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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 22:04:19 GMT
How? The character is annoying. I didn't say anything about what she 'represents,' so have that argument with someone else. She's as annoying as Star-Lord and Captain America both were, but gets 10 times the hate. Predictable. You thought Captain America was annoying? Why?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2023 22:30:26 GMT
But will the film be woke?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 12, 2023 22:38:41 GMT
She's as annoying as Star-Lord and Captain America both were, but gets 10 times the hate. Predictable. You thought Captain America was annoying? Why? It's hard to figure. You see posts like that and you're 100% certain he's trolling. Then you see him write a ten paragraph reply about how audiences reacted to such and such 15 years ago, and you realize he's completely insane. I'm out of this convo. Sometimes you gotta know when to fold 'em.
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Post by pennypacker on Apr 12, 2023 22:40:13 GMT
But will the film be woke? I dunno. I’ll need to watch 40 videos by esteemed YouTube critics bitching before deciding.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2023 22:46:51 GMT
But will the film be woke? Most likely. The question is whether it will be good woke or bad woke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 23:14:40 GMT
You thought Captain America was annoying? Why? It's hard to figure. You see posts like that and you're 100% certain he's trolling. Then you see him write a ten paragraph reply about how audiences reacted to such and such 15 years ago, and you realize he's completely insane. I'm out of this convo. Sometimes you gotta know when to fold 'em. I really should stop replying to him as well. His pattern is exactly as you describe it. Sometimes egging him on is just too irresistible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 23:17:21 GMT
But will the film be woke? I dunno. I’ll need to watch 40 videos by esteemed YouTube critics bitching before deciding. I used to watch “ten things missed” and other trailer breakdowns. I haven’t done so in a while and thought I’d try it with Indy 5. And instantly a bunch of THIS IS WOKE PROPAGANDA videos come up in the search results. It really is out of hand. Why does anyone click on that bull.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2023 23:20:49 GMT
God i hope this film ends up being the wokest of woke Marvel!
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Post by pennypacker on Apr 12, 2023 23:27:29 GMT
I dunno. I’ll need to watch 40 videos by esteemed YouTube critics bitching before deciding. I used to watch “ten things missed” and other trailer breakdowns. I haven’t done so in a while and thought I’d try it with Indy 5. And instantly a bunch of THIS IS WOKE PROPAGANDA videos come up in the search results. It really is out of hand. Why does anyone click on that bull. I was in a comic shop last summer and the guy at the counter was watching some video about Star Wars being woke. You could hear it from every corner of the store. I probably should’ve complained… I do sometimes consider making those dumbass videos myself though. It seems like a good gig.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 13, 2023 2:40:08 GMT
She's as annoying as Star-Lord and Captain America both were, but gets 10 times the hate. Predictable. You thought Captain America was annoying? Why? When the Captain America movie was announced back in 2010, the response was negative. The claims were that Cap was a terribly outdated character, a propaganda piece who looked ridiculous and had long outstayed his welcome and Marvel was better off without because the fear was that he'd be a Jingoistic Flag Waver with no depth beyond that.
Also, consensus was that Chris Evans was absolutely the wrong person to play Steve and he'd make what was already seen as a bad character even worse.
Captain Marvel didn't even have that reasoning as to why folks hated her. They were just mad that Kevin Feige said she wouldn't be a weakling, that's literally the only reason. There were claims of how she acted poorly in a recent comic story but they were nothing compared to the atrocities Tony Stark committed in his character history.
So yeah, she gets far more hate for little-to-no reason. Typical.
Oh, and if Wonder Woman had used the Her = Hero thing no one would be complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 6:00:55 GMT
LOL. You called it, Rey Kahuka. ^Exactly the reply you predicted he would post^
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 13, 2023 7:17:57 GMT
LOL. You called it, Rey Kahuka. ^Exactly the reply you predicted he would post^ Definitely insane. Nobody spends that much time and effort to spout complete nonsense unless they're insane.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2023 12:07:44 GMT
LOL. You called it, Rey Kahuka . ^Exactly the reply you predicted he would post^ Definitely insane. Nobody spends that much time and effort to spout complete nonsense unless they're insane. Should I point out that I was talking about Ms. Marvel, not Captain Marvel? Not that it matters, cut and paste the hero and his argument would've been identical.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 13, 2023 13:51:52 GMT
It never ceases to surprise me how determined certain folks are to hate Captain Marvel, for little to no reason.
And how quick they were to forget how they used those same arguments on Steve.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 15, 2023 16:51:05 GMT
It never ceases to surprise me how determined certain folks are to hate Captain Marvel, for little to no reason.
And how quick they were to forget how they used those same arguments on Steve.
This calls for a Bud Light?
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Post by scabab on Apr 15, 2023 20:11:37 GMT
I don't recall people disliking Captain America / Chris Evans but he was less well liked than Iron Man and Thor originally.
Opinion seemed to change for him after Winter Soldier. After Civil War I remember seeing a poll where he was more popular than even Iron Man.
