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Post by stickman38 on Oct 1, 2022 16:41:27 GMT
Preston Jacobs: "In Game of Thrones, we saw Tommen leap from a tower. In HotD, we see a 100 million little Aegons leap from a tower."
I stopped watching the show but I still enjoy the reviews. I'm not sure what that's suppose to mean either.
It's a sperm joke.
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 1, 2022 19:50:48 GMT
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 3, 2022 4:20:35 GMT
Episode 7 starts with maybe the worst 15 minutes in GoT history. Holy smokes it was dull and awkward. The episode kept my attention after that, but again, the pacing is a disaster. A DISASTER.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 3, 2022 8:10:27 GMT
I see people discussing pacing, time jumps, changing actors… Maybe. I never got that far. To me, this show is a complete mismatch in that it belongs in a style for which I have no use. It is essentially a female driven family soap focussing entirely on the feelings of its main character(s). I'm adding a potential plural there because it appears Alicent might be growing as the counterpart to Rhaenyra: bad bitch vs good bitch with the audience told to accept who's who because this is woke junk too, so you're absolutely not supposed to choose. It could be the modern version of a Jane Austen story if it weren't so shamelessly politicised. And that could be good, I guess. I remember watching Pride and Prejudice, which was a pure work of art. This is not. This is all about a dragon riding brat wanting what she does not really want only because she senses opposition "from the oppressive culture". Then on top of that, an author who grew up on stupid superhero comics adds an underlying world saving prophecy to enforce the buy in of that type of audience. In the end, all you really get is American feminist propaganda in which the freedom crying "progressive" bitch is presented as right over the "conservative" one and all men are somehow disparaged as whatever serves the purpose. Fuck HBO.
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 3, 2022 21:05:53 GMT
I have to disagree with others here - I think the show has been great. I like the focus on the quiet, talking scenes filled with political scheming/backstabbing. Nice to see the GOT blade come into play. Rhaenyra's son should have been ordered to lose his eye too. It was no accident Aemond losing his. The boy brought the blade into the fight, and there should have been a consequence for such an act. It was wrong of Rhaenyra to prevent accountability. Boys at the Wall lose their head for less. Viserys may be a mediocre king, but he's a terrible head of a family. He can't keep his house in order at all...it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. It's a shame. Interesting to see Otto back as Hand. It would have been good to have seen what he was up to while away from King's Landing. On a side note, Graham McTavish is so underutilized in the show that they should have just cast an extra to play the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. I wouldn't blame the actor if he was frustrated by not having anything to do.
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 3, 2022 21:26:53 GMT
I see people discussing pacing, time jumps, changing actors… Maybe. I never got that far. To me, this show is a complete mismatch in that it belongs in a style for which I have no use. It is essentially a female driven family soap focussing entirely on the feelings of its main character(s). I'm adding a potential plural there because it appears Alicent might be growing as the counterpart to Rhaenyra: bad bitch vs good bitch with the audience told to accept who's who because this is woke junk too, so you're absolutely not supposed to choose. It could be the modern version of a Jane Austen story if it weren't so shamelessly politicised. And that could be good, I guess. I remember watching Pride and Prejudice, which was a pure work of art. This is not. This is all about a dragon riding brat wanting what she does not really want only because she senses opposition "from the oppressive culture". Then on top of that, an author who grew up on stupid superhero comics adds an underlying world saving prophecy to enforce the buy in of that type of audience. In the end, all you really get is American feminist propaganda in which the freedom crying "progressive" bitch is presented as right over the "conservative" one and all men are somehow disparaged as whatever serves the purpose. Fuck HBO.
I don't think it's necessarily woke, other than throwing in a few black guys/gals with blond hair, obvious diversity hires... but what else is new in Hollywood, I think it's been pretty close to the books from what I gather.
However, Alicent and Rhaenyra are both morally grey characters and don't fit into the ol' "good vs bad" narratives.
