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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 4:21:54 GMT
I recommend watching the episodes in order, especially after you get into Season 2. That's when they REALLY went nuts with the world building. Is it on any kind of streaming service? If so I'll add it to my list. (I'm actually in the midst of a Batman: TAS rewatch on Amazon. Just watched "Harley and Ivy," one of my favorite episodes, yesterday...) The whole series is available on YouTube.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 23, 2017 4:27:27 GMT
Is it on any kind of streaming service? If so I'll add it to my list. (I'm actually in the midst of a Batman: TAS rewatch on Amazon. Just watched "Harley and Ivy," one of my favorite episodes, yesterday...) The whole series is available on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 4:46:35 GMT
I'm sure you'll be a busy little bee for the foreseeable future!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 23, 2017 4:51:00 GMT
How many years did that show run? Like five?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 5:14:16 GMT
How many years did that show run? Like five? It ran three two seasons. The first had 13 episodes and the second had 52 that ran on weekdays (yes, really). The showrunner was Greg Weisman and the Head Writer was Michael Reaves. It was a dark, inventive series that was not afraid to go to some pretty grim places and tackle some mature schemes. It also delivered its morals in a fashionably subdued manner that didn't talk down to its young audiences. Then despite its high ratings and popularity, Disney got cold feet and took it away from the original creative team, bringing us the crappy third season, The Goliath Chronicles. There is no third season. It never happened.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 23, 2017 9:17:25 GMT
How many years did that show run? Like five? It ran three two seasons. The first had 13 episodes and the second had 52 that ran on weekdays (yes, really). The showrunner was Greg Weisman and the Head Writer was Michael Reaves. It was a dark, inventive series that was not afraid to go to some pretty grim places and tackle some mature schemes. It also delivered its morals in a fashionably subdued manner that didn't talk down to its young audiences. Then despite its high ratings and popularity, Disney got cold feet and took it away from the original creative team, bringing us the crappy third season, The Goliath Chronicles. There is no third season. It never happened.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 25, 2017 17:12:11 GMT
The problem DC is facing isn't just a series of rather bad films or losing money.
It's that 10 years of kids have now grown up with Marvel being the clear brand name in comics. And if another 10 years go by, DC will be in a position of being nearly unrecoverable.
I know it's hard for you to imagine that Superman could not be a relevant character, or Batman. But seriously imagine for one moment, that you're 7 years old. Captain America, Iron Man, Thor are everywhere from the time you can remember school until the day you graduate, and all you know is that there were some shitty Superman films with some other guys you didn't pay much attention to. You didn't grow up with Christopher Reeve, he wasn't even alive, and you don't care about those films all that much. You didn't grow up with all the classic comic book stories either, and The Dark Knight was before your time. All you know about comics is that the MCU got you into them, and you went to see film after film every few months, while watching your favorite Netflix characters and Agents of Shield in between.
If another 10 years go by, you will have almost 2 generations of children who think of Marvel first, and of DC as that older company that used to be a big deal. Kind of like how you think of Netflix instead of Blockbuster video, or Home Depot instead of Ace Hardware. Yes, big companies do fall into obscurity as difficult as it is to accept that in the here and now.
I'm not joking. Imagine being 10 right now. It's all Marvel for you right now and always will be. How many more years can DC afford to lose forever? I never thought about it like this but you do have a point. When I talk to some of my friends with kids, they all tell me that their kids are very much into MCU characters. Some don't say MCU specifically, some say Avengers or simply state "Thor, Hulk or Captain America". And it's because the MCU movies are all the rage nowadays. DCU movies (and even FOX superhero movies) will seem a bit too dragging and boring for majority of kids. I also don't see many kids dressing up as Wolverine, Mystique or Batman anymore in Halloween, not like they used to do in my generation (well maybe not Mystique but the rest of the X-men). But you'll see loads of MCU costumes, and that goes all the way to the adults as well. I've seen more female Loki costumes in comic cons than I've seen Superman and Batman costumes (both male and female) put together in the last half decade.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 26, 2017 1:58:57 GMT
I never thought about it like this but you do have a point. When I talk to some of my friends with kids, they all tell me that their kids are very much into MCU characters. Some don't say MCU specifically, some say Avengers or simply state "Thor, Hulk or Captain America". And it's because the MCU movies are all the rage nowadays. DCU movies (and even FOX superhero movies) will seem a bit too dragging and boring for majority of kids. I also don't see many kids dressing up as Wolverine, Mystique or Batman anymore in Halloween, not like they used to do in my generation (well maybe not Mystique but the rest of the X-men). But you'll see loads of MCU costumes, and that goes all the way to the adults as well. I've seen more female Loki costumes in comic cons than I've seen Superman and Batman costumes (both male and female) put together in the last half decade. Thank you for the response.
