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Post by runefish on Jan 27, 2021 17:18:19 GMT
I just posted asking the same question as the op. Unreal as i havent been here for 2 years
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 27, 2021 23:00:50 GMT
I don't trust the Chinese official numbers. Besides, authoritarian countries have an easier time enforcing measures on the population, There's no way this virus can be contained by China, authoritarian or not--and i know their population is much more mono and lacks individuality but even then with their numbers and their dirty behavior--NO WAY. So something about the truth of the situation is not measuring up.
I think it's the modern version of Duck and Cover. They used that scare people in the 50s--and I think we are inundated with scaremongering in the media--pravda of the West. Argument from incredulity is not an argument. With that said I also don't trust China as far as I can throw them and I don't think we have any way of knowing how bad or how contained it is there. Certainly China would want us to to think it's contained, and that alone should lead us to suspect them. However, I don't really know what this "we can't trust China" line of thought has to do with anything else concerning CV. If Duck and Cover was meant to scare anyone about anything it was only the red scare, but that was at the height of the cold war and there were real tensions and threats over possible nuclear attacks, and the advice in the film was generally good and would likely help as long as you weren't at ground zero. I keep hearing about this "scaremongering" in the media related to CV, but I've yet to see anyone post an example of it. What I see in the media are facts about CV--new infections, new deaths, total infections, total deaths, updates on hospital capacity, and lately availability of vaccines. If you and ToastedCheese are interpreting the reporting of facts as "scaremongering" it makes me think you guys are just projecting your own fear onto the news.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 27, 2021 23:15:07 GMT
Argument from incredulity is not an argument. With that said I also don't trust China as far as I can throw them and I don't think we have any way of knowing how bad or how contained it is there. Certainly China would want us to to think it's contained, and that alone should lead us to suspect them. However, I don't really know what this "we can't trust China" line of thought has to do with anything else concerning CV. If Duck and Cover was meant to scare anyone about anything it was only the red scare, but that was at the height of the cold war and there were real tensions and threats over possible nuclear attacks, and the advice in the film was generally good and would likely help as long as you weren't at ground zero. I keep hearing about this "scaremongering" in the media related to CV, but I've yet to see anyone post an example of it. What I see in the media are facts about CV--new infections, new deaths, total infections, total deaths, updates on hospital capacity, and lately availability of vaccines. If you and ToastedCheese are interpreting the reporting of facts as "scaremongering" it makes me think you guys are just projecting your own fear onto the news. It's not just being incredulous--obviously things like letting prisoners out of jail so they dont get the flu, while patients die because they wont get surgery--I mean that's extreme-as is the media's indifferent when antifa was walking around without masks.
The hysteria over it fits the same kind of "duck and cover" fearmongering.
Greece lets Chinese tourists visit, but not American, so it is strange. It would be like Chernobyl having a meltdown and then the only people that aren't irradiated are those from Chernobyl-the rest of the world is contaminated.
It's that kind of strangeness.
Buying masks from China just adds to the dysfunctional mental situation.
Globalism/Multiculturalism at its absolute worst.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 27, 2021 23:27:11 GMT
Argument from incredulity is not an argument. With that said I also don't trust China as far as I can throw them and I don't think we have any way of knowing how bad or how contained it is there. Certainly China would want us to to think it's contained, and that alone should lead us to suspect them. However, I don't really know what this "we can't trust China" line of thought has to do with anything else concerning CV. If Duck and Cover was meant to scare anyone about anything it was only the red scare, but that was at the height of the cold war and there were real tensions and threats over possible nuclear attacks, and the advice in the film was generally good and would likely help as long as you weren't at ground zero. I keep hearing about this "scaremongering" in the media related to CV, but I've yet to see anyone post an example of it. What I see in the media are facts about CV--new infections, new deaths, total infections, total deaths, updates on hospital capacity, and lately availability of vaccines. If you and ToastedCheese are interpreting the reporting of facts as "scaremongering" it makes me think you guys are just projecting your own fear onto the news. It's not just being incredulous--obviously things like letting prisoners out of jail so they dont get the flu, while patients die because they wont get surgery--I mean that's extreme-as is the media's indifferent when antifa was walking around without masks.
