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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 5, 2019 19:53:55 GMT
Well, 1984 was before everyone had cell phones so there wouldn't have been videos posted on the Internet. So for people who weren't there to see Wonder Woman in person (which would be most of the world), they probably think the stories are an urban myth. It would be like the stories of the alien crash in Roswell in 1947. Some people who were there in Roswell know what really happened, but for people who weren't there in Roswell to see it in person (which was most of the world), those are just unconfirmed stories and rumors. Also, MoS Kal-El wouldn't have arrived on Earth until after 1984. People did have video cameras back then.
Video cameras in 1984 weren't a small device that people could put in their pockets so few people carried around big and heavy video cameras in 1984 the way that everyone carries around small cell phones today. And like I said, there was no Internet in 1984 to post the videos for everyone to see.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 5, 2019 20:03:11 GMT
Let's face it, most likely they won't team up anytime soon and nothing that happens in their individual films will affect the others. So basically standalone. Like pre-MCU superhero movies. I get that. I just don’t know how exactly they’re going to address the fact that they still have Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa and Margot Robbie on board, while at the same time, having a completely different Batman. Hell, actors like Joel Kinnaman and Viola Davis are supposed to be returning for James Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie, so it’s all just very confusing. It's not any more confusing than why Bruce Banner looks different between The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers or why Rhodey looks different between Iron Man and Iron Man 2. But I can see how some people got confused that Diamonds Are Forever and The Man with the Golden Gun had the same actor/actress for M, Q, and Moneypenny but a different actor for Bond.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 5, 2019 20:09:22 GMT
I get that. I just don’t know how exactly they’re going to address the fact that they still have Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa and Margot Robbie on board, while at the same time, having a completely different Batman. Hell, actors like Joel Kinnaman and Viola Davis are supposed to be returning for James Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie, so it’s all just very confusing. It's not any more confusing than why Bruce Banner looks different between The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers or why Rhodey looks different between Iron Man and Iron Man 2. But I can see how some people got confused that Diamonds Are Forever and The Man with the Golden Gun had the same actor/actress for M, Q, and Moneypenny but a different actor for Bond. Those were simple cases of recasting. Sure, Don Cheadle and Mark Ruffalo look nothing like Terrance Howard and Edward Norton, but at this point in time, there’s no way of even knowing if Robert Pattinson’s Batman is even supposed to be the same character as Ben Affleck’s Batman.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 5, 2019 23:55:20 GMT
Depends on how many people see her in action, if most of her superhero activity is visible to a very large number of people then yeah its going to take some serious suspension of disbelief for most movie goers. There's some BTS stuff of her possibly running at super speed through the streets of D.C. (maybe invisible jet?). She's on a harness with her feet up like she's driving (might be testing the harness).
As you can see she is in the streets with a lot of people around in a major city. A lot of people had to have seen her.
Memory wipe a la Men In Black?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 5, 2019 23:59:28 GMT
People did have video cameras back then.
Video cameras in 1984 weren't a small device that people could put in their pockets so few people carried around big and heavy video cameras in 1984 the way that everyone carries around small cell phones today. And like I said, there was no Internet in 1984 to post the videos for everyone to see. Yes, because before the internet literally nobody ever shared photographs or video of something fantastic with others or reported it to the media or proper authorities...*Sarcasm*.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 6, 2019 0:12:06 GMT
I get that. I just don’t know how exactly they’re going to address the fact that they still have Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa and Margot Robbie on board, while at the same time, having a completely different Batman. Hell, actors like Joel Kinnaman and Viola Davis are supposed to be returning for James Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie, so it’s all just very confusing. It's not any more confusing than why Bruce Banner looks different between The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers or why Rhodey looks different between Iron Man and Iron Man 2. But I can see how some people got confused that Diamonds Are Forever and The Man with the Golden Gun had the same actor/actress for M, Q, and Moneypenny but a different actor for Bond. Actually for DC on film the situation is a bit more complicated because not every movie coming out will be set in the same universe of films and they'll come and go pretty close to each other without a whole lot of detail for the general public to tell between stand alone or part of to the same universe, while the MCU is all one universe and when branching into the multiverse you can expect the same current actor in a role to play the alternate version of themselves for the screen. Regarding 007 I'd say given all the years the franchise has been active and how little Moneypenny, Q, and M appeared till more recent years most people focused just on James Bond and little on how connected they all were, any nods or consistency were more of a fringe benefit they mostly went for the formula of it all.
