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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 0:50:16 GMT
I'm not surprised. This is usually what happens when you're cramming these films and shows out as quickly as they do. If Marvel were recreating the twin towers before they were destroyed using computer generated effects it would make sense for people to criticize the effects because the buildings were real... but to come on to a forum to talk about how dodgy a microscopic fantasy world should look like is the most retarded thing that someone could post on a forum regardless of whether VFX designers are infighting or not.
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Post by Marv on Feb 23, 2023 2:45:36 GMT
Just want to say I'm all for every aspect of filmmaking getting the proper amount of time to make the product the best it can be. So if giving vfx teams an extra month to work on things means that we get Antman 3 in March as opposed to February, Im perfectly ok with that.
However I didn't notice anything particularly bad about any of the visual effects in the Antman 3 film. I actually consider the visuals one of the bigger strengths of the film. So when we get these reports after the fact attempting to excuse away any faults in the cgi I really don't understand it.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 23, 2023 4:04:24 GMT
Some people are smoking crack. Thought the movie was pretty damn good. Much better than the second Ant-Man movie. There are some where I could see the criticisms (MOKOK being a silly character who's CGI isn't great, various complaints about the amount and quality of the CGI, some overuse of the MCU humor-during-serious-moments thing), but I still really liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 6:03:46 GMT
Just want to say I'm all for every aspect of filmmaking getting the proper amount of time to make the product the best it can be. So if giving vfx teams an extra month to work on things means that we get Antman 3 in March as opposed to February, Im perfectly ok with that. However I didn't notice anything particularly bad about any of the visual effects in the Antman 3 film. I actually consider the visuals one of the bigger strengths of the film. So when we get these reports after the fact attempting to excuse away any faults in the cgi I really don't understand it. I really thought some of the green screen was shockingly bad in the first half. It just looked like Michael Douglas standing in front of a big television- which was exactly what he was doing (The VOLUME). No depth to the background at all. And they still use the shallow focus trick to hide green screen. Once you see it you can’t unsee it. If you’re curious about it watch the scene in Wakanda Forever where Martin Freeman meets with Shuri in the woods.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 23, 2023 8:13:12 GMT
Just want to say I'm all for every aspect of filmmaking getting the proper amount of time to make the product the best it can be. So if giving vfx teams an extra month to work on things means that we get Antman 3 in March as opposed to February, Im perfectly ok with that. However I didn't notice anything particularly bad about any of the visual effects in the Antman 3 film. I actually consider the visuals one of the bigger strengths of the film. So when we get these reports after the fact attempting to excuse away any faults in the cgi I really don't understand it. VFX teams are being put under great deal of stress to put the films are shows out with a small team. Reportedly marvel been making last minute changes to the film, forcing even more crunch time. I get that some fans hate waiting for the movie or show, but it sounds like they could benefit from giving them more time to work on the film and maybe even create a less stressful work environment.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 24, 2023 3:08:41 GMT
Did anyone else get Star Wars cantina vibes from this movie??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 4:15:59 GMT
Did anyone else get Star Wars cantina vibes from this movie?? There was even a character that looks like Ackbar!
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 24, 2023 5:21:22 GMT
It IS a little amusing that the MCU put out movies that were better "Star Wars" films than the entirety of the Prequel era. First it was Guardians of the Galaxy and now this.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 24, 2023 5:29:46 GMT
It's a weird response considering how letdown I was to Multiverse of Madness + Love & Thunder's silliness. I was primed & ready for more of that silliness, esp considering an Ant-Man installment, thus I can embrace the film for what is & not what those former 2 films weren't. Better than Ant-Man 2 which has shown to be the most needless movie of the entire MCU.
Kang wins the film. Lang has proven me that he simply plays better among ensemble. Ant-Man 3 is like live action The Incredibles - everyone is in a suit/has superhero access yes? I think that's a sneaky flaw towards superhero fatigue - if everyone has a f'n suit &/or powers, wtf are we even doing anymore?!?