It is one of those things that isn't obvious, but feels like one of those things your parents might say, like how 8 tracks used to be a big deal. And then you wake up to realize nobody under 30 gives a damn about Superman anymore and you wonder how that happened. I think it's happening now if they don't get their shit together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 2:03:12 GMT
Get help.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 26, 2017 2:08:11 GMT
Just being honest, but thanks for bumping the thread D.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 26, 2017 17:50:18 GMT
His thesis has been challenged for pages. He is still assuming that a kid will watch nothing but MCU movies every year like him. It hasn't been challenged successfully though.
The point still remains that the MCU is far more prominent, and if that goes on for a long enough period of time, you will have entire generations who think of Marvel as the main comic franchise.
DC already knows this which is why their trying to so hard to "catch up". I'm not even sure what you're challenging about that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 18:05:11 GMT
His thesis has been challenged for pages. He is still assuming that a kid will watch nothing but MCU movies every year like him. In what way? I Don't see anything disproving it.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 26, 2017 22:24:55 GMT
His thesis has been challenged for pages. He is still assuming that a kid will watch nothing but MCU movies every year like him. He does have a point though. A 10 yr old kid would have been born in 2007 which means he/she would not have had any good DC movies that would have made an impression. The kid would have been too young to appreciate TDK, TDKR and Watchmen, and the rest of the DC movies aren't really going to be a sell for most kids. Marvel on the other hand have been pumping out movies at least once a year and the kid would have grown up with that, creating fond, nostalgic memories that they'll carry into adulthood. The only way kids that age would have gotten into DC would be either comics or animations. But it still won't have quite the same impact as the MCU big blockbustders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 23:56:46 GMT
The problem DC is facing isn't just a series of rather bad films or losing money.
It's that 10 years of kids have now grown up with Marvel being the clear brand name in comics. And if another 10 years go by, DC will be in a position of being nearly unrecoverable.
I know it's hard for you to imagine that Superman could not be a relevant character, or Batman. But seriously imagine for one moment, that you're 7 years old. Captain America, Iron Man, Thor are everywhere from the time you can remember school until the day you graduate, and all you know is that there were some shitty Superman films with some other guys you didn't pay much attention to. You didn't grow up with Christopher Reeve, he wasn't even alive, and you don't care about those films all that much. You didn't grow up with all the classic comic book stories either, and The Dark Knight was before your time. All you know about comics is that the MCU got you into them, and you went to see film after film every few months, while watching your favorite Netflix characters and Agents of Shield in between.
If another 10 years go by, you will have almost 2 generations of children who think of Marvel first, and of DC as that older company that used to be a big deal. Kind of like how you think of Netflix instead of Blockbuster video, or Home Depot instead of Ace Hardware. Yes, big companies do fall into obscurity as difficult as it is to accept that in the here and now.
I'm not joking. Imagine being 10 right now. It's all Marvel for you right now and always will be. How many more years can DC afford to lose forever? This post is excellent proof that being more popular at the box office or having made more movies does not make one company better than the other. Anyway, I highly doubt DC Comics will have the same fate like companies like Blockbuster or Ace Hardwire or experience anything like that. If anything, it'll be Marvel who fade into obscurity as their crazy monopoly on the film industry and massive quantity will finally catch up with them one day. In 50-60 something years, the MCU films will be viewed the same way people view all Hanna Barbara cartoons that were popular in the 20th century these days. Silly, cartoonish, derivative stuff that was made to appeal to children and cash in on the Hanna Barbara name (not my opinion of course). Or they will view Marvel the way people view Kiss as a sincere Rock 'N' Roll band. Besides, how do you know what kids actually prefer? Do you sneek in their rooms at night and go through their closets? Do you follow them on the school bus every morning and afternoon? You sound like a really weird and creepy person.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 27, 2017 11:48:22 GMT
I never thought about it like this but you do have a point. When I talk to some of my friends with kids, they all tell me that their kids are very much into MCU characters. Some don't say MCU specifically, some say Avengers or simply state "Thor, Hulk or Captain America". And it's because the MCU movies are all the rage nowadays. DCU movies (and even FOX superhero movies) will seem a bit too dragging and boring for majority of kids. I also don't see many kids dressing up as Wolverine, Mystique or Batman anymore in Halloween, not like they used to do in my generation (well maybe not Mystique but the rest of the X-men). But you'll see loads of MCU costumes, and that goes all the way to the adults as well. I've seen more female Loki costumes in comic cons than I've seen Superman and Batman costumes (both male and female) put together in the last half decade. your logical fallacy is anectotal and texas sharpshooting. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
I see children and manchildren with Bats or Supes logos etc every day, and feel genuinly embarrassed for the latter. I have never seen Marvel characters except for Spiderboy. But then again see first sentence.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 27, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
This post is excellent proof that being more popular at the box office or having made more movies does not make one company better than the other. Anyway, I highly doubt DC Comics will have the same fate like companies like Blockbuster or Ace Hardwire or experience anything like that. If anything, it'll be Marvel who fade into obscurity as their crazy monopoly on the film industry and massive quantity will finally catch up with them one day. In 50-60 something years, the MCU films will be viewed the same way people view all Hanna Barbara cartoons that were popular in the 20th century these days. Silly, cartoonish, derivative stuff that was made to appeal to children and cash in on the Hanna Barbara name (not my opinion of course). Or they will view Marvel the way people view Kiss as a sincere Rock 'N' Roll band. Besides, how do you know what kids actually prefer? Do you sneek in their rooms at night and go through their closets? Do you follow them on the school bus every morning and afternoon? You sound like a really weird and creepy person. Well it's definitely not proof that DC is better,
And if you think the MCU is just silly and cartoonish, you haven't paid much attention. I'll direct you to the opening scene of Guardians, Steve exhausted over a beaten Tony, Black Widow's key moments of genuine fear, all of Daredevil, etc. The MCU will be looked at as one of the greatest achievements in film history.
