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Post by formersamhmd on May 10, 2017 19:30:10 GMT
If any of that were true, they'd have ditched the Matrix Knock-off outfits a decade ago. They maintain them because the people in charge just dislike the source material and don't want to do anything true to the comics. Any discussion with Singer will show that. Then cite one. Singer told the cast not to read the comics because he didn't think the had any character to them. He made his feelings clear in X1.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 10, 2017 19:37:34 GMT
Singer told the cast not to read the comics because he didn't think the had any character to them. He made his feelings clear in X1. That's not a citation.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 10, 2017 22:25:17 GMT
Singer told the cast not to read the comics because he didn't think the had any character to them. He made his feelings clear in X1. That's not a citation. Go watch the interviews Singer made.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 10, 2017 22:37:25 GMT
Go watch the interviews Singer made. That's what I thought. I'll take the W. Cheerio.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 6:41:05 GMT
Plus the MCU's had a major impact on how movie franchises are made now, that legacy will stick around for a long time especially seeing how successful and sustainable it's proven to be. True dat
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 6:42:09 GMT
People are often confusing franchise success with character popularity. DC characters will stay on forever because of their constant appearance from the last century to the current DCEU era Marvel characters, however, will have shorter lifespan. Agreed. Excellent post! Someone made this excellent point on another thread that: DC goes more for the "Mythic" or "Archetypal" way of doing things.
Marvel is more about making people, not myths.I would have to agree with that. That's why DC is much better than Marvel. Because DC's characters and stories are at a much grander and mythological level. Those are the kind of characters and stories that survive the test of time. Like the stories of the Trojan War and the stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legendary stories that will be remembered forever. Superman and Batman will be remembered forever just like King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table will be remembered forever. It's MCU characters like Ant-Man, Black Panther, Black Widow, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Hawkeye, Hulk, Iron Man, Nick Fury, and Thor who will all fade into irrelevance. MCU is just a fad that will be forgotten a generation from now, just like how people of this generation have forgotten about Disco (which was a fad in the 1970s). But the DCEU will have a lasting impact and be remembered forever. Shut up. Just shut up. What would you know about good CBMs?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 7:34:10 GMT
This is the thing I think you are confusing. When something has been around for 80 years, it has been around for the entire lives of most people, and so those people, like you, tend to start thinking those things could never go away. Of course they can. Just go talk to your grandparents about things that were really popular in the 30's or 40's that they never thought would ever go away. All it takes is people being more interested in other things. Pepsi fans said the same thing about Coca Cola in the 80s yet Coca Cola is still around. Microsoft fans said the same thing in the 90s when Windows was beating Macintosh in sales and yet Apple turned around and created I Tunes, I Pods, I Pads and I Phones and they are now one of the biggest companies in the world. A lot of DC and Marvel fans have been saying the same thing about Image Comics, Dynamite Comics, Events Comics, IDW etc for ages and those companies are still going strong and Spawn and Witchblade both have higher sales than every single Marvel superhero apart from Spider-Man, the X Men and Captain America yet you think Marvel can get rid of out a major company like DC when they can’t even wipe out smaller companies like them?
With a new Spawn movie in development and Image Comics/ Top Cow saying they are looking to launch a shared movie universe with Dynamite Entertainment judging on the success of movies like Spawn (being made by the actual creator, Todd McFarlane this time), Painkiller Jane, Avageleyne, Witchblade (Marc Silvestri confirmed it will be out in the next 3 years and is close to being finished), The Pro and Cyber Force Marvel could easily find themselves losing in sales just like they were in the 90s by smaller companies ‘cause those companies represented something new and different at the time than the same ol’ super hero stuff that has been done countless times by DC and Marvel which was one of the reasons why Witchblade outsold a lot of DC and Marvel’s top superheroes in such a short amount of time.