The hysteria over it fits the same kind of "duck and cover" fearmongering. Greece lets Chinese tourists visit, but not American, so it is strange. It would be like Chernobyl having a meltdown and then the only people that aren't irradiated are those from Chernobyl-the rest of the world is contaminated. It's that kind of strangeness. Buying masks from China just adds to the dysfunctional mental situation.
Globalism/Multiculturalism at its absolute worst. So, again, we have another poster talking about fearmongering, but when I ask for evidence of this fearmongering they post nothing. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging here. You also completely ignored the points I made about Duck and Cover; if it was fearmongering it was aimed at communism in general, but the threat of a possible nuclear attack was real and the advice in the film was sound advice. What in the world would be the purpose of the US media trying to make US citizens afraid of a virus? I don't know about Greece's travel policies. I know plenty of countries instituted a Chinese travel ban after the virus first hit. Then you come out with the "globalism/multiculturalism" stuff out of left-field. All this tells me is that people like you and ToastedCheese have those conspiratorial intuition brain cells firing on overdrive with all of this. I think YOU'RE the ones who are actually afraid, though fearful of fictions more than reality.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 27, 2021 23:40:51 GMT
So, again, we have another poster talking about fearmongering, but when I ask for evidence of this fearmongering they post nothing. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging here. You also completely ignored the points I made about Duck and Cover; if it was fearmongering it was aimed at communism in general, but the threat of a possible nuclear attack was real and the advice in the film was sound advice. What in the world would be the purpose of the US media trying to make US citizens afraid of a virus? I don't know about Greece's travel policies. I know plenty of countries instituted a Chinese travel ban after the virus first hit. Then you come out with the "globalism/multiculturalism" stuff out of left-field. All this tells me is that people like you and ToastedCheese have those conspiratorial intuition brain cells firing on overdrive with all of this. I think YOU'RE the ones who are actually afraid, though fearful of fictions more than reality. You assume that nukes are real though. There is a theory that since they have not been used since 1945, not even mini nukes, that it's actually an elaborate modern version of the Ark of the Covenant. I do wonder how a country like Pakistan--which is truly in the stone age--when they have heat waves they burn down power plants in anger--not the sharpest tools in the shed--yet supposedly they have nukes.
I am not scared by Israel's alleged Samson Option --I think the very fact that Seymour Hersh had a book published on it indicates it was not a big secret and the aim is to make people nervous.
I think this theory is way more interesting then the fake moon landing which seems politically aimed at diminished the accomplishments of white men in America. It could just as easily be asked of the Soviet Union--if they lied about their space exploits--but it doesn't get asked by the "western" media.
Scaremongering is to distract people from things like losing money, or dangerous people coming into your neighborhood or encourage social tensions. That sort of thing.
I am definitely not afraid of the virus. I was in February because I knew we had tons of Chinese coming back and forth but then we were told no, it's great here. There's no consistency in the narrative--it's altered for political expediency. I am more concerned by the political shenanigans and the fall out from that.
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Post by goz on Jan 27, 2021 23:45:32 GMT
Argument from incredulity is not an argument. With that said I also don't trust China as far as I can throw them and I don't think we have any way of knowing how bad or how contained it is there. Certainly China would want us to to think it's contained, and that alone should lead us to suspect them. However, I don't really know what this "we can't trust China" line of thought has to do with anything else concerning CV. If Duck and Cover was meant to scare anyone about anything it was only the red scare, but that was at the height of the cold war and there were real tensions and threats over possible nuclear attacks, and the advice in the film was generally good and would likely help as long as you weren't at ground zero. I keep hearing about this "scaremongering" in the media related to CV, but I've yet to see anyone post an example of it. What I see in the media are facts about CV--new infections, new deaths, total infections, total deaths, updates on hospital capacity, and lately availability of vaccines. If you and ToastedCheese are interpreting the reporting of facts as "scaremongering" it makes me think you guys are just projecting your own fear onto the news. It's not just being incredulous--obviously things like letting prisoners out of jail so they dont get the flu, while patients die because they wont get surgery--I mean that's extreme-as is the media's indifferent when antifa was walking around without masks.