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Post by gromel on Jun 6, 2019 1:26:42 GMT
You can still have it all in the same universe just not acknowledging anything else. That is their approach until they want to do a crossover, whenever that happens. But is Matt Reeves’ Batman going to be part of its own separate universe? And if so, is Matt Reeves going to introduce his own version of the Joker? That’s the main part that’s confusing about all this. "This film will in no way carry on the work that Ben Affleck did as the older Batman in Batman v Superman and Justice League." Reboot, and the first of a planned trilogy. I'd say completely separate from the others.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 6, 2019 1:34:18 GMT
But is Matt Reeves’ Batman going to be part of its own separate universe? And if so, is Matt Reeves going to introduce his own version of the Joker? That’s the main part that’s confusing about all this. "This film will in no way carry on the work that Ben Affleck did as the older Batman in Batman v Superman and Justice League." Reboot, and the first of a planned trilogy. I'd say completely separate from the others. I guess having another Batman trilogy that’s separate from everything else is all well and good, but that still begs the questions of the Joker. The Joaquin Phoenix movie isn’t supposed to be connected to Matt Reeves’ Batman or the current movie universe, so is it possible that Matt Reeves will give us yet another version of the Joker?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 6, 2019 5:10:32 GMT
I guess having another Batman trilogy that’s separate from everything else is all well and good, but that still begs the questions of the Joker. The Joaquin Phoenix movie isn’t supposed to be connected to Matt Reeves’ Batman or the current movie universe, so is it possible that Matt Reeves will give us yet another version of the Joker? Is Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad still going to use Jared Leto's Joker? If so and Matt Reeves introduces another Joker, we potentially will have 3 versions of Joker at once?
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Post by agentblue on Jun 6, 2019 7:49:37 GMT
I guess having another Batman trilogy that’s separate from everything else is all well and good, but that still begs the questions of the Joker. The Joaquin Phoenix movie isn’t supposed to be connected to Matt Reeves’ Batman or the current movie universe, so is it possible that Matt Reeves will give us yet another version of the Joker? Is Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad still going to use Jared Leto's Joker? If so and Matt Reeves introduces another Joker, we potentially will have 3 versions of Joker at once? Thats whats gonna confuse people, seeing three separate Jokers at the same time. Granted Phoenix is only going to be in one film but still.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 6, 2019 11:11:38 GMT
I guess having another Batman trilogy that’s separate from everything else is all well and good, but that still begs the questions of the Joker. The Joaquin Phoenix movie isn’t supposed to be connected to Matt Reeves’ Batman or the current movie universe, so is it possible that Matt Reeves will give us yet another version of the Joker? Is Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad still going to use Jared Leto's Joker? If so and Matt Reeves introduces another Joker, we potentially will have 3 versions of Joker at once? Set photos for BoP have shown the Joker, but it looks like we won’t be seeing his face. There’s also no chance that Jared Leto appears in James Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 6, 2019 14:19:33 GMT
Is Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad still going to use Jared Leto's Joker? If so and Matt Reeves introduces another Joker, we potentially will have 3 versions of Joker at once? Thats whats gonna confuse people, seeing three separate Jokers at the same time. Like how some people got confused when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were released about 4 months apart and people saw two separate James Bond's at the same time? I wasn't confused by that but I can see how some people got confused.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 6, 2019 16:08:53 GMT
People did have video cameras back then.
Video cameras in 1984 weren't a small device that people could put in their pockets so few people carried around big and heavy video cameras in 1984 the way that everyone carries around small cell phones today. And like I said, there was no Internet in 1984 to post the videos for everyone to see. You must not have been around back then. People did walk around with these bad boys.
This next picture is from Days of Future Past. What the hell does Bryan Singer have in his hands? Is he playing a tourist with a video camera?
And that's in 1973.
Just because there weren't any cell phones with cameras on them back then doesn't mean people didn't have video cameras.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 6, 2019 16:10:19 GMT
Thats whats gonna confuse people, seeing three separate Jokers at the same time. Like how some people got confused when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were released about 4 months apart and people saw two separate James Bond's at the same time? I wasn't confused by that but I can see how some people got confused. Yeah, that's why DC killed off Suicide Squad on Arrow just before the movie was coming out.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 7, 2019 0:53:46 GMT
Video cameras in 1984 weren't a small device that people could put in their pockets so few people carried around big and heavy video cameras in 1984 the way that everyone carries around small cell phones today. And like I said, there was no Internet in 1984 to post the videos for everyone to see. You must not have been around back then. People did walk around with these bad boys.
This next picture is from Days of Future Past. What the hell does Bryan Singer have in his hands? Is he playing a tourist with a video camera?
And that's in 1973.
Just because there weren't any cell phones with cameras on them back then doesn't mean people didn't have video cameras.
