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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 4, 2022 3:08:47 GMT
Don’t know why anyone would be surprised or disappointed about Shuri being the new Black Panther. People had been talking about how she’d make a good Black Panther even before Chadwick Boseman’s passing, and there’s an actual basis for it in the comics. The MCU has made it abundantly clear that they don't mind diverting from the comics when it suits them. Yes, but what reason would they have to give the Black Panther mantle to someone other than Shuri, unless they simply wanted to distance themselves from Letitia Wright? Just because some people think it’s unrealistic for a skinny nerd to be a superhero, as if superhero stories are bound by realism?
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2022 3:31:57 GMT
The MCU has made it abundantly clear that they don't mind diverting from the comics when it suits them. Yes, but what reason would they have to give the Black Panther mantle to someone other than Shuri, unless they simply wanted to distance themselves from Letitia Wright? Just because some people think it’s unrealistic for a skinny nerd to be a superhero, as if superhero stories are bound by realism? I can give you 3 very good reasons, and none of them have anything to do with her being skinny: 1. They've established that Shuri is not a trained melee fighter, which BP is supposed to be. 2. Letitia is nowhere near a good enough actress to replace Chadwick Boseman, whereas you have other far more skilled actesses like Lupita or Danai who could more easily handle lead role 3. Shuri was depicted as very carefree and flighty. Is this really someone that Wakanda would seemingly pick to be their protector?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 4, 2022 3:40:42 GMT
Yes, but what reason would they have to give the Black Panther mantle to someone other than Shuri, unless they simply wanted to distance themselves from Letitia Wright? Just because some people think it’s unrealistic for a skinny nerd to be a superhero, as if superhero stories are bound by realism? I can give you 3 very good reasons, and none of them have anything to do with her being skinny: 1. They've established that Shuri is not a trained melee fighter, which BP is supposed to be. 2. Letitia is nowhere near a good enough actress to replace Chadwick Boseman, whereas you have other far more skilled actesses like Lupita or Danai who could more easily handle lead role 3. Shuri was depicted as very carefree and flighty. Is this really someone that Wakanda would seemingly pick to be their protector? 1. They can have her undergo training. If anything, that can make for a decent challenge for her to overcome. 2. That’s subjective, but Shuri was a fan-favorite from the first movie. I personally never cared much for her, but as I mentioned earlier, there were people who were eager to see her don the costume even before Boseman’s passing. 3. There’s no reason she can’t go through an arc where she learns to accept the responsibility that comes with being Black Panther, and has to earn the trust of the Wakandan people. That actually sounds like it could make for decent character conflict.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2022 4:54:33 GMT
I can give you 3 very good reasons, and none of them have anything to do with her being skinny: 1. They've established that Shuri is not a trained melee fighter, which BP is supposed to be. 2. Letitia is nowhere near a good enough actress to replace Chadwick Boseman, whereas you have other far more skilled actesses like Lupita or Danai who could more easily handle lead role 3. Shuri was depicted as very carefree and flighty. Is this really someone that Wakanda would seemingly pick to be their protector? 1. They can have her undergo training. If anything, that can make for a decent challenge for her to overcome. 2. That’s subjective, but Shuri was a fan-favorite from the first movie. I personally never cared much for her, but as I mentioned earlier, there were people who were eager to see her don the costume even before Boseman’s passing. 3. There’s no reason she can’t go through an arc where she learns to accept the responsibility that comes with being Black Panther, and has to earn the trust of the Wakandan people. That actually sounds like it could make for decent character conflict. 1. So you think training for 2-3 years is enough to turn Shuri into the best fighter in Wakanda? Really? 2. You really think it's subjective to claim that a multi-award winning actress like Lupita is a better actress than a nearly unknown actress like Letitia? Can you name me one decent film where Letitia Wright played the lead character? 3. Sure, if they actually show it and properly develop her path to being BP through multiple years. Or are you saying they could just make her worthy of being BP within a short montage? But again, the question is why? Why take such a huge leap when there were other actors and characters better positioned for the role?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 4, 2022 17:43:09 GMT