The hysteria over it fits the same kind of "duck and cover" fearmongering.
Greece lets Chinese tourists visit, but not American, so it is strange. It would be like Chernobyl having a meltdown and then the only people that aren't irradiated are those from Chernobyl-the rest of the world is contaminated.
It's that kind of strangeness.
Buying masks from China just adds to the dysfunctional mental situation.
Globalism/Multiculturalism at its absolute worst.I really don;t 'get' this from so many Americans. What is wrong with globalism and multiculturalism? To me they are both aspects of a modern world that we should be aiming for. The ONLY reason we have vaccines and information on this pandein is due to functional co-operative globalism, and the ONLY way we can combat climate change is through co-operative globalism and multiculturalism is the froundation of ANY immigrant society of which America is the prime example.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 28, 2021 0:40:24 GMT
Globalism/Multiculturalism at its absolute worst.I really don;t 'get' this from so many Americans. What is wrong with globalism and multiculturalism? To me they are both aspects of a modern world that we should be aiming for. Well Brazil has it-and it's got something like the highest crime rate in the world. I know London was much safer before multiculturalism hit the streets there. Toronto the same thing. Paris...
Los Angeles same thing.
The more population, the more diverse, and especially where they come from.
As I mentioned before, it did not do that German 10-year-old any good that he was pushed in front of a train by someone who was featured in a campaign for best integrated migrant.
It's just the physics of the situation, import Third World, you get the Third World.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 1:03:30 GMT
So, again, we have another poster talking about fearmongering, but when I ask for evidence of this fearmongering they post nothing. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging here. You also completely ignored the points I made about Duck and Cover; if it was fearmongering it was aimed at communism in general, but the threat of a possible nuclear attack was real and the advice in the film was sound advice. What in the world would be the purpose of the US media trying to make US citizens afraid of a virus? I don't know about Greece's travel policies. I know plenty of countries instituted a Chinese travel ban after the virus first hit. Then you come out with the "globalism/multiculturalism" stuff out of left-field. All this tells me is that people like you and ToastedCheese have those conspiratorial intuition brain cells firing on overdrive with all of this. I think YOU'RE the ones who are actually afraid, though fearful of fictions more than reality. You assume that nukes are real though. There is a theory that since they have not been used since 1945, not even mini nukes, that it's actually an elaborate modern version of the Ark of the Covenant. I do wonder how a country like Pakistan--which is truly in the stone age--when they have heat waves they burn down power plants in anger--not the sharpest tools in the shed--yet supposedly they have nukes.
I am not scared by Israel's alleged Samson Option --I think the very fact that Seymour Hersh had a book published on it indicates it was not a big secret and the aim is to make people nervous.
I think this theory is way more interesting then the fake moon landing which seems politically aimed at diminished the accomplishments of white men in America. It could just as easily be asked of the Soviet Union--if they lied about their space exploits--but it doesn't get asked by the "western" media.
Scaremongering is to distract people from things like losing money, or dangerous people coming into your neighborhood or encourage social tensions. That sort of thing.