Let’s not forget the Mask was the most successful superhero movie in the 90s apart from Batman Forever with over $350 million in box office sales and that was a Dark Horse comic book movie and Men In Black and the Crow were also far more successful than a lot of the superhero movies in the 80s and 90s by DC and Marvel. Looking at the upcoming comic book movies in development there are more Non DC and Marvel series being adapted into movies and TV shows than before ‘cause film companies have seen the success DC and Marvel have had and are looking to compete with it with other comic book companies and Marvel could find itself wiped out 'cause those companies represent something new and different than the same ol' superhero stuff much like they did in comic books in the 90s. With more female lead comic book movies coming out Marvel are going to struggle to compete going forward 'cause the fact is Marvel were never good with female superheroes and the biggest selling female lead comic book series are by DC, Image Comics/Top Cow, IDW, Dynamite Comics, Event Comics etc.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 12, 2017 8:46:30 GMT
Pepsi fans said the same thing about Coca Cola in the 80s yet Coca Cola is still around. Microsoft fans said the same thing in the 90s when Windows was beating Macintosh in sales and yet Apple turned around and created I Tunes, I Pods, I Pads and I Phones and they are now one of the biggest companies in the world. you think Marvel can get rid of out a major company like DC when they can’t even wipe out smaller companies there are more Non DC and Marvel series being adapted into movies and TV shows than before ‘cause film companies have seen the success DC and Marvel have had and are looking to compete with it with other comic book companies and Marvel could find itself wiped out 'cause those companies represent something new and different than the same ol' superhero stuff much like they did in comic books in the 90s. With more female lead comic book movies coming out Marvel are going to struggle to compete going forward 'cause the fact is Marvel were never good with female superheroes and the biggest selling female lead comic book series are by DC, Image Comics/Top Cow, IDW, Dynamite Comics, Event Comics etc. Excellent post! ArArArchStanton just got owned!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 12, 2017 11:43:50 GMT
This is the thing I think you are confusing. When something has been around for 80 years, it has been around for the entire lives of most people, and so those people, like you, tend to start thinking those things could never go away. Of course they can. Just go talk to your grandparents about things that were really popular in the 30's or 40's that they never thought would ever go away. All it takes is people being more interested in other things. Pepsi fans said the same thing about Coca Cola in the 80s yet Coca Cola is still around. Microsoft fans said the same thing in the 90s when Windows was beating Macintosh in sales and yet Apple turned around and created I Tunes, I Pods, I Pads and I Phones and they are now one of the biggest companies in the world. A lot of DC and Marvel fans have been saying the same thing about Image Comics, Dynamite Comics, Events Comics, IDW etc for ages and those companies are still going strong and Spawn and Witchblade both have higher sales than every single Marvel superhero apart from Spider-Man, the X Men and Captain America yet you think Marvel can get rid of out a major company like DC when they can’t even wipe out smaller companies like them?
With a new Spawn movie in development and Image Comics/ Top Cow saying they are looking to launch a shared movie universe with Dynamite Entertainment judging on the success of movies like Spawn (being made by the actual creator, Todd McFarlane this time), Painkiller Jane, Avageleyne, Witchblade (Marc Silvestri confirmed it will be out in the next 3 years and is close to being finished), The Pro and Cyber Force Marvel could easily find themselves losing in sales just like they were in the 90s by smaller companies ‘cause those companies represented something new and different at the time than the same ol’ super hero stuff that has been done countless times by DC and Marvel which was one of the reasons why Witchblade outsold a lot of DC and Marvel’s top superheroes in such a short amount of time.
Let’s not forget the Mask was the most successful superhero movie in the 90s apart from Batman Forever with over $350 million in box office sales and that was a Dark Horse comic book movie and Men In Black and the Crow were also far more successful than a lot of the superhero movies in the 80s and 90s by DC and Marvel. Looking at the upcoming comic book movies in development there are more Non DC and Marvel series being adapted into movies and TV shows than before ‘cause film companies have seen the success DC and Marvel have had and are looking to compete with it with other comic book companies and Marvel could find itself wiped out 'cause those companies represent something new and different than the same ol' superhero stuff much like they did in comic books in the 90s. With more female lead comic book movies coming out Marvel are going to struggle to compete going forward 'cause the fact is Marvel were never good with female superheroes and the biggest selling female lead comic book series are by DC, Image Comics/Top Cow, IDW, Dynamite Comics, Event Comics etc. This isn't that complicated.
