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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:25:01 GMT
Why would I argue with you about whether or not it's real? I don't care what you believe, and it's not my intention to convince you either way. The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam, none of which are hypothetical. Wow, you are out there with the Catholics are not Christians thing. Very old school anti-papist. I never said Catholics aren't Christians, but wow, you are out there with the Catholicism is Christianity thing.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:25:16 GMT
Catholicism is part of Christianity. It is not its own independent religion, & in fact, the original denomination of Christianity. Do you call yourself a Catholic or a Christian? I daresay does in the same way a Lutheran calls himself a Christian or Baptist calls herself a Christian. Christ mean anointed one. Any king is an anointed one.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:27:39 GMT
Wow, you are out there with the Catholics are not Christians thing. Very old school anti-papist. I never said Catholics aren't Christians, but wow, you are out there with the Catholicism is Christianity thing. I guess we found you out. You are not anything other than a troll.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:29:03 GMT
Ok... The issue here is whether or not Christianity is a religion in the same sense as Catholicism or Islam. Please define religion as you see it, because as I "currently" see it, it is a religious order, same as Catholicism and Islam. The order of Christianity had to evolve somewhere, as I have already pointed out and what the core belief is. It just wasn't referred to as religion, but that is playing with semantics when using other terms that are synonymous with religion and its dynamic.
It's become clear that however we reply to JC, he's going to disagree with it even if he agreed with 10 minutes earlier. I don't think he can help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:33:27 GMT
Do you call yourself a Catholic or a Christian? I daresay does in the same way a Lutheran calls himself a Christian or Baptist calls herself a Christian. Christ mean anointed one. Any king is an anointed one. Imagine someone who simply calls himself a Christian. Not Catholic, not Lutheran, not Baptist. Just Christian, no more, no less. Would you scramble your brain trying to figure out what kind of Christian he is?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:36:01 GMT
I never said Catholics aren't Christians, but wow, you are out there with the Catholicism is Christianity thing. I guess we found you out. You are not anything other than a troll. As always, this is your dance, Paul. I'm just following your lead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:38:46 GMT
It's become clear that however we reply to JC, he's going to disagree with it even if he agreed with 10 minutes earlier. I don't think he can help himself. I just feel within JC's concept and context of Christianity, he labels himself Christian yet doesn't worship a specific denomination of Christianity. If he accepts the core belief behind what Jesus taught and what Christianity propagated as Jesus Christ Savior, he is then a free-lance Christian.
If he doesn't accept the Christ the savior thing, yet sees Christianity as doing the best and appropriate thing by each other within humanity, then technically he isn't Christian, only a selective one.
Are we not talking about the differences between religion and Christianity anymore? You guys are all talking about me, and yet somehow I'm the troll. lol Thanks for the chat.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:42:05 GMT
I daresay does in the same way a Lutheran calls himself a Christian or Baptist calls herself a Christian. Christ mean anointed one. Any king is an anointed one. Imagine someone who simply calls himself a Christian. Not Catholic, not Lutheran, not Baptist. Just Christian, no more, no less. Would you scramble your brain trying to figure out what kind of Christian he is? That's fine. There are denominations that call themselves that. You also do not have to darken a church door or even be baptized. If you think you are a Christian, you are one, that's what matters. However, you and Clu do not have a different religion. You have some dogma and ritual differences is all. For a religion of peace, all Christians seem to do is fight, backbite, put each other down and gossip. This is one of the reasons I left. Who wants be around that?
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:43:38 GMT
I guess we found you out. You are not anything other than a troll. As always, this is your dance, Paul. I'm just following your lead. You guys do keep reminding me why I left the church. You really are not very nice people.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 6:46:49 GMT
I just feel within JC's concept and context of Christianity, he labels himself Christian yet doesn't worship a specific denomination of Christianity. If he accepts the core belief behind what Jesus taught and what Christianity propagated as Jesus Christ Savior, he is then a free-lance Christian.
If he doesn't accept the Christ the savior thing, yet sees Christianity as doing the best and appropriate thing by each other within humanity, then technically he isn't Christian, only a selective one.