I am definitely not afraid of the virus. I was in February because I knew we had tons of Chinese coming back and forth but then we were told no, it's great here. There's no consistency in the narrative--it's altered for political expediency. I am more concerned by the political shenanigans and the fall out from that. If nukes aren't real then wtf did we drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Man you conspiracy theory types are a hoot! Being intelligent enough to build nukes and being socially regressive are not mutually exclusive at all. Fake moon landing comes from the same place of all conspiracy theories: people's profound mistrust of authority even in situations where it's unwarranted. I didn't ask you to define scaremongering, I asked you to show evidence that it's happening; and there's just as much "scaremongering" about "dangerous people coming into your neighborhood... encourag(ing) social tensions," or have you completely missed Trump's rhetoric over the past 4 years? And what motive would the government or media have to "scare" people into losing money and hurting the economy? If you're not finding consistency it's probably because when something like this happens that's new and dangerous people panic and there's too much information to rationally parse at once. That isn't evidence of any conspiracies, that's just evidence of how slow human thinking is to catch up to a flood of new information. I keep waiting to hear what "political shenanigans" are supposedly going on here. You think the US government--especially the famously xenophobic previous administration--and the media are going along with some CV hoax/conspiracy in order to make China look better, when this whole thing has only harmed China's reputation to begin with? THAT is what doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 1:12:42 GMT
I guess for people who don't care about facts, statistics, information, truth, etc. anything could be considered misinformation. Fortunately, back in the world of reality, most sane people do still hold to the belief that facts and truth are valuable, that experts have good access to those things, and that we can trust the advice of such people. So for us, "misinformation" is anything that contradicts those things. It's also an obvious, inevitable consequence that if you let people spread misinformation that some people are going to listen and thus do things that get them and others sick or killed. You can call it a "Nanny State" or whatever insults you want to throw around, but the statistics alone show how bad things have been and you can look at pictures of any Trump rally to see how many people refused to listen to experts. If people are going to act like toddlers then they deserve to be treated like them. Again, if you want to provide any actual evidence of "the establishment" (you're only a step away from starting on about the "Deep State") spreading "misleading" information, or the MSM stirring up "CV hysteria" and fear, feel free to actually post it rather than just claiming it.  At second paragraph. First, you do realize that even "same genus, part of the same family" is not the same thing, right? If I refer to a jaguar as a lion, that also would be wrong despite them being part of the same genus and family. Second, the people who compare CV to flu are doing so in order to make CV seem less dangerous than it is when it's both more contagious than the flu and causes far more serious illnesses in far more people. Also, Assange didn't leak "misleading" information, he leaked "classified" information that some deemed threatening to US security. Hardly the same thing. And you're getting up on your soap box about what you consider the "establishment" and "fear mongering" and other such nonsense. I have no authority, I just have a belief that facts and truth matter, that health experts should be listened to especially in times of a health crisis, and that idiots like you are a public health hazard because your stupidity is as contagious and dangerous as the virus itself. Way to twist the point and the 'fact' that you pretend to care and that the governments pretend to care, and that all you are justifying, is that you are just another brainwashed zombie. Zombies can be very dangerous in their ignorance. All milking CV to distract from incompetencies and using anecdotal statistical facts, that aren't entirely conclusive, nor are they 'accurate', to promote fear.
If health concern was such an issue, I don't see much promotion about personal health, just what is bad for our health and that is catching CV. Soon a vaccine will supposedly create herd immunity and we will be saved, or when the MSM tell us we are saved spurred on by the elitist establishment. The world is a dangerous place eva, get over it. Instead of worrying what you might or might not catch, trying living instead and you won't come across as such a rigid bore.
Is that first sentence supposed to be coherent English? You can claim I'm an "ignorant zombie" all you want, but you're the one who has completely and utterly failed to post a single shred of evidence for any of your conspiratorial bullshit. at "anecdotal statistical facts." No wonder you guys are so clueless when you don't even understand that statistics are the exact OPPOSITE of anecdote. Still waiting for that evidence that statistics aren't conclusive or accurate or that they're promoting fear. I'm sure you'll eventually getting around to posting it. Second paragraph is just more bullshit. Like I said, you're a total waste of time and one of the people whose idiocy makes the world much more dangerous than it has to be.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 28, 2021 1:30:54 GMT
If nukes aren't real then wtf did we drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Man you conspiracy theory types are a hoot! Being intelligent enough to build nukes and being socially regressive are not mutually exclusive at all. Well since you ask, my understanding is that they were firebombed and that was what Japan reported. It is quite interesting if this is true because then all those atomic monster movies, Godzilla etc, was intended as propaganda to push the bomb narrative.
And Kubrick, who is linked to the alleged moon conspiracy, also did a film on the bomb so..
The question I have, is in JFK, there's scenes of declassified nuke tests at the beginning--houses being blown up in closeup--and how did they get a zoom lens to photograph that without shattering the lens?
How did they photograph those closeups? I know they claim they used some superduper camera housing for the far away mushroom cloud ones, but how did they get the closeup?
You can fake a mushroom cloud effect with a water tank. They used it in Superman the movie.