Ask yourself how many bad products they can make before people actually stop caring. When you grow up and all you know about something is it sucks, you don't care about it. Capiche?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 6:58:49 GMT
Reality check. DC (Detective Comics) is a comic book company and they are currently dominating the Top 300 charts with multiple entries. Warner Bros could put out 10-20 horribly written movies which all flop over the next decade but as long as they continue to sell comics at the rate they are now they will continue to exist and sell more. That is why Image Comics, IDW, Dynamite Comics, Event Comics, Zenescope, Broadsword etc are still releasing comic books now without dominating the Box Office charts ‘cause the truth is the movies are irrelevant in the long run. This is simple as you said but you seem to think your generation is different than previous generations so allow me to explain. The music charts in 70s was dominated by Rock, Disco and Country, the 80s was dominated by AOR, New Wave and Glam Metal, the 90s was dominated by Alternative Rock, Singer/Songwriter and Boy Bands and the 00s was dominated by R&B, Rap and Dance.
The music industry goes through different fads every decade and the movie industry works the exact same way and in a decade from now the superhero craze could be wiped out by another craze just like the 90s Action movie hero craze was. It is irrelevant to the future of DC as a company. If Marvel was dominating comic book charts and there were no DC titles in it then the company would have something to worry about but they are not. DC are still leading in TV shows, video games and novel adaptions of comic books. None of Marvel's TV shows have had anywhere near the same success as Batman, Wonder Woman and Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman had. Lois and Clark got around 30 million viewers a week during its first two seasons and beat a lot of TV shows that are now called the 'Greatest of All Time' on a weekly basis. The live action Spider-Man TV show flopped and their biggest success was 'The Incredible Hulk' which was FAR more popular than the two recent Incredible Hulk movies they put out despite having all the flashy and expesnive effects they have now.
A lot of Marvel fans are criticising the state of Marvel comic books and saying they have become too focused on the success of their movies and the comic books are suffering ‘cause of it. I have lived through many fads that have come and gone in the music and movie industry and the reality is none of them stay which is why they are irrelevant to DC as a company in the long run. That is why Marvel went three decades releasing nothing but garbage on screen that flopped but are still going now. Marvel’s one decade of movie success is a footnote in history when you look at how long the companies have been around for.
Reality Check 2. With more female lead comic book movies in development than ever before Marvel is going to find itself struggling big time in that field as I mentioned above ‘cause they are completely out of touch when it comes to female characters and have always come up on the short end of sales with female lead comic books ‘cause of it. This is why other smaller companies have beaten them. Marvel has never had a female lead series as successful as Witchblade. What does Marvel have to compete with movies of Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, Supergirl, Birds of Prey, Painkiller Jane, Avageleyne, Witchblade, The Pro etc? Nothing. Captain Marvel is a one and done while DC and other companies have multiple movies in development. Marvel’s weak spot is female lead series and we are going to see this on screen. DC, Image Comics/Top Cow, Event Comics and Dynamite Comics will dominate the female superhero movie genre just like they have in comic books for decades.
I personally like both companies and know both need each other to succeed in the long run. I prefer Image Comics and Dynamite more but Marvel have always been poor with female characters compared to other companies, sales and popularity have proven that and history has a way of repeating itself. You are crazy if you think a Shanna the She Devil movie will stand up against Painkiller Jane or Witchblade. Marvel doesn't even have a female character as popular as Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
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Post by NormanClature on Oct 18, 2018 23:07:50 GMT
This was a long thread.
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