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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 27, 2019 1:21:11 GMT
No he didn't. Please quote exactly what Banner said where he supposedly confirms that someone can't change the future. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they couldn't change the past. So Banner confirmed that everything in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to choose a different path. You mean like how Arthur MUST defeat Orm, and he MUST take the throne. Sounds like Arthur's future is pre-determined and doesn't have free will in Aquaman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 1:23:07 GMT
About the DCEU, I don't know if it follows that Zeus created mankind and gave them free will and choice, especially if it's based on something Diana glimpsed at. For all we know, Zeus only gave human beings the tools to conclude they have free will.
The two universes don't sound that dissimilar. For all we know, we don't even have free will.
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Post by dazz on Jun 27, 2019 1:24:57 GMT
... those carnival rides for little kiddies, where the car can weave back and forth along a fixed track, but the destination is always the same. If you're destine to do something in the DCEU, you will eventually do it. You have no choice. That is what destiny means. Once again, you've proven that you don't understand simple concepts. Destiny doesn't mean it's set in stone. If it were set in stone, then there would've been no reason for Andromeda to be chained to the rock to be sacrificed to the Kraken because Perseus' destiny was to defeat the Kraken. But Perseus still has the free will whether or not to choose to face the Kraken and the people of Argos don't know for sure (1) if Perseus would choose to face the Kraken and (2) if Perseus can even defeat the Kraken, since no one and nothing had been able to defeat the Kraken yet. Heck, if Perseus had made just 1 mistake against Medusa, then Perseus would've been turned to stone and wouldn't have even gotten the chance to face the Kraken. Yes it does google destiny definition and what it says is
destiny /ˈdɛstɪni/
noun noun: destiny; plural noun: destinies
the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future. "she was unable to control her own destiny"
•the hidden power believed to control future events; fate. "he believed in destiny"
Seriously learn the fucking meaning of words, also just because someone claims something is destiny doesn't make it so, that's why protagonist or antagonist often will mock someone over there "so called destiny" when they defeat them or look ready to defeat them, just because someone says it doesn't make it true, but destiny does refer to someone supposedly predetermined purpose or fate.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 27, 2019 1:31:30 GMT
With how much death and destruction we've seen in both MCU and DCEU, neither honestly. Good thing there's no death or destruction in the real world, right? Huh? Don't recall saying that the real world not having any death or destruction in it.
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Post by dazz on Jun 27, 2019 1:38:53 GMT
NO!!!
You utterly fucking braindead idiot, Banner says they cannot change THEIR past, because changing that changes the present which causes the current versions of themselves to CEASE TO EXIST, they can technically do that in theory, but doing so simply creates a time loop where they do not move past, as I have said this is why there are DIFFERENT theories on time travel, the most basic simplification for a nimrod like you is this verion 1 a FIXED Timeline is one where time cannot be altered, what you do in the past is what has always happened, it's predestined
And that confirms what I said. That is all pre-determined. Banner said they can't change the past. So that automatically means they can't change the present or the future either. Because the present and future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033. So if someone in 2023 can't change something in 2018, then that automatically means someone in 2028 can't change something in 2023 and someone in 2033 can't change something in 2028. It's simply astonishing that so many MCU fans still don't understand that simple concept. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers), in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to choose a different path. Like I said, don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers chose to write it. So if you have a complaint with that, then take that up with the Endgame writers. Oh fuck this you are too fucking stupid.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 27, 2019 3:22:27 GMT
And that confirms what I said. That is all pre-determined. Banner said they can't change the past. So that automatically means they can't change the present or the future either. Because the present and future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033. So if someone in 2023 can't change something in 2018, then that automatically means someone in 2028 can't change something in 2023 and someone in 2033 can't change something in 2028. It's simply astonishing that so many MCU fans still don't understand that simple concept. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers), in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to choose a different path. Like I said, don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers chose to write it. So if you have a complaint with that, then take that up with the Endgame writers. Oh fuck this you are too fucking stupid.
