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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2021 20:26:36 GMT
If God can do anything, can he create a rock he cannot lift? Does that question mention omnipotence? Then why are you asking about God and why do you put a trademark symbol on it? The question you demanded I answer was whether or not "God™" (whatever that is) can make a rock he can't lift. It does not mention omnipotence, but I'd happy to presume it if I knew what you mean when you ask it. Let's put a different string on this yo-yo... When you say "God™" cannot make a rock he can't lift, are you saying "God™" is or is not omnipotent? I only ask because it seems that you're saying what I've been saying this whole time, but it also seems like you're arguing with me. Please clarify, thanks. The argument is not about god™, it is about the definition of omnipotence, think about the implications of a perfect creator god™ that was able to break the rules it had set for it's creation. Ok. Thanks.
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 23, 2021 7:12:01 GMT
No, the God of the bible(the only true God that exists) cannot do anything. And no He cannot cease to exist as that would contradict his nature.So Then the only "true" God is a demi-god if he can't do anything. And what do you know about God's nature anyways? Must be nice to be up inside the Almig---oops, Semi-Almighty's head. A demi-god because he can’t do the nonsensical? Yeah okay.
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 23, 2021 8:21:52 GMT
A demi-god because he can’t do the nonsensical? Yeah okay. He does plenty of nonsensical things. Have you ever seen a woman created from the rib of a man? He also made Adam out of a pile of dirt and created everything that is inside the universe in six days. How does that make sense? It makes plenty of sense if there is a supernatural God. Certainly a lot more sense than believing something can come from nothing. Life can come from non-life. Order can come from chaos and immaterial from physical matter. What doesn’t make sense is illogical and contradictory is a demand like God creating a square-circle.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 23, 2021 19:25:42 GMT
No, the God of the bible(the only true God that exists) cannot do anything. And no He cannot cease to exist as that would contradict his nature.So Then the only "true" God is a demi-god if he can't do anything. And what do you know about God's nature anyways? Must be nice to be up inside the Almig---oops, Semi-Almighty's head. Im not sure I agree with that, more that God™ cant do things that break the logic of the universe (make a square circle), a creator godf must respect the laws they used to create or else it undermines creation. Moreover a creator god who breaks it's rules indicates and least changing of mind which is not perfection. Again it boils down to the definition of 'can do anything'
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Post by gadreel on Dec 24, 2021 9:40:25 GMT
Im not sure I agree with that, more that God™ cant do things that break the logic of the universe (make a square circle), a creator godf must respect the laws they used to create or else it undermines creation. Moreover a creator god who breaks it's rules indicates and least changing of mind which is not perfection.Again it boils down to the definition of 'can do anything' So you’re telling the creator what he must respect and do? He must be perfect? Remember, he invented “can” and “do” as well as “perfect.” Sorry I should have qualified it to say with respect to within creation, outside of creation a creator god can do what it likes, within creation god is supposed to be perfect being able to break the laws it had set would undermine that perfection.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 5, 2022 21:57:58 GMT
Sorry I should have qualified it to say with respect to within creation, outside of creation a creator god can do what it likes, within creation god is supposed to be perfect being able to break the laws it had set would undermine that perfection.Creation while all good, it is not perfect. Per the laws of physics, everything is decaying and requires energy to repair the chaos into an imperfect, but serviceable order. Staying alive requires work or energy for every creature in creation. That energy begins with the Sun and flows through the stages of the food chain to us. Sorry I should have come back to this, I did not mean creation is perfect, I meant that from the point of view of creation god™ is perfect. Not in a moral sense. What I mean is that the firmness that god uses to create means that being able to break the rules that have been made in creation (such as being able to create a rock he cannot lift, although I personally prefer the make a circle a square argument as there is less leeway for people to get confused) would undermine creation, that is to say if the rules are malleable then the rules no longer exist
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Post by gadreel on Jan 6, 2022 3:09:17 GMT
Sorry I should have come back to this, I did not mean creation is perfect, I meant that from the point of view of creation god™ is perfect. Not in a moral sense. What I mean is that the firmness that god uses to create means that being able to break the rules that have been made in creation (such as being able to create a rock he cannot lift, although I personally prefer the make a circle a square argument as there is less leeway for people to get confused) would undermine creation, that is to say if the rules are malleable then the rules no longer existThe Christians assume they are his perfected, final goal for Humanity. Their ever fissuring denominations each claim the greater perfection within a much timer End Times Deadline. They forget God is fickle and change his mind at any moment. Hmm, I see no record of Gods™ mind at all (ooo actually maybe god™'mind does have some evidence, hold on), I see no record of gods mind except that which it has created, what do you suppose it changed it's mind about?
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