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Post by DSDSquared on May 2, 2017 14:31:09 GMT
I wanted to create a thread about the Marvel Netflix TV series. This includes Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Daredevil. I feel like we can throw in Agents of SHIELD too, if you like, especially since this new Agents of Hydra arc has been so good. It seems weird to start this thread, but these shows are rarely discussed and with no more IMDB, I wanted to create this thread.
Anyway, anyone looking forward to The Defenders? I am. In fact, I just rewatched all four series just to get up to date. After seeing all of them a few times, I can definitively give this order:
Daredevil Jessica Jones Luke Cage Iron Fist
I found Luke Cage a little inconsistent and hated the ending on first viewing and actually loved Iron Fist and thought the critics were way off. After watching them all again I found Luke Cage to be much better and found Iron Fist to actually not be very good at all. The writing is downright terrible at times. I will say that Jessica Jones is amazing. The second viewing made me appreciate it even more. I am really excited to see how The Defenders and The Punisher turn out. I found Fisk and The Punisher to be the best comic characters ever put on screen. |
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Post by DarkManX on May 2, 2017 15:39:58 GMT
I'm excited for the Defenders, I can't to see all four of them together. Can't wait for the Punisher show either and it's a shame they didn't get one out in time for him to be in the Defenders.
Daredevil has been the best series so far with Jessica Jones coming in second. Luke Cage was good at the start, but had problems in second half. Iron Fist wasn't as bad as people are saying, but it was definitely the weakest show so far.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 2, 2017 16:18:34 GMT
I heard rumors that Punisher was going to make an appearance in Defenders. Probably a smaller part, but still.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 18:33:20 GMT
I think the shows are spotty overall and definitely seem cheap in comparison to other hero shows. Overall DC universe is more enjoyable and better looking.
Daredevil is the best.
I loved the atmosphere of Luke Cage. I disliked Jessica Jones (Supergirl is better for female empowerment and angst) although she had by far the best villain of just about any series out there until they turned him into a wuss. Still, amazing use of his power.
Hated Iron Fist
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Post by DSDSquared on May 2, 2017 18:48:22 GMT
Wow! I think you are not just wrong, but WAY off. What DC show even remotely matches the quality of Jessica Jones or Daredevil? Arrow? The Flash? Supergirl? Heck no. That is cheesy CW crap. Flash is okay. Arrow had a great first season and has gone downhill every year. Supergirl is just cheese fun. Nothing wrong with that, but the quality of a show like Daredevil trumps them in every way.
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Post by kuatorises on May 2, 2017 18:56:47 GMT
I think the shows are spotty overall and definitely seem cheap in comparison to other hero shows. Overall DC universe is more enjoyable and better looking. Daredevil is the best. I loved the atmosphere of Luke Cage. I disliked Jessica Jones (Supergirl is better for female empowerment and angst) although she had by far the best villain of just about any series out there until they turned him into a wuss. Still, amazing use of his power. Hated Iron Fist You're talking about the DC shows on the CW, right? You want to talk about cheap, you better be talking about the bad cosplay on the shows. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 18:58:23 GMT
I think the shows are spotty overall and definitely seem cheap in comparison to other hero shows. Overall DC universe is more enjoyable and better looking. Daredevil is the best. I loved the atmosphere of Luke Cage. I disliked Jessica Jones (Supergirl is better for female empowerment and angst) although she had by far the best villain of just about any series out there until they turned him into a wuss. Still, amazing use of his power. Hated Iron Fist You're talking about the DC shows on the CW, right? You want to talk about cheap, you better be talking about the bad cosplay on the shows. The action and effects are way better.
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Post by kuatorises on May 2, 2017 19:34:30 GMT
You're talking about the DC shows on the CW, right? You want to talk about cheap, you better be talking about the bad cosplay on the shows. The action and effects are way better.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 20:14:01 GMT
The action and effects are way better.
Anyone who thinks Iron Fist , Luke Cage, or Jessica Jones has suppoerior fight scenes cannot be taken seriously.
It's OK to like the Netflix shows more, but not because of that. They're horrible.
You seem to be stuck on the costumes though since superheroes don't wear them...
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on May 2, 2017 20:36:09 GMT
I just can't get into MCU stuff. I started watching each of the first 3 series, but I couldn't get into any of them. I want to try Iron Fist because of Scott Buck. Believe it or not I liked his work on Dexter. But I'm just afraid I'll be disappointed by another MCU series. I did like the first season of Legion though.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 2, 2017 21:13:23 GMT
I just can't get into MCU stuff. I started watching each of the first 3 series, but I couldn't get into any of them. I want to try Iron Fist because of Scott Buck. Believe it or not I liked his work on Dexter. But I'm just afraid I'll be disappointed by another MCU series. I did like the first season of Legion though. Iron Fist is by far the worst one, but it's largely the Iron Fist actor's fault as well as the writing & choreography. It's all pretty bad except for some of the supporting characters.
All of the sows suffer from being too long for the stories they tell.
For some reason they feel the need to tack on an extra storyline. I guess it's to unify the Defenders plot.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 3, 2017 11:34:32 GMT
You're talking about the DC shows on the CW, right? You want to talk about cheap, you better be talking about the bad cosplay on the shows. The action and effects are way better.
I know you are joking now. The action in Daredevil blows anything on CW away easily. Jessica Jones did not have action scenes. Luke Cage had great action for what the character can do. These shows are just plain made better and take themselves more seriously. It works here too. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2017 11:45:19 GMT
The action and effects are way better.