It's like the Russian Winter... you can't win.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 27, 2019 4:17:15 GMT
Are you therefore claiming that no human being can alter their future? Banner is claiming that no one can alter their future. Because Banner confirmed in Endgame that EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one has any free will to change their path. Don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers wrote it. You're just plain wrong. The past is completely different to the present or future, period. To insist otherwise just continues to prove your utter stupidity. Like I said, don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers wrote it. Banner confirmed that they can't change the past. So that automatically means that the present and future also can't be changed and are already pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one has any free will to change their path. Because (and it's simply astonishing that you MCU fans still don't understand this simple concept) past, present, and future are all just relative points. 1 person's future is another person's past. So when Banner says that the Avengers in 2023 can't change things in 2018, then that also means that someone in 2028 can't change things in 2023 and someone in 2033 can't change things in 2028. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers), EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. This is the same reason why Strange's so-called "winning" scenario is actually a losing scenario. Because past Nebula was accessing 2023 Nebula's memories at a specific point in time. Well, if past Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at a specific point in time, then past Nebula can also access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour beyond that specific point in time. Because to past Nebula, those memories are just memories at 2 different points in time and there was no barrier established as to how far ahead in time past Nebula can access future Nebula's memories. Sure, for the audience viewing the movie for the 1st time, they don't know how Thanos would be defeated in 2023 until they reach the end of the movie. But past Nebula already knows how Thanos would be defeated long before we see the end of the movie because past Nebula doesn't have to access 2023 Nebula's memories linearly and can jump to any point in 2023 Nebula's memories. Like I explained before, it's similar to watching a movie for the 1st time in a theater vs watching a movie on DVD. In a theater, you have to watch each scene linearly from beginning to end so you don't know how it's going to end until you've gone through the beginning and the middle all the way to the end. On a DVD, you can access the end of the movie without having to go through the beginning or the middle. So like I said, 2023 Nebula's memories are just future points in time for past Nebula so past Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at any point in time. Thus past Nebula would already know how Thanos is defeated in 2023 and that means past Thanos would also know. So past Thanos wouldn't have jumped to 2023 with his entire army and instead just jumped to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. So Strange's so-called "winning" scenario is actually a losing scenario. That's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame. Thank you for admitting that you're stupid. You clearly don't understand time travel at all, or even time in general. You can't change your future because you can't change your past? What bullshit. Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or get the fuck out of here, troll.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2019 5:06:06 GMT
Banner is claiming that no one can alter their future. Because Banner confirmed in Endgame that EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one has any free will to change their path. Don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers wrote it. Like I said, don't blame me for that. That's how the Endgame writers wrote it. Banner confirmed that they can't change the past. So that automatically means that the present and future also can't be changed and are already pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one has any free will to change their path. Because (and it's simply astonishing that you MCU fans still don't understand this simple concept) past, present, and future are all just relative points. 1 person's future is another person's past. So when Banner says that the Avengers in 2023 can't change things in 2018, then that also means that someone in 2028 can't change things in 2023 and someone in 2033 can't change things in 2028. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers), EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. This is the same reason why Strange's so-called "winning" scenario is actually a losing scenario. Because past Nebula was accessing 2023 Nebula's memories at a specific point in time. Well, if past Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at a specific point in time, then past Nebula can also access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour beyond that specific point in time. Because to past Nebula, those memories are just memories at 2 different points in time and there was no barrier established as to how far ahead in time past Nebula can access future Nebula's memories. Sure, for the audience viewing the movie for the 1st time, they don't know how Thanos would be defeated in 2023 until they reach the end of the movie. But past Nebula already knows how Thanos would be defeated long before we see the end of the movie because past Nebula doesn't have to access 2023 Nebula's memories linearly and can jump to any point in 2023 Nebula's memories. Like I explained before, it's similar to watching a movie for the 1st time in a theater vs watching a movie on DVD. In a theater, you have to watch each scene linearly from beginning to end so you don't know how it's going to end until you've gone through the beginning and the middle all the way to the end. On a DVD, you can access the end of the movie without having to go through the beginning or the middle. So like I said, 2023 Nebula's memories are just future points in time for past Nebula so past Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at any point in time. Thus past Nebula would already know how Thanos is defeated in 2023 and that means past Thanos would also know. So past Thanos wouldn't have jumped to 2023 with his entire army and instead just jumped to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. So Strange's so-called "winning" scenario is actually a losing scenario. That's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame. Thank you for admitting that you're stupid. You clearly don't understand time travel at all, or even time in general. You can't change your future because you can't change your past? What bullshit. That's what Banner confirmed in Endgame. You still don't seem to understand so I'll explain it to you more slowlu. Past, present, and future are all just relative points in time. The future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 and 2033. So whatever rules apply to the past also apply to the present and the future since 1 person's future is another person's past. So there are only 2 possibilities: 1. You CAN change the past, present, and future. So Banner (and the Endgame writers) were wrong. 2. You CAN"T change the past as Banner said, which means you also CAN"T change the present or the future since the present and the future are just the past for someone in the far future. So in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to change their path. So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU?