1. They can have her undergo training. If anything, that can make for a decent challenge for her to overcome. 2. That’s subjective, but Shuri was a fan-favorite from the first movie. I personally never cared much for her, but as I mentioned earlier, there were people who were eager to see her don the costume even before Boseman’s passing. 3. There’s no reason she can’t go through an arc where she learns to accept the responsibility that comes with being Black Panther, and has to earn the trust of the Wakandan people. That actually sounds like it could make for decent character conflict. 1. So you think training for 2-3 years is enough to turn Shuri into the best fighter in Wakanda? Really? 2. You really think it's subjective to claim that a multi-award winning actress like Lupita is a better actress than a nearly unknown actress like Letitia? Can you name me one decent film where Letitia Wright played the lead character? 3. Sure, if they actually show it and properly develop her path to being BP through multiple years. Or are you saying they could just make her worthy of being BP within a short montage? But again, the question is why? Why take such a huge leap when there were other actors and characters better positioned for the role? 1. Again, since when do superhero stories have to be bound by realism? Besides, they can easily have Shuri rely partially on ingenuity when she’s fighting. 2. So they should go with Nakia because Luputa is an Oscar winner? That’s not a very strong reason. 3. If anything, getting Nakia or Okoye to be the next Black Panther is the leap.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 4, 2022 17:48:06 GMT
I honestly don't see the problem with Shuri taking up the mantle of Black Panther. Isn't she the princess of Wakanda and heir to the throne? It makes sense that she would be the next Black Panther.
Maybe she wears the suit for a short time before it gets passed over to someone else and they take over permanently, but I always assumed Shuri would be the next logical choice if they decided to kill off T'Challa.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 4, 2022 18:43:25 GMT
1. So you think training for 2-3 years is enough to turn Shuri into the best fighter in Wakanda? Really? 2. You really think it's subjective to claim that a multi-award winning actress like Lupita is a better actress than a nearly unknown actress like Letitia? Can you name me one decent film where Letitia Wright played the lead character? 3. Sure, if they actually show it and properly develop her path to being BP through multiple years. Or are you saying they could just make her worthy of being BP within a short montage? But again, the question is why? Why take such a huge leap when there were other actors and characters better positioned for the role? 1. Again, since when do superhero stories have to be bound by realism? Besides, they can easily have Shuri rely partially on ingenuity when she’s fighting. 2. So they should go with Nakia because Luputa is an Oscar winner? That’s not a very strong reason. 3. If anything, getting Nakia or Okoye to be the next Black Panther is the leap. 1. They're bound by the rules they set in their universes. Steve Rogers' physicality was enhanced by the super soldier serum, but you don't see him flying. Tony Stark created a super suit of armor, but you don't see him stopping time. Dr. Strange is a very powerful magic user, but you don't see him create nuclear bombs out of thin air. This isn't looney toons where anything and everything goes. The MCU is still bound by realism, and when they do somethign that isn't realistic they take great pains to provide decent explanations for it (i.e. Banner didn't just become Hulk out of nowhere, they still tried to explain that). If Shuri relies on ingenuity to fight, then that's not Black Panther. BP is a melee fighter. Now had they made Shuri into Ironheart, that would make perfect sense. Heck, they can even make her nickname Riri. 2. Are you seriously asking me what an actor's talent has got to do with them playing the leading role? You don't think an actor's acting skills have anything at all to do with how well a leading role is portrayed? 3. Why is it a leap? The Black Panther mantle is usually awarded to the best Wakandan warrior. Both Nakia and Okoye are more "warrior" than Shuri is. Not sure why you think this is more a leap.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 4, 2022 23:45:35 GMT