I know what kids prefer because I see toy aisles and beach supplies that have marvel characters everywhere. And my wife teaches second grade. But sure, suggest I follow them on the school bus. Because reasons.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 27, 2017 15:36:19 GMT
your logical fallacy is anectotal and texas sharpshooting. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
I see children and manchildren with Bats or Supes logos etc every day, and feel genuinly embarrassed for the latter. I have never seen Marvel characters except for Spiderboy. But then again see first sentence.
That's weird. I see people in Marvel shirts all the time. Cap shirts, Entire roster shirts, Marvel logo shirts, Stark industry logos on cars and laptops, etc.
Anybody can go to a department store and you'll immediately notice there are far more marvel toys, beach towels, and shirts, than there are for DC, so you can stop pretending.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 27, 2017 16:09:09 GMT
your logical fallacy is anectotal and texas sharpshooting. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
I see children and manchildren with Bats or Supes logos etc every day, and feel genuinly embarrassed for the latter. I have never seen Marvel characters except for Spiderboy. But then again see first sentence.
That's weird. I see people in Marvel shirts all the time. Cap shirts, Entire roster shirts, Marvel logo shirts, Stark industry logos on cars and laptops, etc.
Anybody can go to a department store and you'll immediately notice there are far more marvel toys, beach towels, and shirts, than there are for DC, so you can stop pretending.
dude I do not doubt taht, the core argument is not which perception is correct, the argument is that of anectotal and of biased fallacies: these are per se invalid kiddy arguments. Now, if there were objective data or studies checking sales on DC or Marvel costumes and appareil within the last few decades, we might have solid facts as an assessment base. Btw you as OP claimant would have to provide this evidence or you commit a burden of proof fallacy... For the record, I loath DC as much as Marvel, or any other beefcake-in-tights power fantasies for little boys and the emotionally underdeveloped. But from my empirical experience, I predict (i) that the superhero bubble will burst relatively soon due to oversaturation, and (ii) as always the taste will cyclically shift towards darker/grittier material again, and as a result only the real superstars amongst superheroes will remain relevant in the public eye, ie Bats, Supes and Spidey (the others are all second tier, unknown to the grown-up general public).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 27, 2017 17:23:57 GMT
dude I do not doubt taht, the core argument is not which perception is correct, the argument is that of anectotal and of biased fallacies: these are per se invalid kiddy arguments. Now, if there were objective data or studies checking sales on DC or Marvel costumes and appareil within the last few decades, we might have solid facts as an assessment base. Btw you as OP claimant would have to provide this evidence or you commit a burden of proof fallacy... For the record, I loath DC as much as Marvel, or any other beefcake-in-tights power fantasies for little boys and the emotionally underdeveloped. But from my empirical experience, I predict (i) that the superhero bubble will burst relatively soon due to oversaturation, and (ii) as always the taste will cyclically shift towards darker/grittier material again, and as a result only the real superstars amongst superheroes will remain relevant in the public eye, ie Bats, Supes and Spidey (the others are all second tier, unknown to the grown-up general public).
If you want more detailed data, then just look it up, but I've already suggested more Marvel merchandise can be found on any shelf. That isn't because it sells less.
Your prediction that the super hero bubble will burst has been going on for 15 years. I predict if lasts another 30 years, you'll still be ready to say you were right when it finally does.
And supes is a second tier character. It's why his movies don't sell any better than Doctor Strange, and that will continue to be the trend, because everybody basically realizes he's boring. There isn't going to be a day where Superman is back on top. He's only relevant in the same way somebody like Babe Ruth is. We get he was a big deal in the past, but that's about as far as it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 17:45:07 GMT
your logical fallacy is anectotal and texas sharpshooting. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
I see children and manchildren with Bats or Supes logos etc every day, and feel genuinly embarrassed for the latter. I have never seen Marvel characters except for Spiderboy. But then again see first sentence.
That's weird. I see people in Marvel shirts all the time. Cap shirts, Entire roster shirts, Marvel logo shirts, Stark industry logos on cars and laptops, etc.
Anybody can go to a department store and you'll immediately notice there are far more marvel toys, beach towels, and shirts, than there are for DC, so you can stop pretending.
That's because he's lying. Anyone with half a brain can see there's more kids and adults wearing Marvel logo-shirts than DC. He's basically just being a troll.
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