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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:07:05 GMT
His films made a lot of money before Dr Strange, and alas will make a lot of money after Dr Strange, Antman & Co have long faded into oblivion again. These McMarvel marks don't know their place. They are New Money fans. They can't handle this level of truth. No, they're old timer fans who enjoy that the rest of the world is finally appreciating their characters instead of just going for the easy characters like Superman or Batman.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 16:18:22 GMT
These McMarvel marks don't know their place. They are New Money fans. They can't handle this level of truth. No, they're old timer fans who enjoy that the rest of the world is finally appreciating their characters instead of just going for the easy characters like Superman or Batman. "'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'"
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:20:45 GMT
No, they're old timer fans who enjoy that the rest of the world is finally appreciating their characters instead of just going for the easy characters like Superman or Batman. "'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'" It's better to accept the reality too, which is what I'm doing. Marvel's characters are here to stay and now most people know it, too. And I mean all of them, not just the overrated ones (X-Men) or the ones finally back where they belong (Spider-Man). Funny how Cap is now on par with Reeves Superman. Took a while, but he's getting his dues.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 16:21:58 GMT
"'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'" It's better to accept the reality too, which is what I'm doing. Marvel's characters are here to stay and now most people know it, too. And I mean all of them, not just the overrated ones (X-Men) or the ones finally back where they belong (Spider-Man). Funny how Cap is now on par with Reeves Superman. Took a while, but he's getting his dues. "'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'"
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
It's better to accept the reality too, which is what I'm doing. Marvel's characters are here to stay and now most people know it, too. And I mean all of them, not just the overrated ones (X-Men) or the ones finally back where they belong (Spider-Man). Funny how Cap is now on par with Reeves Superman. Took a while, but he's getting his dues. "'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'" It's prettier to accept the reality, which is what I'm doing. Sad that you don't, you're trapped in the past.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 16:25:35 GMT
"'Yes,' I said. 'Isn't it pretty to think so?'" It's prettier to accept the reality, which is what I'm doing. Sad that you don't, you're trapped in the past. It's an Ernest Hemingway quote, you intellectual insect. Go watch more comic book movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:28:21 GMT
It's prettier to accept the reality, which is what I'm doing. Sad that you don't, you're trapped in the past. It's an Ernest Hemingway quote, you intellectual insect. Go watch more comic book movies. I know, you're just misusing it in this context...which is worse. You have delusions of eloquence.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 30, 2017 16:29:41 GMT
It's an Ernest Hemingway quote, you intellectual insect. Go watch more comic book movies. I know, you're just misusing it in this context...which is worse. You have delusions of eloquence. You have delusions of good taste. Edit: also, who let you off my block list? Get back down in the cellar with the other trolls and dickheads.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 30, 2017 16:30:49 GMT
I know, you're just misusing it in this context...which is worse. You have delusions of eloquence. You have delusions of good taste. No, I just don't cling to the past like a reactionary.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 13:18:49 GMT
Actually, it's the complete opposite. Someone made this excellent point on another thread that:
DC goes more for the "Mythic" or "Archetypal" way of doing things.
Marvel is more about making people, not myths.
I would have to agree with that. That's why DC is much better than Marvel. Because DC's characters and stories are at a much grander and mythological level. Those are the kind of characters and stories that survive the test of time. Like the stories of the Trojan War and the stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legendary stories that will be remembered forever.
MCU is just a fad that will be forgotten a generation from now, just like how people of this generation have forgotten about Disco (which was a fad in the 1970s). But the DCEU will have a lasting impact and be remembered forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 13:21:18 GMT
DC characters aren't at risk of being forgotten. That's a silly assumption. Agreed. Someone made this excellent point on another thread that: DC goes more for the "Mythic" or "Archetypal" way of doing things. Marvel is more about making people, not myths. I would have to agree with that. That's why DC is much better than Marvel. Because DC's characters and stories are at a much grander and mythological level. Those are the kind of characters and stories that survive the test of time. Like the stories of the Trojan War and the stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legendary stories that will be remembered forever. MCU is just a fad that will be forgotten a generation from now, just like how people of this generation have forgotten about Disco (which was a fad in the 1970s). But the DCEU will have a lasting impact and be remembered forever.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 2, 2017 13:50:39 GMT
By that logic, Sherlock Holmes should have been forgotten quickly. After all, he wasn't a mythological hero type at all. Yet he's had a massive impact on Detective stories.
Archetypes are easy to come by, compared to actual characters.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2017 17:29:10 GMT
Actually, it's the complete opposite. Someone made this excellent point on another thread that:
DC goes more for the "Mythic" or "Archetypal" way of doing things.
Marvel is more about making people, not myths.
I would have to agree with that. That's why DC is much better than Marvel. Because DC's characters and stories are at a much grander and mythological level. Those are the kind of characters and stories that survive the test of time. Like the stories of the Trojan War and the stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legendary stories that will be remembered forever.
MCU is just a fad that will be forgotten a generation from now, just like how people of this generation have forgotten about Disco (which was a fad in the 1970s). But the DCEU will have a lasting impact and be remembered forever.
Sorry, but making someone "mythic" or "archetypal" is not guaranteed to make it better. Maybe it worked with older generations, but the modern generation want characters they can related to. Characters that have depth, personality, characteristics... Now DC in comics and animated shows have all these. But their movie characters seem to be nothing more than walking superpowers given a face. They don't have personalities, they showcase characteristics that is typical for the character but feel like they're just acting it out. In the end, in the DC movieverse the characters feel like they're just there to make the story move along, whereas the in the MCU the story is there to focus on the individuals. Hopefully things for DC will change in Wonder Woman. And that's why I'm excited for that movie.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 6:28:13 GMT
The problem DC is facing isn't just a series of rather bad films or losing money.