But others say conventional tnt could produce a huge explosion like they showed in the tests.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 28, 2021 1:40:36 GMT
I have also had English relatives that have had it and they did the wrong thing. Its not going to be contained, regardless of what our preposterous governments think they can do to contain it and whatever diversity of ethnicity is around. Ireland was telling people to stay indoors yet letting people come into the country as usual. There's no consistency to this.
China should be in a total state of collapse. There's no way that they could contain a virus while others countries could not. I know someone who was diagnosed with it, she recovered fine--she knows 5 other people-same thing. And they think it's blown way out of proportion. Or China just doesnt care. Like fighting Climate Change. And western governments dont seem to care that China doesnt need to fight climate change--the worst polluter in the world. Chinese privilege.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 1:45:04 GMT
Is that first sentence supposed to be coherent English? You can claim I'm an "ignorant zombie" all you want, but you're the one who has completely and utterly failed to post a single shred of evidence for any of your conspiratorial bullshit. at "anecdotal statistical facts." No wonder you guys are so clueless when you don't even understand that statistics are the exact OPPOSITE of anecdote. Still waiting for that evidence that statistics aren't conclusive or accurate or that they're promoting fear. I'm sure you'll eventually getting around to posting it. Second paragraph is just more bullshit. Like I said, you're a total waste of time and one of the people whose idiocy makes the world much more dangerous than it has to be. Give it a rest Eva! I know you find it difficult to make friends, but being a boring drone buzzing around inside your brick logic of facts head and constantly hitting the wall, isn't going to help the situation. It makes you look even more numb, and dumb, to what you think of as real and relevant, or is that really "unreal"!!!
Of all the facts you claim to beholden too, its amazing that you really know jack squat. That is what makes you dangerous, when you only pretend to know what you are talking about based on your conflated anecdotal statistics....Cry havoc and let slip the walking dead zombies of the MSM. You are playing right into the palm of their hand, yet you don't have the clarity, nor insight to see it. Tear down that wall Eva, its not helping you one iota.
I'm curious how you know this. You stalking my house? My non-existence social media? I guess you know it like you know CV statistics can't be trusted, like Trump knows the election was stolen. The only wall I keep constantly hitting is the one your head is made of. Just continue on with your conspiracy theory ramblings for which you have evidence. It just makes you sound insane to anyone who's not. How about you tear down your wall and go play in traffic. Don't listen to the MSM who have zombified you into thinking getting run over is dangerous! They're just fear mongering! Better yet, go jump off a cliff! Don't you know that gravity is just a lie by big Gangster Science to keep you tied to the ground?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 1:59:48 GMT
If nukes aren't real then wtf did we drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Man you conspiracy theory types are a hoot! Being intelligent enough to build nukes and being socially regressive are not mutually exclusive at all. Well since you ask, my understanding is that they were firebombed and that was what Japan reported. It is quite interesting if this is true because then all those atomic monster movies, Godzilla etc, was intended as propaganda to push the bomb narrative. And Kubrick, who is linked to the alleged moon conspiracy, also did a film on the bomb so.. The question I have, is in JFK, there's scenes of declassified nuke tests at the beginning--houses being blown up in closeup--and how did they get a zoom lens to photograph that without shattering the lens? How did they photograph those closeups? I know they claim they used some superduper camera housing for the far away mushroom cloud ones, but how did they get the closeup? You can fake a mushroom cloud effect with a water tank. They used it in Superman the movie. But others say conventional tnt could produce a huge explosion like they showed in the tests. Your understanding based on what? You another YouTube Scholar? Hell, why do we need Erjen when we have you and Toasted Cheese? Two conspiracy theorists for the price of one! Maybe if the two of you put your heads together you can actually commit to some of actual theories and form some kind of semi-coherent (but still totally irrational) thought about how they could be true. I know there's so many juicy ones to choose from. Don't limit yourself by only going for the "we didn't really nuke Japan" option! Not sure what scene in JFK you're referring to, but zoom lenses can be incredibly powerful. You're literally only limited by budget because you can keep stacking glass on top of glass to increase magnification, and we can connect telescope lenses to cameras too. Here's an example that's actually owned by private parties (ie, NOT the government, who have vastly more money to commission builds of similarly powerful lenses): www.canonwatch.com/meet-the-canon-5200mm-f14-tele-monster/ That can photograph things from 18-32 miles away while the nuclear blasts on Hiroshima extended about 3.5 miles. Not that hard to get a close-up when you have a 15 mile cushion!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 2:11:34 GMT
I have also had English relatives that have had it and they did the wrong thing. Its not going to be contained, regardless of what our preposterous governments think they can do to contain it and whatever diversity of ethnicity is around. I know someone who was diagnosed with it, she recovered fine--she knows 5 other people-same thing. And they think it's blown way out of proportion. Amazing to me that people can't get this simple principle: Most people will recover from CV just fine. You don't need a virus that kills a large percentage of people in order for it to be killing a whole lot of people if a whole lot end up getting infected. Since I keep yammering on about excess deaths, here's a nice big graph that even the resident idiots in this thread should be able to grasp:  Blue is predicted deaths based on previous years' average. Orange is upper threshold. Anything over upper threshold is considered excessive given past years' averages. Notice anything funny happening in 2020? What do you think caused that? Hmmm...