I know you are joking now. The action in Daredevil blows anything on CW away easily. Jessica Jones did not have action scenes. Luke Cage had great action for what the character can do. These shows are just plain made better and take themselves more seriously. It works here too. Wait, aren't you proving my point? You are going to use Daredevil to encompass the rest of the shows? If so, then yes, Daredevil is as good as the CW shows. The rest are not. It's that simple. It's OK to like the Marvel shows more although I prefer my comic book shows to be more comic booky than drama (That's what dramas are for), but I don't think their stories are any better than the DC ones and the DC ones have better action. |
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Post by DSDSquared on May 3, 2017 12:08:01 GMT
I know you are joking now. The action in Daredevil blows anything on CW away easily. Jessica Jones did not have action scenes. Luke Cage had great action for what the character can do. These shows are just plain made better and take themselves more seriously. It works here too. Wait, aren't you proving my point? You are going to use Daredevil to encompass the rest of the shows? If so, then yes, Daredevil is as good as the CW shows. The rest are not. It's that simple. It's OK to like the Marvel shows more although I prefer my comic book shows to be more comic booky than drama (That's what dramas are for), but I don't think their stories are any better than the DC ones and the DC ones have better action. You said action alone. All four shows are better than any of the DC shows, even Iron Fist. Iron Fist gets cheesy in many areas with corny dialogue and bad acting at times. That is why it is the weakest of the four. However, its problems encompass the entirety of a show like Arrow right now. That show is cheese 24/7. I used Daredevil because it is a 10/10 show and blows them away in every way. The action comparison would be a joke. It may have the best action ever put on TV. However, Jessica Jones is also MUCH better than any of those shows and it is hilarious to think otherwise. It is better acted, directed, written, etc. Luke Cage can be inconsistent towards the end, but the quality of the show is still great and once again better than any of those CW DC shows. To each their own. I understand enjoying the more comic book feel over the serious nature. Heck, I agree for the most part. However, when a show is so much better produced and written, I cannot ignore it. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2017 13:56:51 GMT
DSDSquaredDisagree especially with Iron Fist which was the closest thing to literal garbage I've watch in that universe. As I have said repeatedly, I'm OK with someone thinking the shows are better, but comparing the shows for seriousness is a futile attempt. neither of them can be taken seriously but the DC shows look better. The characters are as uninteresting in both which leaves what they do with the story and the stories simply aren't that interesting. They even suck linking them to the overall Marvel Universe of the movies. The angst is similar, the themes are similar, the acting is similar. The difference? Better effects and better action. That's the tipping point. Neither are must see TV (I haven't seen the last seasons of Arrow or Flash), but at the end of the day I care more about the DC characters. I do understand the appeal of combat involving fistfighting, but it's not done particularly well in the Marvel Netflix since they decided to use different fight choreographers and preference goes to explosions and arrows and swordfights and superspeed. Outside of Nolan's Batman trilogy, Marvel wins in the movie department though by a long shot.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
The Netflix shows all suffer from the problem of being too long for the stories being told, with the sole exception of Daredevil Season 1.
DD S2 had a plot that seemed all over the place, first the Punisher then Elektra then the Hand coming back and trying to tie it all together.
JJ's problem was that it relied too much on Killgrave to drive the series with his performance because the story resolved itself by Episode 9 and they had 4 episodes left to do nothing but have him escape and get caught again.
Luke Cage similarly resolved the main plot halfway through and had problems keeping the series going for the second half.
Iron Fist seemed like an afterthought of a series where they thought "Okay, we need a 4th Defender. Who? Iron Fist? Okay, let's just do a simple plot here."
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Post by kuatorises on May 3, 2017 14:56:58 GMT
The action and effects are way better.
I know you are joking now. The action in Daredevil blows anything on CW away easily. Jessica Jones did not have action scenes. Luke Cage had great action for what the character can do. These shows are just plain made better and take themselves more seriously. It works here too. The CW shows are awful. They are very amateurish. I haven't even seen Luke Cage or Iron Fist, but daredevil and Jessica Jones alone blow away anything on the CW. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2017 14:59:38 GMT
That's the weird thing about all the shows. The stories don't often make sense. Even Kingpin was poorly developed. Daredevil is what carried the show in the first season.
The Punisher would have been fabulous but he talked too much.
Luke Cage would have been better if they had simply made this brother the star villain the whole time
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 3, 2017 15:02:55 GMT
I know you are joking now. The action in Daredevil blows anything on CW away easily. Jessica Jones did not have action scenes. Luke Cage had great action for what the character can do. These shows are just plain made better and take themselves more seriously. It works here too. The CW shows are awful. They are very amateurish. I haven't even seen Luke Cage or Iron Fist, but daredevil and Jessica Jones alone blow away anything on the CW. Daredevil I think is n par.
Jessica Jones is not.
If they are amateurish, I have no idea what defines professional in Marvel considering all the sets look like the identical soundstage in each of the shows with an occasional highrise building thrown in for good measure.
Netflix budget cannot be that large considering the most interesting design in any of the shows is the opening credits and they couldn't even get that right in Iron Fist.
Again, I'm not in love with either universe, but perhaps people could send a little time explaining what makes the Marvel series non-sucky rather than chiding me about my preference.
Otherwise, this debate has become a bit silly.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 15:09:31 GMT
You're right in that the Netflix shows don't have that big a budget. Also they film on the East Coast in NYC, where it's VERY expensive these days. By contrast, the CW shows are made in Vancouver which makes things a lot cheaper.
Part of the reason that Iron Fist didn't have proper time to do choreography and show us stuff like Danny fighting a Dragon was because by then they'd run out of money.
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