Are we not talking about the differences between religion and Christianity anymore? You guys are all talking about me, and yet somehow I'm the troll. lol Thanks for the chat. Because you don't want to chat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 6:54:50 GMT
Imagine someone who simply calls himself a Christian. Not Catholic, not Lutheran, not Baptist. Just Christian, no more, no less. Would you scramble your brain trying to figure out what kind of Christian he is? That's fine. There are denominations that call themselves that. You also do not have to darken a church door or even be baptized. If you think you are a Christian, you are one, that's what matters. However, you and Clu do not have a different religion. You have some dogma and ritual differences is all. For a religion of peace, all Christians seem to do is fight, backbite, put each other down and gossip. This is one of the reasons I left. Who wants be around that? You seem to really hate objectivity. I don't condemn anyone for believing Catholicism is Christianity, or even that Jesus is God. I simply disagree. Should we compare that with those who condemn all theists for being what they deem to be religious nutbags? There's no personal judgment on my part. Well, I mean, I think you're a bit of an arrogant and condescending ass when you aren't being a whiny little bitch, but that's irrelevant. As always, this is your dance, Paul. I'm just following your lead. You guys do keep reminding me why I left the church. You really are not very nice people. What I said to you was no different than what you said to me, Paul. In fact, it was damn near a verbatim quote. Like I said, I was just following your lead. If you don't want these chats to get all childish and snotty, then don't make them that way.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 7:34:16 GMT
That's fine. There are denominations that call themselves that. You also do not have to darken a church door or even be baptized. If you think you are a Christian, you are one, that's what matters. However, you and Clu do not have a different religion. You have some dogma and ritual differences is all. For a religion of peace, all Christians seem to do is fight, backbite, put each other down and gossip. This is one of the reasons I left. Who wants be around that? You seem to really hate objectivity. I don't condemn anyone for believing Catholicism is Christianity, or even that Jesus is God. I simply disagree. Should we compare that with those who condemn all theists for being what they deem to be religious nutbags? There's no personal judgment on my part. Well, I mean, I think you're a bit of an arrogant and condescending ass when you aren't being a whiny little bitch, but that's irrelevant. You guys do keep reminding me why I left the church. You really are not very nice people. What I said to you was no different than what you said to me, Paul. In fact, it was damn near a verbatim quote. Like I said, I was just following your lead. If you don't want these chats to get all childish and snotty, then don't make them that way. I hate objectivity, but I just said you can be a Christian without joining meaning you can define it anyway you want. I give up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 7:51:06 GMT
You seem to really hate objectivity. I don't condemn anyone for believing Catholicism is Christianity, or even that Jesus is God. I simply disagree. Should we compare that with those who condemn all theists for being what they deem to be religious nutbags? There's no personal judgment on my part. Well, I mean, I think you're a bit of an arrogant and condescending ass when you aren't being a whiny little bitch, but that's irrelevant. What I said to you was no different than what you said to me, Paul. In fact, it was damn near a verbatim quote. Like I said, I was just following your lead. If you don't want these chats to get all childish and snotty, then don't make them that way. I hate objectivity, but I just said you can be a Christian without joining meaning you can define it anyway you want. I give up. And so for all the reasons I've been trying to explain, I define it as not a religion, and I'm totally indifferent to whether it is or isn't. Your initial response to that was a snarky comment with an eye roll. It makes sense that you hate objectivity. It isn't your friend.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 8:14:03 GMT
I hate objectivity, but I just said you can be a Christian without joining meaning you can define it anyway you want. I give up. And so for all the reasons I've been trying to explain, I define it as not a religion, and I'm totally indifferent to whether it is or isn't. Your initial response to that was a snarky comment with an eye roll. It makes sense that you hate objectivity. It isn't your friend. A person cannot have nice conversation with you because you think there is a win or lose at stake.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 9:00:38 GMT
Are we not talking about the differences between religion and Christianity anymore? You guys are all talking about me, and yet somehow I'm the troll. lol Thanks for the chat. I wasn't the one that referred to you as a troll.
Haven't we already covered the differences/semantics regarding what religion is? You have offered interesting insights, even if not being fully understood on what you have attempted to convey about your concept of Christianity vs religion.
I offered this coda to another poster who replied to me, based on what has been commented on by you and what was mentioned by them. It wasn't devised to insult you and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I am only trying to find some common ground with what you have been expressing, which I can only tap dance around, because your point isn't quite gelling with me. I'm also sorry I can't be exactly on your side here, but is isn't always about winning and losing, just about finding some discernment. As you said, I attempted to convey something about religion and Christianity, but it wasn't understood. How does that lead into anything about me personally (or anyone, for that matter)? There was nothing here about winning or losing. I just disagree with your assertion that Christianity is a religion. If you understand why, then no further explanation is needed. I'm happy to respond to your arguments against it as long as you don't accuse me of doing so to "win." Because if that's what I'm doing, then that's what everyone is doing, including you. You keep saying that Christianity couldn't have existed without Jesus' resurrection, therefore it wasn't Christianity before then and anything Jesus may have said and done while he was alive can't be called Christianity. That's like saying a race isn't a race until someone crosses the finish line. You also keep mixing belief in God into the equation to bolster your argument that Christianity is a religion, which brings us right back to my first statement that still stands on page 6. "You can say it's a religion in the sense of religion being merely a belief in God, but not religion in the sense of institution. Remember, this is about Christianity itself, not a denomination."Fun fact: Just a few posts ago, you said, and I quote, "religion/institution." The reason you chose to phrase it that way seems important to this discussion. Were you just making sure nobody would mistake that for religion as mere belief in God? Or is it your contention that mere belief in God is an institution? (We're supposed to say 'organization,' by the way. I learned that many pages ago.) And in between all that, you want get back to the actual topic of thread and argue the veracity of all of it. As for I'm sorry if this comes across as condescending or otherwise insulting, but I just don't feel that anything I've said is difficult to understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 9:03:24 GMT
And so for all the reasons I've been trying to explain, I define it as not a religion, and I'm totally indifferent to whether it is or isn't. Your initial response to that was a snarky comment with an eye roll. It makes sense that you hate objectivity. It isn't your friend. A person cannot have nice conversation with you because you think there is a win or lose at stake. That's quite a bold claim you got there, Paul.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 9:36:58 GMT
A person cannot have nice conversation with you because you think there is a win or lose at stake. That's quite a bold claim you got there, Paul. If you say so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 9:39:36 GMT
That's quite a bold claim you got there, Paul. If you say so. You should try it sometime. Prove yourself wrong.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 15, 2023 9:44:37 GMT
You should try it sometime. Prove yourself wrong. Why don't you pray about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 9:46:52 GMT
You should try it sometime. Prove yourself wrong. Why don't you pray about it. For two reasons: 1) I don't pray, and 2) I don't think that's how prayer is supposed to work. See? That wasn't so hard.
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