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Post by poutinep on Jun 27, 2019 5:08:40 GMT
Thank you for admitting that you're stupid. You clearly don't understand time travel at all, or even time in general. You can't change your future because you can't change your past? What bullshit. So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? It's both. Choice is an illusion. Everything that's going to happen has already happened, only our perception of time is linear. You still don't understand Endgame's time travel rules probably because you didn't see it just like you didn't see Captain Marvel which you proved by not knowing that Goose is not a cat.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2019 5:32:22 GMT
So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? It's both.
So you're saying that Banner (and the Endgame writers) are wrong AND EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? Only 1 of those 2 possibilities can be true and the other isn't true. Regardless of which 1 of those 2 possibilities is true, the principle that must apply is that the same rules have to apply to past, present, and future since the present and future are just the past for someone in the far future. Basically, the rules can't be different for someone in the present and someone in the far future like how Pats fans claim that the laws of physics work differently on opposite sides of the football field which caused the Pats footballs to deflate by a large amount while the Colts footballs didn't deflate by a large amount.
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Post by dazz on Jun 27, 2019 5:36:28 GMT
So you're saying that Banner (and the Endgame writers) are wrong AND EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? Only 1 of those 2 possibilities can be true and the other isn't true. Regardless of which 1 of those 2 possibilities is true, the principle that must apply is that the same rules have to apply to past, present, and future since the present and future are just the past for someone in the far future. Basically, the rules can't be different for someone in the present and someone in the far future like how Pats fans claim that the laws of physics work differently on opposite sides of the football field which caused the Pats footballs to deflate by a large amount while the Colts footballs didn't deflate by a large amount. Why don't you do something constructive and stick your head in a blender and hit frappe, not like you could get any dumber, hell could actually stimulate some life into those rotten things you call your braincells.
Dear god you are an annoying cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunt.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 27, 2019 5:40:56 GMT
Thank you for admitting that you're stupid. You clearly don't understand time travel at all, or even time in general. You can't change your future because you can't change your past? What bullshit. That's what Banner confirmed in Endgame. You still don't seem to understand so I'll explain it to you more slowlu. Past, present, and future are all just relative points in time. The future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 and 2033. So whatever rules apply to the past also apply to the present and the future since 1 person's future is another person's past. So there are only 2 possibilities: 1. You CAN change the past, present, and future. So Banner (and the Endgame writers) were wrong. 2. You CAN"T change the past as Banner said, which means you also CAN"T change the present or the future since the present and the future are just the past for someone in the far future. So in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to change their path. So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? So where's Banner's quote? Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're making stuff up, troll.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2019 5:49:34 GMT
That's what Banner confirmed in Endgame. You still don't seem to understand so I'll explain it to you more slowlu. Past, present, and future are all just relative points in time. The future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 and 2033. So whatever rules apply to the past also apply to the present and the future since 1 person's future is another person's past. So there are only 2 possibilities: 1. You CAN change the past, present, and future. So Banner (and the Endgame writers) were wrong. 2. You CAN"T change the past as Banner said, which means you also CAN"T change the present or the future since the present and the future are just the past for someone in the far future. So in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to change their path. So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? So where's Banner's quote? Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're making stuff up, troll. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 27, 2019 6:19:22 GMT
So where's Banner's quote? Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're making stuff up, troll. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Oh I blame you completely for lying through your teeth and making stuff up. If he said it in Endgame then it shouldn't be too hard for you to quote exactly what he said. So come on then, troll. Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're a liar making stuff up.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2019 6:22:04 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. If he said it in Endgame then it shouldn't be too hard for you to quote exactly what he said. So come on then, troll. Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're a liar making stuff up. I didn't make anything up. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 27, 2019 6:30:57 GMT
