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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 2:26:30 GMT
Only in Galilee. He was barely known in Jerusalem. No, He was Known in both places. He didn’t go to Jerusalem until right before he was executed, though who knows how long he had been preaching. The gospels indicate he started around the age 30, but he was probably preaching much earlier.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2023 2:28:50 GMT
No, He was Known in both places. He didn’t go to Jerusalem until right before he was executed, though who knows how long he had been preaching. The gospels indicate he started around the age 30, but he was probably preaching much earlier. According to St. John's Gospel, He Visited there prior to His Passion.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 2:34:05 GMT
He didn’t go to Jerusalem until right before he was executed, though who knows how long he had been preaching. The gospels indicate he started around the age 30, but he was probably preaching much earlier. According to St. John's Gospel, He Visited there prior to His Passion. You know don’t have to speak you’re in a convent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 2:44:21 GMT
Correct: Jesus said no one comes to the father but through Him. Not a priest, not the Pope, not Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite. Yes, as scripture states, yet it doesn't mean its true. It demonstrates a difference between Christianity and religion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 2:47:11 GMT
Operative words highlighted. This aspect isn't in dispute by me. Christianity was the embellishment of the teachings of Jesus, or Christ, as a cult glorified him to follow in his word, or "way". There is still no evidence of truth behind "The Way", especially the heavenly father part surrounding God. It is not Christian to be a decent human being. Christianity doesn't embellish anything about Jesus. Religion does that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 3:12:26 GMT
It demonstrates a difference between Christianity and religion. You mean the truth, because I'm still waiting for the evidence of Christianity to be true and I'm not referring to be good, do good. That may be the topic of the thread, but it isn't what you and I were talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 3:13:47 GMT
Christianity doesn't embellish anything about Jesus. Religion does that. However, Christianity DOES embellish Jesus as savior and this is bulldust. Are you claiming it didn't? If google can be trusted: You're talking in circles. Thanks for the fish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 3:31:57 GMT
That may be the topic of the thread, but it isn't what you and I were talking about. The topic still ties in with Christianity and what it represents for many and how it evolved. Don't you hate it when you're talking about a movie, maybe even debating about something that happened in it, and some buffoon always has to jump in with "it's just a movie, it's not even real"? I know I do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 3:33:04 GMT
You're talking in circles. Thanks for the fish. I am pointing out the circles we seem to be going around and they are not the same. Christianity leads to one going round in circles, because there is no savior in Jesus as Christianity has embellished him. Again, are you claiming that the cult of Christianity doesn't involve accepting Jesus as savior for our sins? What I'm saying is that one doesn't need to be a member of a religion to be a Christian. I understand that a lot of people disagree, especially those who think Catholicism is Christianity, and they are a large part of that lot.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 4:28:48 GMT
Yes, as scripture states, yet it doesn't mean its true. It demonstrates a difference between Christianity and religion. So, now Christianity is not a religion.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 4:29:52 GMT
This aspect isn't in dispute by me. Christianity was the embellishment of the teachings of Jesus, or Christ, as a cult glorified him to follow in his word, or "way". There is still no evidence of truth behind "The Way", especially the heavenly father part surrounding God. It is not Christian to be a decent human being. Christianity doesn't embellish anything about Jesus. Religion does that. The religion wrote the gospels and NT.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 4:31:23 GMT
I am pointing out the circles we seem to be going around and they are not the same. Christianity leads to one going round in circles, because there is no savior in Jesus as Christianity has embellished him. Again, are you claiming that the cult of Christianity doesn't involve accepting Jesus as savior for our sins? What I'm saying is that one doesn't need to be a member of a religion to be a Christian. I understand that a lot of people disagree, especially those who think Catholicism is Christianity, and they are a large part of that lot. If you say you're a Christian, then you've already bought into the religion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 4:37:51 GMT
It demonstrates a difference between Christianity and religion. So, now Christianity is not a religion. Looks like someone has some catching up to do. Page 6 of this thread would be a good place to start: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/5772790/thread
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2023 4:46:43 GMT
Correct. But, what is wrong with that? No, it all began with the Sermon on the Mount. Our Lord Jesus Accumulated a huge following, in the 3 years of His Public Ministry. Nothing is wrong with it, yet the term Christ fitted in well with glory and the worship that went along with it for those that chose to follow. Christ became known as a savior for many. This is the first flaw in the teachings. Even the original word Messiah, - rather Moshiach - is still fitted with glory & potential worship. St. Peter was the very first to publicly declare Our Lord Jesus, this Title (St. Matthew chapter 16, verse 19), & Our Lord Gave him the Name "Peter," (his original name was Simon BarJonah) which meant 'Rock.' There were a few times during Our Lord Jesus' Public Ministry, where people tried to force Him to Be a King (so as to overthrow Roman rule in Palestine, no doubt), & He Would Run from them, when they would try to do this.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 5:44:31 GMT
That's too far back, forget about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:15:19 GMT
Don't you hate it when you're talking about a movie, maybe even debating about something that happened in it, and some buffoon always has to jump in with "it's just a movie, it's not even real"? I know I do. Well, you've mentioned this previously and since the God of Christianity can't be proven real, there is a point to me made here, that there is really no point discussing a hypothetical absurd topic as asked. Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2023 6:18:06 GMT
Well, you've mentioned this previously and since the God of Christianity can't be proven real, there is a point to me made here, that there is really no point discussing a hypothetical absurd topic as asked. Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical. Catholicism is part of Christianity. It is not its own independent religion, & in fact, the original denomination of Christianity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:21:28 GMT
Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical. Please see my other response just sent. Ok... What I'm saying is that one doesn't need to be a member of a religion to be a Christian. I understand that a lot of people disagree, especially those who think Catholicism is Christianity, and they are a large part of that lot. And what I am saying, to be a Christian, (in the most genuine sense of the term), Christianity in its first "inception" and as it evolved as an order, involves accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. Even Catholics believe this to my knowledge. I don't care to intellectualize or go into the pedantics/differences in Jesus worshiping religions/institutions because it is just another wall to run up against.
If one see's themselves as a Christian, even if not worshiping within a specific faith/temple, it comes down to the same belief, Jesus Saves! This is based on cult/order/sect/community/religious doctrines. It comes down to a belief formed out of fragmented and deluded mindsets. This instills and always will create conflict of belief/mind. There is NO way around this.
Due to how Christianity has evolved over the past 2 centuries, it will always associated with religion and understandably so. Jesus wasn't about Christianity per se, until someone/something made him about Christianity. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:21:51 GMT
Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical. Catholicism is part of Christianity. It is not its own independent religion, & in fact, the original denomination of Christianity. Do you call yourself a Catholic or a Christian?
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:22:55 GMT
Well, you've mentioned this previously and since the God of Christianity can't be proven real, there is a point to me made here, that there is really no point discussing a hypothetical absurd topic as asked. Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical. Wow, you are out there with the Catholics are not Christians thing. Very old school anti-papist.
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