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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 14, 2020 1:39:02 GMT
Announcement could come as early this week according to the New York Times. Crossing my fingers that they go with BattleHawks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 1:40:49 GMT
Idk why people have an issue with that name. I understood the Redskins name being offensive but the term Indians in general I dont understand it being a problem. Hopefully they don't just become "The baseball team".
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Dec 14, 2020 1:48:30 GMT
Well they killed off the Redskins, so naturally the Indians were next on the PC chopping block. Just wondering how long it will be before the Chiefs and Blackhawks fall into the cross hairs?
It would come off as somewhat ironic, if in the future all Native American representation in US pro sports is wiped out in the name of.....whatever the hell they want to call it now.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 14, 2020 1:56:42 GMT
Other than the Redskins, I don't find any of the team names based on Native Americans offensive in any way, shape or form. Honestly, what is so bad about Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks?
To me, a name like the Fightin Irish is so much more questionable.
People are so sensitive.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Dec 14, 2020 1:58:41 GMT
Other than the Redskins, I don't find any of the team names based on Native Americans offensive in any way, shape or form. Honestly, what is so bad about Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks? To me, a name like the Fightin Irish is so much more questionable. People are so sensitive. I think the writing is on the wall for most of them.
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 14, 2020 2:01:19 GMT
Other than the Redskins, I don't find any of the team names based on Native Americans offensive in any way, shape or form. Honestly, what is so bad about Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks? To me, a name like the Fightin Irish is so much more questionable. People are so sensitive. Yeah, I understood Chief Wahoo being offensive, but the name really isn't. I'm okay if they go back to Spiders.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2020 2:07:07 GMT
Other than the Redskins, I don't find any of the team names based on Native Americans offensive in any way, shape or form. Honestly, what is so bad about Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks? To me, a name like the Fightin Irish is so much more questionable. People are so sensitive. Yeah, I understood Chief Wahoo being offensive, but the name really isn't. I'm okay if they go back to Spiders. . Yeah, I love the Cleveland Spiders as a name. I’ve seen it mentioned a few times. Only negative is the parallel to the 1899 Spiders of 134 losses |
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 14, 2020 2:13:45 GMT
They will now be the Cuyahoga County Indians.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 14, 2020 2:15:04 GMT
It’s not for me to say if Indian-based nicknames are offensive or not as I’m not of Native American descent. But it doesn’t seem 100% ok either. Outside of Notre Dame and the Montreal Canadiens, is there another big 4 team named after a group of people like that?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 14, 2020 2:16:05 GMT
They will now be the Cuyahoga County Indians. The Landover Redskins? |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2020 2:21:38 GMT
Just don’t want a year of the “Cleveland Baseball Club “ Barf. The WFT has no real historical alternative. They were the Boston Braves, then the Boston/Washington Redskins. Cleveland has Spiders but little else. They were the “Blues “, “Bronchos “ (yeah that’s the way it was spelled) and the “Naps “, for Napoleons Lajoie. I suppose it could be time for something new. Just not a singular nickname please. Not the “Cleveland Spirit “ or “Cleveland Miracle “. I’d rather see the “Naps”
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 14, 2020 2:23:57 GMT
It’s not for me to say if Indian-based nicknames are offensive or not as I’m not of Native American descent. But it doesn’t seem 100% ok either. Outside of Notre Dame and the Montreal Canadiens, is there another big 4 team named after a group of people like that? Well there are lots named after a group of people, just not really after an ethnicity of people. But this is kind of an odd one. As I heard it described by one representative of a native group, 'There's no such thing as native Americans.' That was a weird thing to hear because we've been so used to hearing that term, but individual tribal groups consider themselves their own 'nationality' in some cases. And I heard an interview with this woman railing against the 'Redskins' name as she was a representative of a group lobbying to have it changed, and she kept referring to her people as 'Indians.' It's all very confusing. But I think the Cleveland Indians make a target of themselves for this kind of thing because that logo was so ridiculous. The name may not be, or may be to some and not others, or whatever, but that logo sorta sets a bad track record for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 2:36:27 GMT