Actually he was around in the 80's, as well as the 70's and the 60's. DC-Fan is really, surprisingly, a pretty old fella.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 7, 2019 1:11:41 GMT
Thats whats gonna confuse people, seeing three separate Jokers at the same time. Like how some people got confused when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were released about 4 months apart and people saw two separate James Bond's at the same time? I wasn't confused by that but I can see how some people got confused. The situation you speak of cannot really be applied to what you are arguing, both Connery and Moore were very well-known and well-established as 007 so audiences were game to see more of one and the other in the role, and it was a rights situation which sparked there to be two James Bond movies in the same year. Please note that Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were not meant to compliment one another they were intended to compete against one another, the scenario is more akin to where you had two Hercules movies the same year(2014), two Snow White movies the same year(2012), etc. the event is defined as being 'twin films', more examples from Wikipedia - linkTimes are different these days in the age of the 'cinematic universe', most people expect some kind of linkage with big franchises now, as it stands the Joker movie coming out has not really made it clear to the general movie going public on whether or not its stand alone or in line with any recent other DC movie. We know it isn't and is totally stand alone, but how are some people going to figure that one out? The DC logo is the same one used, whereas Marvel Studios has a very different logo for their movies than studios who make their own separate Marvel movie, in which case its just 'Marvel' with no montage of any MCU movie but near 20 year old version that Kyle Cooper of Se7en fame created.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 7, 2019 2:03:43 GMT
Like how some people got confused when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were released about 4 months apart and people saw two separate James Bond's at the same time? I wasn't confused by that but I can see how some people got confused. The situation you speak of cannot really be applied to what you are arguing, both Connery and Moore were very well-known and well-established as 007 so audiences were game to see more of one and the other in the role, and it was a rights situation which sparked there to be two James Bond movies in the same year. Please note that Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were not meant to compliment one another they were intended to compete against one another, the scenario is more akin to where you had two Hercules movies the same year(2014), two Snow White movies the same year(2012), etc. the event is defined as being 'twin films', more examples from Wikipedia - linkTimes are different these days in the age of the 'cinematic universe', most people expect some kind of linkage with big franchises now, as it stands the Joker movie coming out has not really made it clear to the general movie going public on whether or not its stand alone or in line with any recent other DC movie. We know it isn't and is totally stand alone, but how are some people going to figure that one out? The DC logo is the same one used, whereas Marvel Studios has a very different logo for their movies than studios who make their own separate Marvel movie, in which case its just 'Marvel' with no montage of any MCU movie but near 20 year old version that Kyle Cooper of Se7en fame created. As far as logos are concerned, DC does have their own opening logo that they’ve been using from WW onward. I’m assuming Joker won’t have it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 7, 2019 4:41:27 GMT
Like how some people got confused when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were released about 4 months apart and people saw two separate James Bond's at the same time? I wasn't confused by that but I can see how some people got confused. The situation you speak of cannot really be applied to what you are arguing, both Connery and Moore were very well-known and well-established as 007 so audiences were game to see more of one and the other in the role, and it was a rights situation which sparked there to be two James Bond movies in the same year. Please note that Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were not meant to compliment one another they were intended to compete against one another, the scenario is more akin to where you had two Hercules movies the same year(2014), two Snow White movies the same year(2012), etc. the event is defined as being 'twin films', more examples from Wikipedia - link Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Captain America: Civil War both films deal with superheroes coming into conflict with each other. Both films involve a debate as to whether there should be oversight of the activities of superheroes in the aftermath of deadly incidents involving superheroes in African countries. Both films include a villain who schemes to pit superheroes against each other, and both films involve a bombing of a gathering of officials trying to resolve the debate. Both films also each reference a preceding film in their respective series involving a battle between superheroes and supervillains resulting in mass civilian casualties. WOW! What a rip-off! Times are different these days in the age of the 'cinematic universe', most people expect some kind of linkage with big franchises now, as it stands the Joker movie coming out has not really made it clear to the general movie going public on whether or not its stand alone or in line with any recent other DC movie. We know it isn't and is totally stand alone, but how are some people going to figure that one out? And MCU will have the same problem when they make their first X-Men or Fantastic Four movies. Heck, MCU already had that problem when they made The Incredible Hulk 5 years after Hulk and when they made Homecoming 3 years after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Marvel Studios has a very different logo for their movies than studios who make their own separate Marvel movie And most of the general public doesn't notice that. To most of the general public, all of the Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and Hulk movies are just comic book movies featuring Marvel characters and have a title screen that's red and says "Marvel" at the beginning so they're all supposed to be the same franchise.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 7, 2019 4:42:32 GMT