The story itself is okay I guess, I'm not sure I can watch it all because it keeps going back and forth between good episodes and bad, it's not very consistent. Although, episode 7 was better than the atrocious ep 6.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 13, 2022 3:54:17 GMT
For what it's worth episode 8 is the best episode of the season so far. It's very satisfying and extremely well acted.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 13, 2022 12:26:55 GMT
For what it's worth episode 8 is the best episode of the season so far. It's very satisfying and extremely well acted. The story is compelling, my only real issue with HOTD is the lack of enjoyable characters. GOT had lighthearted characters like Tyrion or Podrick, wiseguy anti-heroes like Bronn or the Hound, and of course the Starks, who were the moral backbone of the story. HOTD has no sense of humor whatsoever, and is filled with nothing but Littlefingers, Lannisters and the like. Not a single plucky underdog, stern man of honor, or lovable jerk among them. Just a bunch of scheming cunts. I had read the ASOIAF books before watching the show, though I have not read Fire & Blood, so maybe that's why I'm finding it difficult to connect to the characters. Think I might get around to reading it for context. Like I said, the story is interesting enough for me to keep watching, but I can't say I'm rooting for one side or the other. Kind of hope everyone is eaten by a dragon in the final episode.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 13, 2022 13:07:24 GMT
For what it's worth episode 8 is the best episode of the season so far. It's very satisfying and extremely well acted. The story is compelling, my only real issue with HOTD is the lack of enjoyable characters. GOT had lighthearted characters like Tyrion or Podrick, wiseguy anti-heroes like Bronn or the Hound, and of course the Starks, who were the moral backbone of the story. HOTD has no sense of humor whatsoever, and is filled with nothing but Littlefingers, Lannisters and the like. Not a single plucky underdog, stern man of honor, or lovable jerk among them. Just a bunch of scheming cunts. I had read the ASOIAF books before watching the show, though I have not read Fire & Blood, so maybe that's why I'm finding it difficult to connect to the characters. Think I might get around to reading it for context. Like I said, the story is interesting enough for me to keep watching, but I can't say I'm rooting for one side or the other. Kind of hope everyone is eaten by a dragon in the final episode. I really hope they keep that up. It's a war of succession so I don't want the show to make it obvious that the Blacks are good guys and the Green the bad guys. I want the show to muddle the waters and not white wash characters. GOT did that to Tyrion. The character in the books is more morally grey than the character in the show. Cersei was also made more sympathetic. Part of the reason why I think killing off Laenor instead of letting him go would've been better for the story.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 13, 2022 13:34:11 GMT
The story is compelling, my only real issue with HOTD is the lack of enjoyable characters. GOT had lighthearted characters like Tyrion or Podrick, wiseguy anti-heroes like Bronn or the Hound, and of course the Starks, who were the moral backbone of the story. HOTD has no sense of humor whatsoever, and is filled with nothing but Littlefingers, Lannisters and the like. Not a single plucky underdog, stern man of honor, or lovable jerk among them. Just a bunch of scheming cunts. I had read the ASOIAF books before watching the show, though I have not read Fire & Blood, so maybe that's why I'm finding it difficult to connect to the characters. Think I might get around to reading it for context. Like I said, the story is interesting enough for me to keep watching, but I can't say I'm rooting for one side or the other. Kind of hope everyone is eaten by a dragon in the final episode. I really hope they keep that up. It's a war of succession so I don't want the show to make it obvious that the Blacks are good guys and the Green the bad guys. I want the show to muddle the waters and not white wash characters. GOT did that to Tyrion. The character in the books is more morally grey than the character in the show. Cersei was also made more sympathetic. Part of the reason why I think killing off Laenor instead of letting him go would've been better for the story. Cersei is much more interesting in the show than the books. Hell, so is Tywin. I think everyone is darker in the books than the show, but that's what it fun to watch. The books have a completely different tone to them that I think is better for literature than for television. Everyone on HOTD has reasonable motivations, but they don't make for particularly endearing characters. It's just a matter of personal taste, but it's harder for me to invest in a story when I don't care about any of the characters.
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 15, 2022 5:02:13 GMT
What did you guys think of King Viserys' final walk to his throne?
I thought it was a great scene. Although the king looks like a white walker in this episode.
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 15, 2022 13:58:48 GMT
What did you guys think of King Viserys' final walk to his throne? I thought it was a great scene. Although the king looks like a white walker in this episode. Wonderful scene! I would put it right up there with the best GOT scenes. Paddy Considine was amazing as Viserys Targaryen. It was truly sad to watch this man struggle for so long with his health and to fix what it's broken (his family), and knowing as the viewer he's failed miserably. Some of it is his of his own making, but the people around him only add to his troubles constantly. They stubbornly refuse to end old feuds as badly as the Capulets and the Montagues... I'm glad they made this series. It will be one a rewatch along with Game of Thrones.