It’s not for me to say if Indian-based nicknames are offensive or not as I’m not of Native American descent. But it doesn’t seem 100% ok either. Outside of Notre Dame and the Montreal Canadiens, is there another big 4 team named after a group of people like that? Thats how I feel too. I dont understand it as offensive but I may just be ignorant to it. If that ethnicity finds it offensive than that is enough for me to think it should be changed. I don't view Chiefs or Braves offensive either but if those names are viewed as offensive by all means change them. As a Braves fan I won't complain if they change it unless its to something stupid. In terms of Notre Dame, I'm Irish and I love the Fighting Irish name. |
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Post by Marv on Dec 14, 2020 2:43:45 GMT
Cleveland Baseball Team
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 14, 2020 2:47:46 GMT
I doubt the population of India cares that a baseball team in the US that most of them have probably never heard of are called Cleveland Indians.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 14, 2020 2:51:30 GMT
I doubt the population of India cares that a baseball team in the US that most of them have probably never heard of are called Cleveland Indians. What about people from the west Indies? |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2020 2:51:35 GMT
My wife is one quarter Seneca and I’ve asked her and family and friends about Redskins. None have a real problem with Washington Redskins itself. But most said they would have an issue with someone calling them Redskin to their face. And it’s the old argument “would anyone tolerate the Detroit N_____?”. No one had a problem with Indians or Braves. “Chief” can be a slur though, Similar to calling an African American “boy”
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 14, 2020 2:54:46 GMT
My wife is one quarter Seneca and I’ve asked her and family and friends about Redskins. None have a real problem with Washington Redskins itself. But most said they would have an issue with someone calling them Redskin to their face. And it’s the old argument “would anyone tolerate the Detroit N_____?”. No one had a problem with Indians or Braves. “Chief” can be a slur though, Similar to calling an African American “boy” Interesting... I've never heard of chief as a slur. Maybe they should keep the name 'chiefs' and change the logo to a fire truck. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 14, 2020 3:06:20 GMT
My wife is one quarter Seneca and I’ve asked her and family and friends about Redskins. None have a real problem with Washington Redskins itself. But most said they would have an issue with someone calling them Redskin to their face. And it’s the old argument “would anyone tolerate the Detroit N_____?”. No one had a problem with Indians or Braves. “Chief” can be a slur though, Similar to calling an African American “boy” Interesting... I've never heard of chief as a slur. Maybe they should keep the name 'chiefs' and change the logo to a fire truck. In San Diego, douchy male servers at bars call male patrons "chief" all the time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 14, 2020 3:11:05 GMT
It’s not for me to say if Indian-based nicknames are offensive or not as I’m not of Native American descent. But it doesn’t seem 100% ok either. Outside of Notre Dame and the Montreal Canadiens, is there another big 4 team named after a group of people like that? Thats how I feel too. I dont understand it as offensive but I may just be ignorant to it. If that ethnicity finds it offensive than that is enough for me to think it should be changed. I don't view Chiefs or Braves offensive either but if those names are viewed as offensive by all means change them. As a Braves fan I won't complain if they change it unless its to something stupid. In terms of Notre Dame, I'm Irish and I love the Fighting Irish name. An honest and reasonable reply to this topic. The difference is we didn't slaughter the Irish and take their lands. Significant context to the story. I imagine a protestant football team in Belfast calling themselves the Fighting Irish wouldn't be well received in the old country to the south. If we start rounding up Irish in the streets and shipping them off to reservations, slaughtering non-combatants, reneging on treaties and all but erasing their culture from the face of the Earth, the Irish in America might have a problem with Notre Dame.
Most of the people complaining about this are the same people who didn't have a problem with the Redskins name, either. The Washington N-words wouldn't have been allowed, but Redskins, what's the big deal? Keeping with that logic, 'Indians' isn't as bad as Redskins, fair enough. It's still awkward. Would you call the team the Cleveland Black Guys? The Cleveland Chinese? Why are First Peoples/Indians/Native Americans/whatever term you want to use, singled out by race and revered like some kind of mythical beast? It's offensive on a base level, and the obliviousness of some people pretty much says it all. "It's never been a problem before now." Yeah, and blacks used to be kept as slaves and women didn't get the vote nationally until 1920. It's called progress, and all it takes is enough people looking at it and realizing, "Wow, this is fucked up."
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