The situation you speak of cannot really be applied to what you are arguing, both Connery and Moore were very well-known and well-established as 007 so audiences were game to see more of one and the other in the role, and it was a rights situation which sparked there to be two James Bond movies in the same year. Please note that Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were not meant to compliment one another they were intended to compete against one another, the scenario is more akin to where you had two Hercules movies the same year(2014), two Snow White movies the same year(2012), etc. the event is defined as being 'twin films', more examples from Wikipedia - linkTimes are different these days in the age of the 'cinematic universe', most people expect some kind of linkage with big franchises now, as it stands the Joker movie coming out has not really made it clear to the general movie going public on whether or not its stand alone or in line with any recent other DC movie. We know it isn't and is totally stand alone, but how are some people going to figure that one out? The DC logo is the same one used, whereas Marvel Studios has a very different logo for their movies than studios who make their own separate Marvel movie, in which case its just 'Marvel' with no montage of any MCU movie but near 20 year old version that Kyle Cooper of Se7en fame created. As far as logos are concerned, DC does have their own opening logo that they’ve been using from WW onward. I’m assuming Joker won’t have it. So JudgeJuryDredd lied.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 7, 2019 5:51:26 GMT
The situation you speak of cannot really be applied to what you are arguing, both Connery and Moore were very well-known and well-established as 007 so audiences were game to see more of one and the other in the role, and it was a rights situation which sparked there to be two James Bond movies in the same year. Please note that Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were not meant to compliment one another they were intended to compete against one another, the scenario is more akin to where you had two Hercules movies the same year(2014), two Snow White movies the same year(2012), etc. the event is defined as being 'twin films', more examples from Wikipedia - linkBatman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Captain America: Civil War both films deal with superheroes coming into conflict with each other. Both films involve a debate as to whether there should be oversight of the activities of superheroes in the aftermath of deadly incidents involving superheroes in African countries. Both films include a villain who schemes to pit superheroes against each other, and both films involve a bombing of a gathering of officials trying to resolve the debate. Both films also each reference a preceding film in their respective series involving a battle between superheroes and supervillains resulting in mass civilian casualties. WOW! What a rip-off! Times are different these days in the age of the 'cinematic universe', most people expect some kind of linkage with big franchises now, as it stands the Joker movie coming out has not really made it clear to the general movie going public on whether or not its stand alone or in line with any recent other DC movie. We know it isn't and is totally stand alone, but how are some people going to figure that one out? And MCU will have the same problem when they make their first X-Men or Fantastic Four movies. Heck, MCU already had that problem when they made The Incredible Hulk 5 years after Hulk and when they made Homecoming 3 years after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Marvel Studios has a very different logo for their movies than studios who make their own separate Marvel movie And most of the general public doesn't notice that. To most of the general public, all of the Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and Hulk movies are just comic book movies featuring Marvel characters and have a title screen that's red and says "Marvel" at the beginning so they're all supposed to be the same franchise. So you couldn't debate me so you resorted to the old and tired 'Civil War is a BvS RIP-OFF!" argument that was already old and tired before either were released into theatres in 2016 - Hilarious. It's okay to admit defeat, bro. No, they won't. Nobody liked the last Fantastic Four movie and it bombed at the box office, and the other two movies from the mid 00's are not universally beloved classics either. None will shed a tear or be perplexed when the Fantastic Four arrive in the MCU with new and different actors. Also you ignore the fact that Michael B. Jordan moved on from Johnny Storm to Erik Killmonger with none raising an eyebrow. The X-Men movies as they are are pretty much done and over with; Days of Future Past was a sign off for most of the original cast of actors, Logan was the swan song for both Hugh Jackman and Sir Patrick Stewart as Wolverine and Professor X, and you have a number of advertisements for Dark Phoenix calling it 'the last one'. Then there's the TV side of things with The Gifted being cancelled, and Legion finishing up this summer. And honestly, given the amount of times its been pushed back and retooled I wouldn't be surprised if interest in New Mutants is so low it bombs hard in theatres, that is IF it sees theatrical release at all. The writing is pretty much on the wall for the masses that the X-Men as they know it is really at death's door in its current form and on the brink of being redone and incorporated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Deadpool is looking to be the only part of the existing X-Men series of films to come aboard, which is easy to accomplish as both movies were very distanced from everything else in style and aesthetic and that the character is so off-the-wall it would be as easy as said to have him break the 4th wall and talk about how he and company went from A to B. Also, nobody had an issue with The Incredible Hulk or Spider-Man: Homecoming because both movies established themselves as being totally separate from what had come before - The Incredible Hulk's opening redoes the origin story and tells is very differently from the Ang Lee film. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 saw Peter Parker graduate from High School, in his MCU debut in Captain America: Civil War he is still in High School and he and Aunt May do not live in a house of their own they reside in an apartment complex. Except they do, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has established a series of movies and television programming which act as pieces of the same puzzle - whatever happens in one movie is continued down the road and or acknowledged in some way. Nobody expected the X-Men to appear in either Infinity War or Endgame because they knew from past MCU and X-Men related content that the two worlds simply are not one in the same and do not play into each other at all.
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