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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 13:24:48 GMT
Kids will love the MCU right now and so they should, afterall the whole franchise is aimed solely at the direction of kids. But once they grow up and mature, they will look back on films like The Dark Knight Trilogy and X-Men and realise what quality comic book filmmaking is all about. Doubtful, the same people have been watching the MCU since Iron Man 1. That's 9 years. They HAVE grown up, and they still like what they see. As opposed to the X-Men, who petered out after 3 movies and needed all this garbage with timeline reboots because they were handled so poorly. And having a bad guy who killed his wife by giving her a brain tumor and saying this right to his sons' face is not for kids. The "grounded" films are for those who are ashamed, not for the mature.
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Post by charzhino on May 8, 2017 15:20:05 GMT
Doubtful, the same people have been watching the MCU since Iron Man 1. That's 9 years. They HAVE grown up, and they still like what they see. As opposed to the X-Men, who petered out after 3 movies and needed all this garbage with timeline reboots because they were handled so poorly. And having a bad guy who killed his wife by giving her a brain tumor and saying this right to his sons' face is not for kids. The "grounded" films are for those who are ashamed, not for the mature. I was responding to the OPs scenario of the 10 year old kid currently watching the MCU. And there's no evidence that the adults now who started watching Ironman 1 9 years haven't recognised how limited the MCUs scope of filmmaking is. Ego saying what he did to Quills mother is a mature subject in itself, but the surrounding circus fanfare in the film is enough of a distraction for the target audience (children) to not hold onto any of it. Compare that to X-Men First Class where they actually show Shaw killing Magnetos mother on screen. The whole film is then driven by that event in Magnetos arc and revisted in pivotal scenes such as the turning of the satellite and the finale where Magneto kills Shaw by recreating his own childhood trauma in great poetic justice fashion. You will not find any of that in GoTG or any other MCU movie, they touch upon mature themes lightly but dont have the guts to maintain them throughout the duration.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 8, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
Ok, listen, I was making a serious critique. If you want to turn it into a namecalling trollfest, you have fun on your own. namecalling, trollfest?? Is that your idea of deflection when caught with both hands in the sexist cookie jar? Stanton is a legitimate part of your user name, right? And calling women whores for not dressing like a nun is never a serious critique btw. THAT would fall under namecalling IMO!
Yes, let's pretend they didn't over sex Harley. Sure. When you want to have an adult conversation, let me know.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 15:29:12 GMT
Doubtful, the same people have been watching the MCU since Iron Man 1. That's 9 years. They HAVE grown up, and they still like what they see. As opposed to the X-Men, who petered out after 3 movies and needed all this garbage with timeline reboots because they were handled so poorly. And having a bad guy who killed his wife by giving her a brain tumor and saying this right to his sons' face is not for kids. The "grounded" films are for those who are ashamed, not for the mature. I was responding to the OPs scenario of the 10 year old kid currently watching the MCU. And there's no evidence that the adults now who started watching Ironman 1 9 years haven't recognised how limited the MCUs scope of filmmaking is. Ego saying what he did to Quills mother is a mature subject in itself, but the surrounding circus fanfare in the film is enough of a distraction for the target audience (children) to not hold onto any of it. Compare that to X-Men First Class where they actually show Shaw killing Magnetos mother on screen. The whole film is then driven by that event in Magnetos arc and revisted in pivotal scenes such as the turning of the satellite and the finale where Magneto kills Shaw by recreating his own childhood trauma in great poetic justice fashion. You will not find any of that in GoTG or any other MCU movie, they touch upon mature themes lightly but dont have the guts to maintain them throughout the duration. There's no evidence because the MCU isn't that limited. If you wanted limited moviemaking techniques, look at Fox and WB. No, it just means some people just can't handle that everything isn't done in some silly Oscar Bait manner with Orchestra music and extreme close ups of the actors faces. First off, I think it's very cheap and lazy the way the X-Movies keep bringing up the Holocaust like it has anything to do with the mutant situation. Everyone knows using Nazis and that stuff is the cheapest way to get your point across. And yeah, I compared that bit to the scene where Quill watched his Mom die. Difference is he didn't know what was the real cause and now he did, instead of becoming a one-note obsessive. I found that whole bit with Shaw overdone and pretentious. Almost as pretentious as Nolan's Batman stuff. MCU doesn't go for making their leads one-note obsessives. Or something as exploitative as "Hunting Nazis", that's as cheap a motivation you can give someone these days.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 8, 2017 19:33:18 GMT
