being admitted to the school afterwards. As long as schools weren't shutting left and right, they should only be admitting half as many students as before. So then after the other half of kids were brought back, they'd then join the currently existing kids at the half empty schools to make for a full school like before.
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Post by raiderjedi on May 6, 2019 21:33:25 GMT
My 8 year old nephew is more intelligent than you. He understands the entire plot.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 21:40:44 GMT
And there would be a whole new group of students admitted to the school. Yeah I just mentioned that. Other kids would go to the school but since the snap, half the kids in the world would have been wiped out. There wouldn't be nearly as many kids being admitted to the school afterwards. As long as schools weren't shutting left and right And I just mentioned that. If a school has too low an enrollment for several years in a row, then the school would shut down. That's what happened to the elementary school I attended. The school was founded in 1921 and due to low enrollment for several years, the school shut down in 2016. So schools with not enough students would've shut down and those students would've gone to other schools, filling up the spots at those other schools. So there wouldn't have been any space for Ned and the others who were turned to dust to just return to school after a 5-year absence. That made no sense at all.
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2019 22:08:01 GMT
That made no sense at all. Everyone here seems to get it. The problem is obviously you. Now, sit down, shut up, and let your intellectual betters (admittedly, a rather low bar ... ) take you to school.
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Post by havenless on May 6, 2019 22:11:34 GMT
Ned Leeds was turned to dust no? If none of the classmates turned to dust then they shouldn't have aged and should still be of school age. They never showed Ned, MJ, or any of Peter's classmates turned to dust. He snapped away half the universe. Are you seriously bickering that you weren’t allowed to see however many trillions of aliens get their death scenes?
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Post by charzhino on May 6, 2019 22:22:13 GMT
Not in the past they didnt. With multiple pym particles Thanos could have just gone into the past to collect infinity gems rather than go into 2019 against unknown enemies in the Avengers who also hold the gauntlet. Its such a dumb war strategy decision that i wouldnt expect Thanos to make, who is meant to be incredibly intelligent. 2014 Thanos didn't even know where all of the stones were, so he couldn't go back in time to get them. Valid point. But Thanos would have all the information at hand to know where the stones are: Power gem - 2014 Thanos captures 2019 Nebula whilst she and Warmachin were planning to intercept the power gem from Quill. Knowing where the powergem has been all this time, Thanos can just has to go back in time a couple of days before Quill steals it to capture the orb. Mind gem - He gave this to Loki in his sceptre back in 2012 Avengers. Can easily go back then and keep the mind gem himself. Space gem/Tesseract - again, he knows its on earth in 2012 so can go back to 2012 to retrieve it, with the power and mind gem at hand, he can easily defeat any resistance Soul gem - 2014 Thanos didnt know the soul stone was on Vormir. But now that he and Ebony Maw have access to 2019 Nebulas memory files, he can simply scan them and look for the moment 2019 Nebula explained its location to Hawkeye/Widow. Boom, theres another gem he can go into the past to retrieve. Time gem - Thanos and Maw simply have to look at her memory files until the location of the stone is revealed. Given that the time stone has been with the Sorcerer Supreme for a very long time on earth, Thanos can assume itll still be there in the past even though the memory file hes watching is from the future relative to him (2019) Power gem/Aether - Once again, Thanos finds the memory where Avengers planning to get the gems in Endgame. Thor reveals that he had to take Jane to Asgard with the aether inside. Thanos then has to basically copy Rockets plan, which he could do with 100x the ease There we go, all 6 gems collected. A master strategist with patience (as Thanos has been depicted to be very patient in collecting gems over the MCU lifespan) pulls this off. No need for the contrived ending in Endgame where he ridiculously decides to travel into 2019 with his army to go up against the Avengers who already have the infinity gauntlet ready to use. Its a straight up suicide mission, no way Thanos with his intellect thinks this is a good idea. The better plan would be to go into the past from his position in 2014; collect the gems with relative ease as Ive outlined and go back to 2014 with a fresh gauntlet and snap the whole universe out of existence. Then if hes in the mood, go forward to 2019 and do the same thing again. Sorry, but Russos poor writing and handling of time travel has been exposed beyond redemption.
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Post by dazz on May 6, 2019 22:46:51 GMT
Yeah I just mentioned that. Other kids would go to the school but since the snap, half the kids in the world would have been wiped out. There wouldn't be nearly as many kids being admitted to the school afterwards. As long as schools weren't shutting left and right And I just mentioned that. If a school has too low an enrollment for several years in a row, then the school would shut down. That's what happened to the elementary school I attended. The school was founded in 1921 and due to low enrollment for several years, the school shut down in 2016. So schools with not enough students would've shut down and those students would've gone to other schools, filling up the spots at those other schools. So there wouldn't have been any space for Ned and the others who were turned to dust to just return to school after a 5-year absence. That made no sense at all. That depends though, is it a private or public school? private schools make more sense as it's more a business, so low enrolment means less tuition which means less money, if profit isn't high enough or they fail to make money then that makes sense for a school to close, public schools only make sense as a means to save tax payer money or due to limited resources, but at the same time with less overpopulation the classes wouldn't be so unreasonably small to justify this, more likely that low quality schools would close and their students spread over numerous other schools.
With half the population gone it's not like development would be thriving, there's more than enough space already built to allow for business's to expand without needing to close and demolish other areas, even the closed schools would there by probably be left standing but vacant which could then just be refilled with those returned in the snap, Ned & Peter and several of their classmates being victims of it would make sense to be regrouped together, they may not be at the same school they were but they would likely be in school together, and depending on their school's standing they could still be at the same one, their old school could now be one of many schools specifically designated for those who got dusted to attend as an easier way for them to adjust to their new reality.
