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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2019 0:38:09 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves".
Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices.
By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices.
I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 26, 2019 1:23:24 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves". Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices. I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in? Isn't the DCEU predetermined since Barry goes back in time to tell them to get to a certain place? Also, isn't this just a disguised question so you can rank on the MCU? Do better. Just drop the facade and make the thread about the MCU being predetermined.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 26, 2019 1:42:43 GMT
With how much death and destruction we've seen in both MCU and DCEU, neither honestly.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 26, 2019 1:48:01 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves". Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices. I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in? Isn't the DCEU predetermined since Barry goes back in time to tell them to get to a certain place? If the Flash goes back in time to tell them how to change the past and they do that, then that means they had the free will to choose a different path (or destiny). So the answer is No, the DCEU isn't predetermined. Also, isn't this just a disguised question so you can rank on the MCU? No, this is just a question about whether people here prefer to live in a universe like DCEU where every individual has free will to make their own choices or a universe like MCU where everything is already pre-destined and set in stone and no one has any free will to make their own choices.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 26, 2019 1:55:20 GMT
What is a 'uinverse'?
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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2019 1:59:55 GMT
Well no shit a demigod cannot alter humans very make up especially given she herself is no fucking different, one of the things I dislike about the movie is they seemingly drop this great thread through the movie, that Diana is the exact same way as she describes mankind at the end of the movie, she's aggressive, thirsts for battle, is petty and violent, arrogant and reckless, and it's only by her rising above that does she find the power to defeat Ares, so fucking disappointing. Also how is the MCU predetermined? it's not it's literally the same as real life, any choice you make can alter the future of events, if you can perceive these choices and what can lead to one from the next you can reasonably predict the outcome, which is actually a theory that is plausible in our own reality, that if you can know the exact placement and trajectory of every molecule or atom or whatever in the universe at any time you could predict the future , it's just their is so much randomness and such a vast amount of shit you need to know to do this it's impossible to do so...hence time stone. The fact everything isn't predetermined in the MCU is shown by the various timelines created in Endgame, again you simply do not understand time travel theories you fucking goober. MCU is a multiverse, not a fixed or dynamic timeline look at the picture below and see if it helps as I know words are a little difficult for you, you utter spanner.  |
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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2019 2:03:43 GMT
It's what you shout through your mate Verse's letterbox at half 1 in the morning when you are schnockered and the pubs have kicked you out but you want to keep drinking. 
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 26, 2019 2:52:51 GMT
I'd rather live in the universe where the heroes aren't bloodthirsty murdering pyschopaths like Batman and Superman.
So MCU.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 26, 2019 3:11:22 GMT
I'd rather live in the universe where the heroes aren't bloodthirsty murdering pyschopaths like Batman and Superman. So MCU. Most of the heroes in the MCU have no qualms about killing. Tony even installed an “Instant Kill” feature in a 15 year old boy’s suit! That’t not a dig at the MCU, by the way.
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Post by dazz on Jun 26, 2019 4:17:35 GMT
I'd rather live in the universe where the heroes aren't bloodthirsty murdering pyschopaths like Batman and Superman. So MCU. Most of the heroes in the MCU have no qualms about killing. Tony even installed an “Instant Kill” feature in a 15 year old boy’s suit! That’t not a dig at the MCU, by the way. They kill out of necessity, Batman, Wonder Woman hell Aquaman they killed just for the lolz, Batman was straight up murderous in BVS, only time an MCU hero was such was ok well 3 occasions, Thor in his first movie before 2 days on earth gave him clarity that thousands of years of life in Asguard never did...that's so stupid...and when T'Challa though Bucky killed his father and when Tony learned Bucky did kill his mother & father...no wait Gamora is pretty murderous, Groot's kinda psychotic, as is Nebula, Drax is straight up fucking nuts and murder, and Peter shot his own father point b lank in the face...ok all these heroes are murderous bastard, and I love them all 
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Post by scabab on Jun 26, 2019 5:39:17 GMT
The My Little Pony Universe.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 26, 2019 5:39:48 GMT
The universes are not different in that way because those are just two different opinions on free will v determinism, not objective reality.
The concept of determinism says that we make choices and that these choices are pre-determined by our sense of logic and our experiences. You're saying there are two different universes but they're the same, you're just giving a different perspective on each but are too dumb to realize it LOL.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 26, 2019 6:04:03 GMT
I'd rather live in the universe where the heroes aren't bloodthirsty murdering pyschopaths like Batman and Superman. So MCU. Most of the heroes in the MCU have no qualms about killing. Tony even installed an “Instant Kill” feature in a 15 year old boy’s suit! That’t not a dig at the MCU, by the way. I'm just joking btw. I was just answering in a way DC-Fan would. If Captain America is a tyrant, then Batman and Superman are psychopaths.  But I would choose MCU over DCEU
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Post by sostie on Jun 26, 2019 8:39:27 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves". Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices. I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in? That's interesting considering you claimed in the past "Diana is the Godkiller so her destiny is to face and defeat Ares"...looks like in the universe of "free will" her destiny is pre-determined
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Post by damngumby on Jun 26, 2019 9:03:47 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves". Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices. I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in? Your premise is wrong. (No big surprise there) I'd rather live in a universe that is alive and kickin'. The DCEU universe is dead.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 26, 2019 9:17:35 GMT
At the end of Wonder Woman, Diana says "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves". Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. By contrast, the MCU takes the opposite approach. In the MCU, everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices. I think that a universe in which everyone's destiny is already pre-determined and no one has any free will to make their own choices is a universe without any hope because you can't strive for better things since your destiny has already been set in stone. So which universe woud you prefer to live in? That's interesting considering you claimed in the past "Diana is the Godkiller so her destiny is to face and defeat Ares"...looks like in the universe of "free will" her destiny is pre-determined So, the DCEU has destiny. Wonder Woman had no free will to avoid a confrontation with Ares. And just like that, another DC-Fraud thread goes poof!
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Post by politicidal on Jun 26, 2019 12:11:24 GMT
Doctor Strange would know so I’d go with the MCU. |
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Post by sostie on Jun 26, 2019 12:28:12 GMT
Basically, Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will and free choice. Some people choose to be good and some people choose to be evil. But each person has the free will to make that choice for themselves and not even a demigod like Diana can make that choice for them. So in the DCEU, every individual has free will to make their own choices. Well that will be an eventful "universe" where every established religion is told their beliefs over thousands of years have been a lie. Athiests won't be too happy either.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 26, 2019 13:11:52 GMT
Isn't the DCEU predetermined since Barry goes back in time to tell them to get to a certain place? If the Flash goes back in time to tell them how to change the past and they do that, then that means they had the free will to choose a different path (or destiny). So the answer is No, the DCEU isn't predetermined. Also, isn't this just a disguised question so you can rank on the MCU? No, this is just a question about whether people here prefer to live in a universe like DCEU where every individual has free will to make their own choices or a universe like MCU where everything is already pre-destined and set in stone and no one has any free will to make their own choices. Liar.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 26, 2019 13:20:03 GMT
Get over it, no one wants to live in the DCEU  |
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