Characters like Superman and Batman aren't going anywhere... Because DC will just keep making stuff with them in it. New Batman series. New Superman series. New Batman animated series. New Superman animated series. The ones that need fear will be forgotten are everyone else under them. Harley Quinn might be a fad that they are latching onto until she runs her course. DC isn't really taking chances on any of their other characters and having them stand out. Would they make a Wonder Woman animated series? What about a Wonder Woman live action series along side Flash and Arrow? What about a Blue Beetle movie? They are really keeping it close to that Justice League cuff. Aside from the fact that there was a live-action Wonder Woman series in the 70s, and that there was supposed to be another one in 2011, there was a Green Lantern animated series, and there have been plans for a Blue Beetle movie for a while. Also, the Aquaman movie is currently filming. But are those priorities? Are they trying to fast track them? Did they try again with Wonder Woman? They just let that go as a lost cause after the pilot tanked. And I said along side Flash and Arrow. Like Supergirl. There was a Green Lantern series. But because they didn't really try with the movie, the want for that lapsed. Plans... but those Superman and Batman movies will come out. Yes, I can't wait for Thor: the Submariner to come out. They made a point to say this is a different Arthur that's not blonde, but all of the Justice League has dark hair... I'd say we need Green Arrow, but they'd probably cast Adam Driver.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 8, 2017 20:06:07 GMT
Aside from the fact that there was a live-action Wonder Woman series in the 70s, and that there was supposed to be another one in 2011, there was a Green Lantern animated series, and there have been plans for a Blue Beetle movie for a while. Also, the Aquaman movie is currently filming. But are those priorities? Are they trying to fast track them? Did they try again with Wonder Woman? They just let that go as a lost cause after the pilot tanked. And I said along side Flash and Arrow. Like Supergirl. There was a Green Lantern series. But because they didn't really try with the movie, the want for that lapsed. Plans... but those Superman and Batman movies will come out. Yes, I can't wait for Thor: the Submariner to come out. They made a point to say this is a different Arthur that's not blonde, but all of the Justice League has dark hair... I'd say we need Green Arrow, but they'd probably cast Adam Driver. It's pretty difficult to define "priorities" when it comes to studio executives. As a matter of fact, the Arrowverse was actually supposed to use Blue Beetle, but they ended up replacing him with the Atom, because WB supposedly has supposedly been having plans for him on the big screen. Wonder Woman not appearing in the Arrowverse is probably a similar case. She's a prominent character in the DCEU after all. The only reason that Barry Allen gets to be in both the Arrowverse, and the DCEU is presumably because Geoff Johns is heavily involved with the television show, and he's a huge fan of Barry Allen as the Flash. Also, "Thor: The Submariner"? Really?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2017 21:12:23 GMT
let's pretend they didn't over sex Harley. Sure. And how does MCU promote Captain Marvel? Instead of showing that she's a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, MCU promotes their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties so that everybody can jerk off to her. Such hypocrisy by you dumb MCU fans!
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 21:18:33 GMT
let's pretend they didn't over sex Harley. Sure. And how does MCU promote Captain Marvel? Instead of showing that she's a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, MCU promotes their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties so that everybody can jerk off to her. Such hypocrisy by you dumb MCU fans! When did they do that, exactly? You don't have a great track record of having proper sources, and when you provide them you end up being wrong anyways.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2017 21:30:36 GMT
And how does MCU promote Captain Marvel? Instead of showing that she's a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, MCU promotes their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties so that everybody can jerk off to her. Such hypocrisy by you dumb MCU fans! When did they do that, exactly? You don't have a great track record of having proper sources, and when you provide them you end up being wrong anyways. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMtb-zIUJII
Starting at 25 seconds in this clip, you can see that MCU is promoting their first female-led superhero movie not by showing her as a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, but by showing her in her bra and panties.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:31:22 GMT
And how does MCU promote Captain Marvel? Instead of showing that she's a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, MCU promotes their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties so that everybody can jerk off to her. Such hypocrisy by you dumb MCU fans! When did they do that, exactly? You don't have a great track record of having proper sources, and when you provide them you end up being wrong anyways. Now now, play nice, samhmd. DC is... special. Telling him off is the equivalent of kicking a puppy with no legs.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:33:35 GMT
When did they do that, exactly? You don't have a great track record of having proper sources, and when you provide them you end up being wrong anyways. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMtb-zIUJII
Starting at 25 seconds in this clip, you can see that MCU is promoting their first female-led superhero movie not by showing her as a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, but by showing her in her bra and panties.
That's a suiting up sequence, you moron.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2017 21:36:51 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMtb-zIUJII
Starting at 25 seconds in this clip, you can see that MCU is promoting their first female-led superhero movie not by showing her as a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, but by showing her in her bra and panties.