1. Again, since when do superhero stories have to be bound by realism? Besides, they can easily have Shuri rely partially on ingenuity when she’s fighting. 2. So they should go with Nakia because Luputa is an Oscar winner? That’s not a very strong reason. 3. If anything, getting Nakia or Okoye to be the next Black Panther is the leap. 1. They're bound by the rules they set in their universes. Steve Rogers' physicality was enhanced by the super soldier serum, but you don't see him flying. Tony Stark created a super suit of armor, but you don't see him stopping time. Dr. Strange is a very powerful magic user, but you don't see him create nuclear bombs out of thin air. This isn't looney toons where anything and everything goes. The MCU is still bound by realism, and when they do somethign that isn't realistic they take great pains to provide decent explanations for it (i.e. Banner didn't just become Hulk out of nowhere, they still tried to explain that). If Shuri relies on ingenuity to fight, then that's not Black Panther. BP is a melee fighter. Now had they made Shuri into Ironheart, that would make perfect sense. Heck, they can even make her nickname Riri. 2. Are you seriously asking me what an actor's talent has got to do with them playing the leading role? You don't think an actor's acting skills have anything at all to do with how well a leading role is portrayed? 3. Why is it a leap? The Black Panther mantle is usually awarded to the best Wakandan warrior. Both Nakia and Okoye are more "warrior" than Shuri is. Not sure why you think this is more a leap. 1. Doesn’t being Black Panther involve taking a special herb that gives you superpowers? 2. Superhero movies generally aren’t known to receive Oscar buzz. You don’t need to be an Oscar winning actor to play a superhero. 3. Nakia and Okoye never became Black Panther in the comics, and neither of them were seen as breakout stars in the first movie like Shuri was. Okoye, in particular, didn’t even receive that much focus. Her entire character is that she’s loyal to whoever is the ruler of Wakanda. I don’t think that makes for a very enticing superhero. I don’t even like Shuri, but I can hardly say I’m surprised that she would be the next Black Panther. It’s the obvious choice to go with from a thematic standpoint, and there’s already precedent for it. Edit: I should also add that Shuri is a princess, and we all know Disney loves their princesses.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 5, 2022 2:00:25 GMT
1. They're bound by the rules they set in their universes. Steve Rogers' physicality was enhanced by the super soldier serum, but you don't see him flying. Tony Stark created a super suit of armor, but you don't see him stopping time. Dr. Strange is a very powerful magic user, but you don't see him create nuclear bombs out of thin air. This isn't looney toons where anything and everything goes. The MCU is still bound by realism, and when they do somethign that isn't realistic they take great pains to provide decent explanations for it (i.e. Banner didn't just become Hulk out of nowhere, they still tried to explain that). If Shuri relies on ingenuity to fight, then that's not Black Panther. BP is a melee fighter. Now had they made Shuri into Ironheart, that would make perfect sense. Heck, they can even make her nickname Riri. 2. Are you seriously asking me what an actor's talent has got to do with them playing the leading role? You don't think an actor's acting skills have anything at all to do with how well a leading role is portrayed? 3. Why is it a leap? The Black Panther mantle is usually awarded to the best Wakandan warrior. Both Nakia and Okoye are more "warrior" than Shuri is. Not sure why you think this is more a leap. 1. Doesn’t being Black Panther involve taking a special herb that gives you superpowers? 2. Superhero movies generally aren’t known to receive Oscar buzz. You don’t need to be an Oscar winning actor to play a superhero. 3. Nakia and Okoye never became Black Panther in the comics, and neither of them were seen as breakout stars in the first movie like Shuri was. Okoye, in particular, didn’t even receive that much focus. Her entire character is that she’s loyal to whoever is the ruler of Wakanda. I don’t think that makes for a very enticing superhero. I don’t even like Shuri, but I can hardly say I’m surprised that she would be the next Black Panther. It’s the obvious choice to go with from a thematic standpoint, and there’s already precedent for it. Edit: I should also add that Shuri is a princess, and we all know Disney loves their princesses. 1. Yes, it gives you powers. It doesn't give you fighting skills, which is what Shuri is missing. 2. You don't need to be an Oscar winner, but you do need to have decent acting talent to carry a movie on your shoulders. Something that Letitia has not shown the capacity for. 3. The Ancient One was not female in the comics, neither was Mar-vell or Taskmaster. Mandarin wore rings, not bangles. Bucky was a lot younger than Steve in the comics. Ms. Marvel's powers were completely different. My point is that the MCU has shown that they're quite willing to go against what was shown in the comics when they want to. And where are you getting this idea that Letitia was a breakout star in the first movie? Heck, at least a third of the articles about her were about people getting irritated with her attitude. And sure, Okoye's role was a bit subdued, that doesn't mean she couldn't be given a bigger role moving forward.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 5, 2022 3:34:33 GMT
