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Post by Salzmank on Feb 22, 2017 21:38:38 GMT
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Feb 23, 2017 4:09:49 GMT
In short, more leads to possibly track down for information on who did vocals.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 24, 2017 2:58:54 GMT
Unfortunately, this is more of a "bump" than anything, but, just to let you know...
With all my regular e-mailing of people--still no response yet from either D'Arc or Warner Bros.--I found a "forensic musicologist" who researches this kind of stuff for a living. I e-mailed him, and he sent me back a quick reply, but in essence he said he was too busy to look into this right now. Oh, well, it was worth a shot, right?
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Feb 24, 2017 15:09:11 GMT
Unfortunately, this is more of a "bump" than anything, but, just to let you know... With all my regular e-mailing of people--still no response yet from either D'Arc or Warner Bros.--I found a "forensic musicologist" who researches this kind of stuff for a living. I e-mailed him, and he sent me back a quick reply, but in essence he said he was too busy to look into this right now. Oh, well, it was worth a shot, right? I'd take "I'm too busy to take a look into this" as a possible admission they wouldn't have a clue either. |
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 24, 2017 16:46:19 GMT
Well, to be fair to him, his actual words were
"Many thanks for getting in touch. Alas if only I had the hours in the day to research every interesting example in the world! I wish you well with your search - it’s a fascinating question,"
but you may very well be right. I'm just annoyed that neither D'Arc nor Warner Bros. has got back to me yet. I would have thought at least Warner Bros.--they said "in under five business days," and it has now been three, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for a reply over the next two business days.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 27, 2017 2:09:49 GMT
This is essentially just another "bump," but...
I might as well write that I've received nothing from anyone I've e-mailed as of yet. Or, in other words, so much for Warner Bros.' "five days." Make of that what you may.
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Post by mattjoes on Feb 27, 2017 16:16:04 GMT
Hello, I think this is very, very strong evidence to suggest the songs were especifically re-recorded for the film. Maybe I'm not saying anything extraordinary here, but it's probably worth asking oneself why the filmmakers would want to use such an obscure version of a song in the movie. Wouldn't the original version be preferrable? If not, would it be because of the cost of licensing it or because of the need for it to match the dialogue and sound effects? Then, would the filmmakers go to the trouble of looking at tons of versions of Anything Goes until running into the one that was cheaper or that fit the film? Or would they just get the rights to re-record it (cheaper than getting an existing version) and have someone re-arrange and re-record them for the film? About the cost of the re-recording itself, look at this: (SOURCE: www.robin-hoffmann.com/tutorials/guide-to-working-with-a-film-composer/6-music-budget/)10-20 minutes per session. With this in mind, it's not unfeasible to think the benefits of re-arranging and re-recording could outweigh the money and time (= more money) required to find an suitable existing version. As you know, the IMDb lists Gary Hughes as music arranger for songs. He's uncredited in the film, but I think it's clear the credit implies he did the Cole Porter re-recordings. That's a lead to follow. Hughes has passed away, but I wonder if there's a way of finding out who submitted that information to the IMDb... Just one other point. I contacted IMDb to ask if they had any information about the person who had submitted Hughes's name, but they were wildly unhelpful. I understand their not giving out private contact information, even if they have it, but they wouldn't even respond to my question if Jim Marshall, who wrote the biography on Hughes's IMDb page, were an IMDb employee! Well, no big surprise, really, but it was worth a shot! |
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 27, 2017 19:02:24 GMT
Interestingly, Bartlesby, I think the arrangement is rather close, if it were slowed down a bit, but I don't think that, even slowed down, the vocals are the same. A very good lead, though... I wonder if whoever created the songs for Sleuth (because, for a number of factors, we're pretty darn' sure they were created for the movie) took inspiration from this arrangement and Frank Luther's vocals! Thanks! |
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 27, 2017 19:33:06 GMT
Just one other point. I contacted IMDb to ask if they had any information about the person who had submitted Hughes's name, but they were wildly unhelpful. I understand their not giving out private contact information, even if they have it, but they wouldn't even respond to my question if Jim Marshall, who wrote the biography on Hughes's IMDb page, were an IMDb employee! Well, no big surprise, really, but it was worth a shot! Always--everything's worth a shot! Thanks, Mattjoes. |
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 14, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
OK, just want to let everyone following this mystery know--
I haven't yet received a response from D'Arc, but I just tried e-mailing him again and received one of those auto-response messages, saying, "James D'Arc is currently Away."
Nothing much, but thought I'd let you all know.
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 15, 2017 16:22:00 GMT
Hey, everyone—
Jackpot!