But go a head and clip out all of one sentence to comment on and ignore the rest, like you always do you sad little turnip brained shit spiral.
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Post by poutinep on May 6, 2019 22:50:45 GMT
All Past Thanos has to do is travel back to 5 seconds before he snaps his fingers in Infinity War and tell himself to snap everyone to dust instead of just snapping 50% to dust. As if Thanos would believe it's really himself.
LOL 5 seconds before he snaps...
Past Thanos: Hey Thanos, it's me, Past Thanos. I know you have an axe in your chest and everything, but you should snap everyone not just 50%!
No it'd just be the same. The half that weren't dusted would have gone on to graduate. And there would be a whole new group of students admitted to the school. a half* new group of students. LOL, idiot.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 6, 2019 22:58:54 GMT
1. So Ant-Man is trapped in the Quantum Realm and only gets out bcause a random mouse happens to step on 1 of the buttons on the machine and activates the machine to let him out? So what if the random mouse never stepped on the machine? Would Ant-Man still be trapped in the Quantum Realm and thus never tells Cap and Black Widow about the possbility of time travel to reverse the snap? This is as contrived as the video camera that just happened to be in the right place to record Bucky murdering the Starks. 2. After Ant-Man gets out of the Quantum Realm, he's locked inside a cage door so he writes "HELP" on a card and shows it to the security camera and the security guard unlocks the cage for him. He had his Ant-Man suit on so why the fuck didnt he just shrink down and go through the cage? Why the fuck did he need to signal the security guard for help to get out of the cage? 3. Why the fuck did Doctor Strange say if he told Tony what happens, then it wont happen? So if the Enterprise-D travels back in time and tells Zefram Cochrane that he's going to be the 1st human to make a successful warp speed flight and that's going to lead to 1st contact with Vulcans and the founding of the United Federation of Planets, then that won't ever happen? What law of time travel says that something can't happen if someone is told about it beforehand? 4. The time travel in Endgame makes no sense at all: A. Thanos sends Past Nebula to the present to steal the stones. Past Nebula knocks out Hawkeye and grabs the gauntlet with the stones. Then Past Gamora and Present Nebula show up, and Present Nebula shoots and kills Past Nebula. So Present Nebula shouldn't exist and that means Thanos couldn't have tortured Nebula in Infinity War and thus Gamroa wouldn't have taken Thanos to the Soul Stone in Infinity War. B. Speaking of Infinity War, the Thanos that was turned to dust at the end of Endgame was Past Thanos, not Present Thanos (who was killed when Thor chopped off his head). So with Past Thanos skipping over the events of Infinity War and being turned to dust in the present, that means Infinity War and Thanos' 1st snap never happens. C. Cassie Lang wasn't turned to dust so she continued to age during those 5 years and grew up to be an adult. So why the fuck didn't Ned age during those 5 years? Why the fuck is Ned still in high school after 5 years? 5. Speaking of Ned, based on the latest trailer for Far From Home, it looks like Far From Home takes place after Endgame. So why the fuck are Ned and MJ and the rest of Peter's classmates still in high school after 5 years? The MCU is nothing but a huge convoluted mess! You swear like a child just discovering the f-word and iyou come off as a petulant little baby who's upset he didn't get his participation trophy. A piece of advice, you're trying too hard.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 6, 2019 23:10:47 GMT
2014 Thanos didn't even know where all of the stones were, so he couldn't go back in time to get them. Valid point. But Thanos would have all the information at hand to know where the stones are: Power gem - 2014 Thanos captures 2019 Nebula whilst she and Warmachin were planning to intercept the power gem from Quill. Knowing where the powergem has been all this time, Thanos can just has to go back in time a couple of days before Quill steals it to capture the orb. Mind gem - He gave this to Loki in his sceptre back in 2012 Avengers. Can easily go back then and keep the mind gem himself. Space gem/Tesseract - again, he knows its on earth in 2012 so can go back to 2012 to retrieve it, with the power and mind gem at hand, he can easily defeat any resistance Soul gem - 2014 Thanos didnt know the soul stone was on Vormir. But now that he and Ebony Maw have access to 2019 Nebulas memory files, he can simply scan them and look for the moment 2019 Nebula explained its location to Hawkeye/Widow. Boom, theres another gem he can go into the past to retrieve. Time gem - Thanos and Maw simply have to look at her memory files until the location of the stone is revealed. Given that the time stone has been with the Sorcerer Supreme for a very long time on earth, Thanos can assume itll still be there in the past even though the memory file hes watching is from the future relative to him (2019) Power gem/Aether - Once again, Thanos finds the memory where Avengers planning to get the gems in Endgame. Thor reveals that he had to take Jane to Asgard with the aether inside. Thanos then has to basically copy Rockets plan, which he could do with 100x the ease There we go, all 6 gems collected. A master strategist with patience (as Thanos has been depicted to be very patient in collecting gems over the MCU lifespan) pulls this off. No need for the contrived ending in Endgame where he ridiculously decides to travel into 2019 with his army to go up against the Avengers who already have the infinity gauntlet ready to use. Its a straight up suicide mission, no way Thanos with his intellect thinks this is a good idea. The better plan would be to go into the past from his position in 2014; collect the gems with relative ease as Ive outlined and go back to 2014 with a fresh gauntlet and snap the whole universe out of existence. Then if hes in the mood, go forward to 2019 and do the same thing again. Sorry, but Russos poor writing and handling of time travel has been exposed beyond redemption. Yep, with Past Nebula being able to access Present Nebula's memories, Thanos has access to all the information he needs to know exactly where all the stones are. The Russos completely fucked up the "Infinity Saga" with their poor writing and stupid handling of time travel.
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