That's a suiting up sequence, you moron. And has MCU ever shown a male superhero in his underwear suiting up? Only with a female superhero MCU feels the need to show her in her underwear.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:43:47 GMT
That's a suiting up sequence, you moron. And has MCU ever shown a male superhero in his underwear suiting up? Only with a female superhero MCU feels the need to show her in her underwear. Steve was shirtless and in pants too small for him the first time he became Captain America and we saw a whole room of men in their underwear waiting to be examined to see if they're fit for combat earlier in the film than that. Then there's Peter Quill in his undies in the first Guardians of the Galaxy and shirtless Thor and Thor in a hospital gown in the first Thor film. Then there's nearly dressed Ed Norton in The Incredible Hulk a few times.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2017 21:50:28 GMT
And has MCU ever shown a male superhero in his underwear suiting up? Only with a female superhero MCU feels the need to show her in her underwear. Steve was shirtless and in pants too small for him the first time he became Captain America That was to show a before and after effect of the changes to his body from the experimental super-PED. Before taking the experimental super-PED, Steve Rogers was a skinny kid. After taking the experimental super-PED, Rogers became a muscular guy.
That's not the case with Captain Marvel. There's no before and after change to her body. MCU just chose to promote their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:52:11 GMT
Steve was shirtless and in pants too small for him the first time he became Captain America That was to show a before and after effect of the changes to his body from the experimental super-PED. Before taking the experimental super-PED, Steve Rogers was a skinny kid. After taking the experimental super-PED, Rogers became a muscular guy.
That's not the case with Captain Marvel. There's no before and after change to her body. MCU just chose to promote their first female-led superhero movie by showing her in her bra and panties.
So they weren't showing off the nanotechnology that creates her suit, which is a brand new thing to the series by the way, or teasing the fact she's the first line of defense against an alien invasion?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 21:53:11 GMT
When did they do that, exactly? You don't have a great track record of having proper sources, and when you provide them you end up being wrong anyways. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMtb-zIUJII
Starting at 25 seconds in this clip, you can see that MCU is promoting their first female-led superhero movie not by showing her as a strong woman who can stand up and fight for herself and kick some ass, but by showing her in her bra and panties.
They've done the same thing with their male heroes too. No biggie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on May 9, 2017 8:44:59 GMT
At this point the super heroes are like corporate mascots, they are so far removed from the source material and those that knew them from comics would be old (like me).
Looking at the movies, they are kind of like soap operas where not a whole lot important can happen in a movie because they have an infinite number down the road.
When Superman the movie came out, it was like, maybe there will be another one, or 2, but that was about it. The finite nature of it makes it feel more stand alone and special. Not so with the Marvel films.
Especially not with Wall Street calling the shots. I really do not understand how people can be excited about films crafted by bankers and hedge fund managers.
None of the modern, hi tech FX films have the courage to do a true blue old fashioned superhero story because they cannot buy into the universe, and or they MUST inject all these beta qualities into the characters. They have to be neurotic, have lots of doubts, or if an alpha male (which Thor clearly is supposed to be) constantly made fun of. Spider-man as designed by Ditko seems to be a fairly mature 17 year old (at least he sounds old enough to fool adults) but Wall Street Disney made him into a little mousey sounding kid.
The other night I watched the Fantastic Argoman, now THAT is the right approach for a superhero film. It doesn't take itself too seriously but isn't afraid to have the super hero running around in a bright costume, jumping on top of trains, fighting a big robot or some Mata Hari type villainess.
Given the reluctance to show a comic book super hero in a bright costume and mask, I still rate the two best super hero films as Superman 78 and Robocop (though not based on a real comic it has the qualities of one). I would add Argoman to the list.
The X-men films do not seem like superhero stories to me.
Man, Walt Disney would be horrified to see how Eisner and his ghouls royally screwed his little company.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 9, 2017 12:18:44 GMT
Marvel was always about making character who weren't true-blue old-fashioned heroes. The movies are just true to that.
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Post by charzhino on May 9, 2017 12:34:11 GMT
The X-men films do not seem like superhero stories to me. Man, Walt Disney would be horrified to see how Eisner and his ghouls royally screwed his little company. The X-men films have the right balance because they go beyond simple CMB routine. With Marvel films, they are often a fun 1 time viewing, with little substance or thought provoking material to latch onto. Same can be said for the new DCEU thus far (exception for Man of Steel). X-franchise on the whole are good FILMS in general like Nolans Trilogy, not just tasteless process packaged CBMs of Marvel especially.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 9, 2017 13:09:44 GMT
The X-men films do not seem like superhero stories to me. Man, Walt Disney would be horrified to see how Eisner and his ghouls royally screwed his little company. The X-men films have the right balance because they go beyond simple CMB routine. With Marvel films, they are often a fun 1 time viewing, with little substance or thought provoking material to latch onto. Same can be said for the new DCEU thus far (exception for Man of Steel). X-franchise on the whole are good FILMS in general like Nolans Trilogy, not just tasteless process packaged CBMs of Marvel especially. No, the X-films just tell the same one story over and over again. And they go for that backwards "grounded" aesthetic that nearly destroyed CBMs, the aesthetic that appeals to people who dislike comics to begin with. Problem is, there are still plenty of people who are ashamed of comic books. And Nolan is overrated as well.
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