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 2:12:37 GMT
I'm curious how you know this. You stalking my house? My non-existence social media? I guess you know it like you know CV statistics can't be trusted, like Trump knows the election was stolen. The only wall I keep constantly hitting is the one your head is made of. Just continue on with your conspiracy theory ramblings for which you have evidence. It just makes you sound insane to anyone who's not. How about you tear down your wall and go play in traffic. Don't listen to the MSM who have zombified you into thinking getting run over is dangerous! They're just fear mongering! Better yet, go jump off a cliff! Don't you know that gravity is just a lie by big Gangster Science to keep you tied to the ground? Is this you Eva?
Considering you're the one who's utterly failed to support anything you've claimed that's more like you. Now I'm just sitting back and mocking your failure as you switch tactics to insults.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 28, 2021 2:13:16 GMT
Not sure what scene in JFK you're referring to, but zoom lenses can be incredibly powerful. You're literally only limited by budget because you can keep stacking glass on top of glass to increase magnification, and we can connect telescope lenses to cameras too. Here's an example that's actually owned by private parties (ie, NOT the government, who have vastly more money to commission builds of similarly powerful lenses): www.canonwatch.com/meet-the-canon-5200mm-f14-tele-monster/ That can photograph things from 18-32 miles away while the nuclear blasts on Hiroshima extended about 3.5 miles. Not that hard to get a close-up when you have a 15 mile cushion! We are talking about the 1940s and 50s what zoom lens could penetrate the inside of a nuclear blast to record the houses? how would they even know where to put the camera to catch that footage? why would they even bother? Who cares about a house being stripped off its tiles?
So, I do question the validity of it-I think the bomb has been very useful in scaring people and probably used for all sorts of backdoor political shenanigans.
It is like the Ark of the Covenant-all the architects of the bomb come from the same background--how realistic is that?
That's quite an accomplishment for one group of people--they made a weapon that destroys everything.
And another part of the theory is that it is used to demonize nuclear power so oil and the Middle East can be used for political nonsense. As we saw--Trump was increasing domestic oil and it was mentioned that inf act, the US doesnt even need Middle East oil.
So why was Iraq invaded again? Actually Trump said that the US was in the ME to protect Israel. I am sure that went over well with Netanayhu and friends.
Also, if radiation is so bad, why has Chernobyl wildlife recovered. another aspect to the theory...