That's what Banner confirmed in Endgame. You still don't seem to understand so I'll explain it to you more slowlu. Past, present, and future are all just relative points in time. The future to someone in 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 and 2033. So whatever rules apply to the past also apply to the present and the future since 1 person's future is another person's past. So there are only 2 possibilities: 1. You CAN change the past, present, and future. So Banner (and the Endgame writers) were wrong. 2. You CAN"T change the past as Banner said, which means you also CAN"T change the present or the future since the present and the future are just the past for someone in the far future. So in MCU EVERYTHING is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has the free will to change their path. So which is it? Is Banner (and the Endgame writers) wrong OR is EVERYTHING in MCU already pre-determined and set in stone and there's no free will in MCU? So where's Banner's quote? Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're making stuff up, troll. I found the clip where Banner is explaining time travel to Rhodey, and no where does Banner says their future is predetermined. So yeah, it's confirmed that DC-Fan is completely making it up, and is just trolling.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2019 7:01:20 GMT
So where's Banner's quote? Either quote the exact words of Banner where he claims their future is predetermined or admit that you're making stuff up, troll. I found the clip where Banner is explaining time travel to Rhodey, and no where does Banner says their future is predetermined. So yeah, it's confirmed that DC-Fan is completely making it up, and is just trolling. Yes, he does say it. You've just confirmed with that video. Banner says "Changing the past doesn't change the future." Well, for someone in 2028 or 2033 or later, 2023 IS the past. So according to Banner, 2023 can't be changed and thus 2023 is already pre-determined and set in stone. So I didn't make it up. According to Banner (and the Endgame writers) and the video that you've posted, EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone so no one has any free will to change their path in MCU. Thanks for proving that I'm correct once again. And like I said before, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, take it up witht eh Endgame writers.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 27, 2019 7:09:02 GMT
I found the clip where Banner is explaining time travel to Rhodey, and no where does Banner says their future is predetermined. So yeah, it's confirmed that DC-Fan is completely making it up, and is just trolling. Yes, he does say it. You've just confirmed with that video. Banner says "Changing the past doesn't change the future." Well, for someone in 2028 or 2033 or later, 2023 IS the past. So according to Banner, 2023 can't be changed and thus 2023 is already pre-determined and set in stone. So I didn't make it up. According to Banner (and the Endgame writers) and the video that you've posted, EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone so no one has any free will to change their path in MCU. Thanks for proving that I'm correct once again. And like I said before, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, take it up witht eh Endgame writers. Sorry, but I just proved you wrong you dumb moron. Professor Hulk also says "If you travel to the past, then your past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't changed by your new future." That means everybody in the MCU still has a future. You're just creating a new future for yourself by traveling back in time.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 27, 2019 7:29:17 GMT
Yes, he does say it. You've just confirmed with that video. Banner says "Changing the past doesn't change the future." Well, for someone in 2028 or 2033 or later, 2023 IS the past. So according to Banner, 2023 can't be changed and thus 2023 is already pre-determined and set in stone. So I didn't make it up. According to Banner (and the Endgame writers) and the video that you've posted, EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone so no one has any free will to change their path in MCU. Thanks for proving that I'm correct once again. And like I said before, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, take it up witht eh Endgame writers. Sorry, but I just proved you wrong you dumb moron. Professor Hulk also says "If you travel to the past, then your past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't changed by your new future." That means everybody in the MCU still has a future. You're just creating a new future for yourself by traveling back in time. Don't bother, he still thinks Back to the future is a documentary and this is the exact scientific way that time travel works
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 27, 2019 8:51:11 GMT
Don't know if this was brought up, but how can a universe have a predetermined destiny when one scenario alone had over 14 million outcomes? DC doesn't have branching timelines. They only have 52 different Earths.
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