It's that 10 years of kids have now grown up with Marvel being the clear brand name in comics. And if another 10 years go by, DC will be in a position of being nearly unrecoverable.
I know it's hard for you to imagine that Superman could not be a relevant character, or Batman.
Ummm.....You do realise how many years Superman went without movies and despite that he is still the biggest selling superhero of all time with sales over 600 million? Batman is the second biggest selling superhero with sales over 460 million and Spider-Man comes in at third with over 360 million copies sold worldwide so no, regardless of the success of the current DC movies I don't see the two biggest selling superheroes of all time becoming irrelevant. In fact, in another decade this whole superhero movie craze is more likely to crash and burn and become irrelevant like the Action hero craze of the 90s with people getting sick of the superhero genre.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2017 14:06:53 GMT
The problem DC is facing isn't just a series of rather bad films or losing money.
It's that 10 years of kids have now grown up with Marvel being the clear brand name in comics. And if another 10 years go by, DC will be in a position of being nearly unrecoverable.
I know it's hard for you to imagine that Superman could not be a relevant character, or Batman.
Ummm.....You do realise how many years Superman went without movies and despite that he is still the biggest selling superhero of all time with sales over 600 million? Batman is the second biggest selling superhero with sales over 460 million and Spider-Man comes in at third with over 360 million copies sold worldwide so no, regardless of the success of the current DC movies I don't see the two biggest selling superheroes of all time becoming irrelevant. In fact, in another decade this whole superhero movie craze is more likely to crash and burn and become irrelevant like the Action hero craze of the 90s with people getting sick of the superhero genre.
That's true, except at that point there wasn't the overwhelming presence of the MCU clearly dominating the DC brand.
On top of that, plenty of biggest selling brands of all time no longer exist, so yes, things can become irrelevant, but I find your comment there especially odd as in the very next sentence you say the entire genre is going to become irrelevant. So which is it?
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 7, 2017 15:26:22 GMT
Ummm.....You do realise how many years Superman went without movies and despite that he is still the biggest selling superhero of all time with sales over 600 million? Batman is the second biggest selling superhero with sales over 460 million and Spider-Man comes in at third with over 360 million copies sold worldwide so no, regardless of the success of the current DC movies I don't see the two biggest selling superheroes of all time becoming irrelevant. In fact, in another decade this whole superhero movie craze is more likely to crash and burn and become irrelevant like the Action hero craze of the 90s with people getting sick of the superhero genre.
That's true, except at that point there wasn't the overwhelming presence of the MCU clearly dominating the DC brand.
On top of that, plenty of biggest selling brands of all time no longer exist, so yes, things can become irrelevant, but I find your comment there especially odd as in the very next sentence you say the entire genre is going to become irrelevant. So which is it?
Characters like Superman and Batman have lasted this long. They're not going to fade into irrelevance anytime soon.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2017 22:18:30 GMT
That's true, except at that point there wasn't the overwhelming presence of the MCU clearly dominating the DC brand.
On top of that, plenty of biggest selling brands of all time no longer exist, so yes, things can become irrelevant, but I find your comment there especially odd as in the very next sentence you say the entire genre is going to become irrelevant. So which is it?
Characters like Superman and Batman have lasted this long. They're not going to fade into irrelevance anytime soon. Well to be clear I didn't say soon. I said in another 10 years it will start to become a serious problem if they haven't corrected the issue. And things don't last forever just because they've lasted for a number of decades. Once people give up on them, there's no guarantee they ever come back.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 7, 2017 22:33:58 GMT
Characters like Superman and Batman have lasted this long. They're not going to fade into irrelevance anytime soon. Well to be clear I didn't say soon. I said in another 10 years it will start to become a serious problem if they haven't corrected the issue. And things don't last forever just because they've lasted for a number of decades. Once people give up on them, there's no guarantee they ever come back. It won't be a serious problem. That's not even possible.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2017 22:37:11 GMT
Characters like Superman and Batman have lasted this long. They're not going to fade into irrelevance anytime soon. Agreed. Only dumbass MCU fans would even suggest that characters like Superman and Batman would fade into irrelevance. Someone made this excellent point on another thread that: DC goes more for the "Mythic" or "Archetypal" way of doing things.
Marvel is more about making people, not myths.I would have to agree with that. That's why DC is much better than Marvel. Because DC's characters and stories are at a much grander and mythological level. Those are the kind of characters and stories that survive the test of time. Like the stories of the Trojan War and the stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legendary stories that will be remembered forever. Superman and Batman will be remembered forever just like King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table will be remembered forever. It's MCU characters like Ant-Man, Black Panther, Black Widow, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Hawkeye, Hulk, Iron Man, Nick Fury, and Thor who will all fade into irrelevance. MCU is just a fad that will be forgotten a generation from now, just like how people of this generation have forgotten about Disco (which was a fad in the 1970s). But the DCEU will have a lasting impact and be remembered forever.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 7, 2017 22:51:03 GMT
Well to be clear I didn't say soon. I said in another 10 years it will start to become a serious problem if they haven't corrected the issue. And things don't last forever just because they've lasted for a number of decades. Once people give up on them, there's no guarantee they ever come back. It won't be a serious problem. That's not even possible. Of course it's possible. Just go ask your grandparents about what was popular when they were growing up and you'll realize you've barely heard of any of it. I know it's hard to imagine that nobody would care about superman or batman, but it's certainly possible for such a thing to happen if the characters continue to get run into the ground.
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