I do think we are fed a lot of lies...too many to count probably.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 28, 2021 2:19:59 GMT
I have also had English relatives that have had it and they did the wrong thing. Its not going to be contained, regardless of what our preposterous governments think they can do to contain it and whatever diversity of ethnicity is around. I know someone who was diagnosed with it, she recovered fine--she knows 5 other people-same thing. I know 2 persons who were diagnosed with it—they’re both dead.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 2:29:35 GMT
Not sure what scene in JFK you're referring to, but zoom lenses can be incredibly powerful. You're literally only limited by budget because you can keep stacking glass on top of glass to increase magnification, and we can connect telescope lenses to cameras too. Here's an example that's actually owned by private parties (ie, NOT the government, who have vastly more money to commission builds of similarly powerful lenses): www.canonwatch.com/meet-the-canon-5200mm-f14-tele-monster/ That can photograph things from 18-32 miles away while the nuclear blasts on Hiroshima extended about 3.5 miles. Not that hard to get a close-up when you have a 15 mile cushion! We are talking about the 1940s and 50s what zoom lens could penetrate the inside of a nuclear blast to record the houses? how would they even know where to put the camera to catch that footage? why would they even bother? Who cares about a house being stripped off its tiles?
So, I do question the validity of it-I think the bomb has been very useful in scaring people and probably used for all sorts of backdoor political shenanigans.
It is like the Ark of the Covenant-all the architects of the bomb come from the same background--how realistic is that?
That's quite an accomplishment for one group of people--they made a weapon that destroys everything.
And another part of the theory is that it is used to demonize nuclear power so oil and the Middle East can be used for political nonsense. As we saw--Trump was increasing domestic oil and it was mentioned that inf act, the US doesnt even need Middle East oil.
So why was Iraq invaded again? Actually Trump said that the US was in the ME to protect Israel. I am sure that went over well with Netanayhu and friends.
Also, if radiation is so bad, why has Chernobyl wildlife recovered. another aspect to the theory...
I do think we are fed a lot of lies...too many to count probably. Lens technology hasn't changed that much. Fundamentals have always been the same. Stack bigger glass on bigger glass = bigger magnification. Government has also always had a ridiculous amount of money to commission such things too. The only thing that stops manufacturers like Canon or Nikon from doing things like that commercially is there's no market, but they could easily do it (and could've for decades) for enough money. Again, I don't know precisely what footage you're talking about, but the camera could catch the beginning of the blast before there's a huge cloud. They would know where to put the camera because they would know what the size of the blast was going to be (simple math). I assume they would bother for all kinds of reasons, like research. I agree that nuclear power shouldn't be demonized, but despite that it's still used; and Chernobyl had as much to do with that demonization as the idea of nuclear bombs. Still, if your theory is true, then the only parties really benefiting from such a thing would be Big Oil... but then why has Big Oil been so bad about countering Climate Change? So they're powerful enough to demonize nuclear power for their benefit, but not to stop the Climate Change crisis? How is the government benefitting from any of this? Why do they care whether oil or nuclear power becomes more prominent or profitable? You think invading a country for oil is easier than just hiring scientists to develop more nuclear power? Plus, why would Japan be going along with the lie if they really weren't hit by a nuclear bomb? I'm not up-to-date on how much Chernobyl is still affected by the disaster, but I do know that such long term effects of radiation are quite unpredictable. It's entirely possible that the fallout is at a low-enough level now that wildlife can recover. It was certainly dramatically affected immediately after the event.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 28, 2021 2:34:20 GMT
Considering you're the one who's utterly failed to support anything you've claimed that's more like you. Now I'm just sitting back and mocking your failure as you switch tactics to insults. I thought as much, it is you....
Your own failure does not register with you. You don't like your self-assessed superior knowledge and intellect to be criticized and want to patronize others with your Nanny Mentality. Yes, the MSM brainwashing machine has done a fine remarkable job on you. Nice little doggie, or is that zombie... Got any of that evidence on why CV statistics can't be trusted or are inaccurate? Got any evidence of that MSM fear-mongering? No? Still just whittling away at your wooden helmet to protect you from government mind probes? Unlike you, I greatly appreciate when my knowledge/intellect is criticized since that's how I learn and improve; but you have to come with actual facts, evidence, and reason, and not just brain fart accusations and insults like you've done. Just like the last time we got into it the only evidence you provide is how deeply insecure your are.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 28, 2021 2:40:20 GMT
I know 2 persons who were diagnosed with it—they’re both dead. Assuming they did die from it and not some other health issue that gets slapped with it. Anyway I am not worried about it. I certainly am not going to take a vaccine because a Chinese asshole ate a bat.
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