I just received an e-mail from D'Arc. He states that, while this request is unusual and he normally couldn't do anything without my being a patron of the BYU library, because the mystery has been going on so long and he's curious about it now, he's going to start investigating anyway.
So, uh—how's that for news?
Of course, he may not discover anything and we'll have to go back to the drawing board once again, but it's a definite step in the right direction!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 15, 2017 18:06:57 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on Mar 15, 2017 21:09:42 GMT
Thanks for your researching into this mystery, Carl, but, as a dedicated Nat King Cole fan, I don't think he's the one. Thanks again, though! By the way, let me celebrate your choice of user name--"Big C, small a, small r, small l..."! It's a Gift is one of my favorites, though I like just about everything Fields ever did. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 18, 2017 4:39:20 GMT
Always fun to follow a serialized mystery and this one appears to be a doozey !
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 3, 2017 18:17:51 GMT
By the way, I'm sure this goes without saying, but still no news from James D'Arc (since the last message) yet.
I had been hoping for some kind of response.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 12, 2017 7:03:01 GMT
When I first heard this I immediately thought of Al Bowlly and the Ray Noble Orchestra. He was contemporary with Cole Porter until his (Bowlly's) unfortunate demise in an air-raid in London 1941. But I can't find any recordings he made of the required songs...yet. So maybe it's someone imitating him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0kAvTLibVg&t=760s |
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Apr 12, 2017 11:50:03 GMT
By the way, I'm sure this goes without saying, but still no news from James D'Arc (since the last message) yet. I had been hoping for some kind of response. Perhaps there's a few Facebook pages or groups, even sites, who have members with similar talents (recognizing vocals) who might be able to assist? |
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 18, 2017 0:40:43 GMT
tarathian123, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner: I've been away for Easter. (Hope you had a nice Easter, by the way!) Bowlly is a favorite singer of mine and one of my first guesses, too, but I talked to a few musical experts and they told me they were almost certain it was a contemporary singer. Some of the reasons were articulated here by Lyncounion (who has not responded to any of my attempts at contact). Thanks for everything, as always. carlcarlson1, I may try that, but I suppose I'm becoming a bit tired at this point. Yes, I want this mystery to be solved, and to have an answer, but one spends all this time on it--and why? My puzzle-centered mind, probably, is to blame, and this question is certainly not major in the order of things. I suppose I'm a little discouraged, to be perfectly honest. But my thanks for your suggestions. Much appreciated.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 23, 2017 14:13:50 GMT
Another unlikely possibility is Rudy Vallée, either with his Connecticut Yankees, or with other bands. Required songs not on any discography of his I've yet studied, but he also did radio programmes. You could try... www.vintageradioclassics.com/vintageradioclassics/broadcast/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fleischmann%27s_Yeast_Hour...but then I partially agree with "Lyncounion" when he writes "I'm pretty certain these are modern recordings". If they're not specifically studio-recorded for the film, the question is ...how modern? They're certainly not original recordings from the late 20s to mid-30s, until decent microphonic techniques started to develop. The Sleuth recordings could be anywhere from I'd say 1938. One big give-away to it being a modern (studio) recording is the "closeness" and the clarity of the piano within the orchestra. It could have been performed by one of the British bands of the 70s, as it was filmed at Athelhampton House, Athelhampton, Dorset, England. There were some around at the time which imitated old swing bands of the 20s-40s, one was The Temperance Seven, although I doubt it's them (a different line-up and style to what we're looking for). www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0UdkKH-0EsBetween 1965 and 1975 I was in the Irish Showband scene... www.irish-showbands.com/www.irish-showbands.com/showbands.htm...which was a different "animal", and itself was on the decline, due to the onset of discos etc. There has been a renewed interest in recent years, but now I'm too long in the tooth. :-) The reason I mention the Showbands is that most were very adaptable in many styles of music, from swing to country. Any one of a hundred bands could have been used. It could be a recording of one of the British swing bands of the 40-50s, but I'm familiar with the styles of most of them, so I guess not. I'll keep looking, but as yet a made-for-purpose recording seems to be favourite. Especially as it's usual for a production to attribute any outside recordings used in a movie. I really can't see a big-name band's recording being used without mention. I did have a fleeting idea that the singer was a woman with a low-register voice (e.g. Ethel Mermon) but it didn't last long. I notice from IMDb that there is one guy from the movie's sound department who is still alive and active. Graham V. Hartstone, and who is currently working on the movie Mercury (2018). Grasping at straws but... Has anyone thought of asking Michael Caine? The search goes on... |
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