1. Doesn’t being Black Panther involve taking a special herb that gives you superpowers? 2. Superhero movies generally aren’t known to receive Oscar buzz. You don’t need to be an Oscar winning actor to play a superhero. 3. Nakia and Okoye never became Black Panther in the comics, and neither of them were seen as breakout stars in the first movie like Shuri was. Okoye, in particular, didn’t even receive that much focus. Her entire character is that she’s loyal to whoever is the ruler of Wakanda. I don’t think that makes for a very enticing superhero. I don’t even like Shuri, but I can hardly say I’m surprised that she would be the next Black Panther. It’s the obvious choice to go with from a thematic standpoint, and there’s already precedent for it. Edit: I should also add that Shuri is a princess, and we all know Disney loves their princesses. 1. Yes, it gives you powers. It doesn't give you fighting skills, which is what Shuri is missing. 2. You don't need to be an Oscar winner, but you do need to have decent acting talent to carry a movie on your shoulders. Something that Letitia has not shown the capacity for. 3. The Ancient One was not female in the comics, neither was Mar-vell or Taskmaster. Mandarin wore rings, not bangles. Bucky was a lot younger than Steve in the comics. Ms. Marvel's powers were completely different. My point is that the MCU has shown that they're quite willing to go against what was shown in the comics when they want to. And where are you getting this idea that Letitia was a breakout star in the first movie? Heck, at least a third of the articles about her were about people getting irritated with her attitude. And sure, Okoye's role was a bit subdued, that doesn't mean she couldn't be given a bigger role moving forward. www.thewrap.com/who-is-letitia-wright-black-panthers-breakout-star-photos/People on the Internet were definitely gushing over how much they loved Shuri back when the first movie came out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 4:42:15 GMT
What if the BP mantle actually goes to Martin Freeman’s character? That would blow everyone’s mind.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 5, 2022 15:47:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 16:46:59 GMT
I have to say I originally had almost zero interest in a BP movie without TChalla, but the trailers have won me over. I’m actually kind of excited to see this now.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 6, 2022 18:59:48 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Oct 7, 2022 15:31:10 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Oct 7, 2022 17:03:42 GMT
In an interview with Elle, Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira, who plays Nakia and Okoye, respectively, chatted about the speculations and theories about who the new Black Panther will be in the sequel. According to Gurira, audience members are not getting "all of it right," as she and Nyong'o shared the following: Nyong’o: “We love the speculation.”
Gurira: “They’re not getting all of it right!“
Nyong’o : “No, they haven’t guessed it at all.” screenrant.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-hasnt-been-guessed/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 20:13:50 GMT
In an interview with Elle, Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira, who plays Nakia and Okoye, respectively, chatted about the speculations and theories about who the new Black Panther will be in the sequel. According to Gurira, audience members are not getting "all of it right," as she and Nyong'o shared the following: Nyong’o: “We love the speculation.”
Gurira: “They’re not getting all of it right!“
Nyong’o : “No, they haven’t guessed it at all.” screenrant.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-hasnt-been-guessed/That probably means we will see multiple panthers. Nakia, Okoye and Shuri. Maybe even M’Baku.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 7, 2022 20:15:18 GMT
In an interview with Elle, Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira, who plays Nakia and Okoye, respectively, chatted about the speculations and theories about who the new Black Panther will be in the sequel. According to Gurira, audience members are not getting "all of it right," as she and Nyong'o shared the following: Nyong’o: “We love the speculation.”
Gurira: “They’re not getting all of it right!“
Nyong’o : “No, they haven’t guessed it at all.” screenrant.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-hasnt-been-guessed/That probably means we will see multiple panthers. Nakia, Okoye and Shuri. Maybe even M’Baku. I wonder if that means Shuri might die.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 20:20:02 GMT
That probably means we will see multiple panthers. Nakia, Okoye and Shuri. Maybe even M’Baku. I wonder if that means Shuri might die. I doubt it. Another character death would overshadow the grieving of T’Challa.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 8, 2022 14:56:02 GMT
I'm kinda not at all excited. I hope it does well with proper story to help this sad sack of a Phase 4(?), yet I'll watch in the spring home streaming.
The MCU is not interesting me anymore. The only thing for Ant-Man 3 is the Kang stuff, & that'll probably be a single scene.
I will be watching Captain America 4, yet merely for Sam... I don't even care how much if that thing even ties into a macro arc.
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