I do think people were a bit harsh on Captain Marvel but the actress was unlikable and the character definitely was never as good as Captain America.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 15, 2023 21:24:11 GMT
I don't recall people disliking Captain America / Chris Evans but he was less well liked than Iron Man and Thor originally. Opinion seemed to change for him after Winter Soldier. After Civil War I remember seeing a poll where he was more popular than even Iron Man. I do think people were a bit harsh on Captain Marvel but the actress was unlikable and the character definitely was never as good as Captain America. You could usually tell the popularity of the big 3 depending on how much focus they get in the Avengers movies. In phase 1, Captain America had the least well-received film of the 3, so you had a popularity ranking of: 1. Ironman 2. Thor 3. Captain America You could tell in The Avengers that the biggest moments were given to IM, and while Cap got a decent amount of screentime he didn't really do anything too important. After IM, majority of the coolest scenes and heavy lifting was given to Thor. That changed in phase 2, most likely due to how successful CATWS was and how bad Thor TDW was. So the ranking changed to something like: 1. Ironman 2. Captain America 3. Thor By the time they got to Avengers AOU, majority of the big parts were still given to IM but Cap was almost neck-and-neck for top spot as far as focus and big moments went. In comparison, Thor was given almost nothing to do in AOU. But then in phase 3 Thor got a huge bump from Ragnarok and people were starting to get tired of Tony Stark's sarcastic attitude. Cap was still going strong though, but it does look like all 3 of them ended up becoming just as popular as each other. That's why in both IW and Endgame, you'll notice the focus on them is a bit more equal. Maybe not in screentime but in how many cool and pivotal scenes they were given. Even fat Thor (as much as I hated that concept) meant that Thor got quite a lot of development. And while Cap came in very late in IW, he was still quite pivotal to the movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 15, 2023 23:34:48 GMT
I don't recall people disliking Captain America / Chris Evans but he was less well liked than Iron Man and Thor originally. Opinion seemed to change for him after Winter Soldier. After Civil War I remember seeing a poll where he was more popular than even Iron Man. I do think people were a bit harsh on Captain Marvel but the actress was unlikable and the character definitely was never as good as Captain America. Oh, I DO recall people disliking him. They kept bringing up that awful early 90s movie about him and how since Chris Evans did the Human Torch he was the worst possible choice for the role anyways. And how Cap's movie would be nothing but pro-America "RAH RAH!" jingoism.
Yes they changed after Winter Soldier but before then he was the least popular Avenger, even more disliked than Hawkeye.
Brie Larson never said or did anything that a decent person would find offensive.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 16, 2023 16:44:52 GMT
I don't recall people disliking Captain America / Chris Evans but he was less well liked than Iron Man and Thor originally. Opinion seemed to change for him after Winter Soldier. After Civil War I remember seeing a poll where he was more popular than even Iron Man. I do think people were a bit harsh on Captain Marvel but the actress was unlikable and the character definitely was never as good as Captain America. You could usually tell the popularity of the big 3 depending on how much focus they get in the Avengers movies. In phase 1, Captain America had the least well-received film of the 3, so you had a popularity ranking of: 1. Ironman 2. Thor 3. Captain America You could tell in The Avengers that the biggest moments were given to IM, and while Cap got a decent amount of screentime he didn't really do anything too important. After IM, majority of the coolest scenes and heavy lifting was given to Thor. That changed in phase 2, most likely due to how successful CATWS was and how bad Thor TDW was. So the ranking changed to something like: 1. Ironman 2. Captain America 3. Thor By the time they got to Avengers AOU, majority of the big parts were still given to IM but Cap was almost neck-and-neck for top spot as far as focus and big moments went. In comparison, Thor was given almost nothing to do in AOU. But then in phase 3 Thor got a huge bump from Ragnarok and people were starting to get tired of Tony Stark's sarcastic attitude. Cap was still going strong though, but it does look like all 3 of them ended up becoming just as popular as each other. That's why in both IW and Endgame, you'll notice the focus on them is a bit more equal. Maybe not in screentime but in how many cool and pivotal scenes they were given. Even fat Thor (as much as I hated that concept) meant that Thor got quite a lot of development. And while Cap came in very late in IW, he was still quite pivotal to the movie. I'd often hear that the MCU was contingent on actor appearances, namely RDJ. If he were going to bail or want out &/or ask for too much, MCU studios or whatever had off-ramps without collapsing the whole thing. Nothing was ever ironclad pun.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 16, 2023 18:25:06 GMT
formersamhmd - I know you're trying to lure scabab into another of your endless traps, but at least try and put in some effort for a change. People didn't think Chris Evans was the worst choice possible for Captain America, some were puzzled by the thought of him playing a different Marvel hero (because back then not as many were able to distinguish a Marvel made movie from a movie made from a Marvel comic book title) while others were unsure if he could carry a franchise because his experience as a leading man was little. Most people were actually nervous about the possibility of John Krasinski because they only knew him as Jim from The Office and back then Krasinski wasn't as built as he is now. As for Brie Larson, scabab never said anything about what she has said or done in her personal life, he was clearly talking about her acting as the character.
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