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 15, 2022 19:06:55 GMT
What did you guys think of King Viserys' final walk to his throne? I thought it was a great scene. Although the king looks like a white walker in this episode. Wonderful scene! I would put it right up there with the best GOT scenes. Paddy Considine was amazing as Viserys Targaryen. It was truly sad to watch this man struggle for so long with his health and to fix what it's broken (his family), and knowing as the viewer he's failed miserably. Some of it is his of his own making, but the people around him only add to his troubles constantly. They stubbornly refuse to end old feuds as badly as the Capulets and the Montagues... I'm glad they made this series. It will be one a rewatch along with Game of Thrones.
I got to thinking about his situation a few weeks ago and it made me like him more than I did at the beginning of the show.
He's a king that has never seen war, other than in the step-stones i suppose. During his reign, it's been mostly peaceful with very little wartime.
The man was a 'just' ruler and had good intentions and that is commendable. Of course, a king like this might not be the best fit for Westeros. lol...
But still, he managed to hold it together for as long as he could and that says a lot about him.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 17, 2022 2:47:00 GMT
Well episode 9 was a slog. And after the excellent episode 8. What a shame.
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Post by pk9 on Oct 17, 2022 8:05:49 GMT
I thought it was interesting that both Alicent and Rhaenys had a chance to end the conflict decisively but their decision to act moderately allows the full civil war to happen.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 17, 2022 20:12:16 GMT
Good episode but the ending didn't make any sense. It felt that the writers just wanted something cool to happen and were willing to sacrifice logic for it.
I hope they don't make a habit of it.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 17, 2022 20:16:42 GMT
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 18, 2022 1:21:37 GMT
Good episode but the ending didn't make any sense. It felt that the writers just wanted something cool to happen and were willing to sacrifice logic for it. I hope they don't make a habit of it.
I think they already have. It appears as though they're doing a lot of things just for shock value that don't make much sense.
Ohh well. It's gotten better over the last few episodes, I will check out the final episode of season one. Season 2 is probably going to be overkill on the action scenes though, which I hope it doesn't get too tedious.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 18, 2022 6:44:52 GMT
Good episode but the ending didn't make any sense. It felt that the writers just wanted something cool to happen and were willing to sacrifice logic for it. I hope they don't make a habit of it.
I think they already have. It appears as though they're doing a lot of things just for shock value that don't make much sense.
Ohh well. It's gotten better over the last few episodes, I will check out the final episode of season one. Season 2 is probably going to be overkill on the action scenes though, which I hope it doesn't get too tedious.
This is was the first time I felt it. I don't mind action, it just has to make sense. The civil war is coming so I expect it to ramp up in the following seasons.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Oct 18, 2022 9:14:54 GMT
This is was the first time I felt it. I don't mind action, it just has to make sense. Ep. 1 showed men recklessly murdering each other for no reason at a tourney. In Spartacus, you see foreign captives made to fight each other for the entertainment of the crowd and they do because it's their only chance to survive (historical evidence shows that gladiators had better chances of survival than soldiers, which makes sense; trained fighters were a cost that needed a return). Here, it's only there so some feminist cunt could be made to say that men are that way. It then went on to show how men would knowingly sacrifice a mother to save a potentially male child. In the middle ages, priorities were clearly the other way around. Saving the mother would have taken precedence without anyone even asking the father about it. More shocking stuff and feminist crap. Ep. 2 showed how the king is pressured into re-marrying without anyone ever providing a good reason for it. The Velaryons are already part of the family and holding dragons in addition to the fleet. It could make sense if they were pushing for their son to marry the heir and even more if Viserys were pushing for this to keep all dragons closer to the throne but the show wants to further the idea of "tradition" making people do bad things: "It was expected of me"… More nonsense from the "progressive" party (as if we'd ever get anything else from them). Ep. 3 showed a completely insane and implausible solo action by Daemon against the Crabfeeder's men only for the sake of "badass action". Before that, the heir was shown not learning the job and not wanting to fulfill any part of it but still wanting it because… she would feel bad otherwise, I guess. The show hasn't been making much sense from the start.
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