Still, it's a fairly good movie as harmless entertainment, one of the best for all-ages in the MCU. Still, it felt like a giant Disney+ series crammed into 1 giant episode. At least we're well on the path of Phase 5 now, the origin of the idea of the multiverse can be put to bed now... & get on with intrigue, conflict, & payoffs.
I feel like Guardians 3 is going to be overly heavy on its drama & arcs, considering it was a COVID production yes? Art imitating life as it were? Are we even going to touch the multiverse stuff with Guardians 3?? I'm betting not, until a post-post credits stinger that has nothing to do with Guardians, likely being filmed somewhere a few weeks before the end of April lols.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 24, 2023 7:29:11 GMT
Saw it. It was okay. The “Volume” looks fucking awful and they need to stop using it. Some of those backgrounds looked like total shit. How do these effects keep getting worse? It’s crazy. The first half almost lost me. They were trying waaaaay too hard to replicate Thor Ragnorock and it just didn’t land all that well. It was just deliberately weird and cartoonish for its own sake. Once Kang is introduced it really picked up. But it also felt too much like a set up for future movies. Kang’s motivation to get out of the Quantum Realm felt like it had zero impact on this story and its characters. His powers of manipulating time not only are unexplained they are completely irrelevant to this movie. It’s basically just “Ant Man has to stop Kang or else he will be the villain in the next Avengers movie!”. In fact, this is probably the single worst example of a forced sequel set up in the MCU so far. It would have been far better to just actually commit to doing some interesting world building in the Quantum Realm. Outside of all the random weirdness the movie does absolutely no world building before it just completely moves on to Kang. C+ It looks like every quantum realm I visited. I think they filmed it for the 3-D effect. It wasn't the best, but I like the actual comic book "look" and attitude of the movie. Though script could have been lifted right off the pages of the comics, so the characters dialogue was sophomoric. The actors were good and I love Modock. I gave it a B or 80/100.
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Post by Lux on Feb 24, 2023 11:19:54 GMT
It's a weird response considering how letdown I was to Multiverse of Madness + Love & Thunder's silliness. I was primed & ready for more of that silliness, esp considering an Ant-Man installment, thus I can embrace the film for what is & not what those former 2 films weren't. Better than Ant-Man 2 which has shown to be the most needless movie of the entire MCU. Kang wins the film. Lang has proven me that he simply plays better among ensemble. Ant-Man 3 is like live action The Incredibles - everyone is in a suit/has superhero access yes? I think that's a sneaky flaw towards superhero fatigue - if everyone has a f'n suit &/or powers, wtf are we even doing anymore?!? Still, it's a fairly good movie as harmless entertainment, one of the best for all-ages in the MCU. Still, it felt like a giant Disney+ series crammed into 1 giant episode. At least we're well on the path of Phase 5 now, the origin of the idea of the multiverse can be put to bed now... & get on with intrigue, conflict, & payoffs. I feel like Guardians 3 is going to be overly heavy on its drama & arcs, considering it was a COVID production yes? Art imitating life as it were? Are we even going to touch the multiverse stuff with Guardians 3?? I'm betting not, until a post-post credits stinger that has nothing to do with Guardians, likely being filmed somewhere a few weeks before the end of April lols. Everyone had a suit in this? Or just Scott, Kang, Scott's daughter and his wife but not Hank and his wife in this? What the fuck were you even watching would be a better question.
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Post by merh on Feb 25, 2023 8:32:01 GMT
I liked it, but I see why it isn't everyone's cup of tea. Ant-Man isn't the character you'd expect for this kind of story, and Ant-Man movies have traditionally been low stakes affairs on a (pardon the pun) smaller scale. So it's almost a lose/lose from the audience's perspective. I'd say the movie's biggest flaw is that it isn't as dark as it wants to be. Whether that was Fiege's or corporate's call, we may never know. But this film is essentially a moral quandary of the highest order, dressed up as a silly off-world romp. The question this film asks is one of order vs chaos, 'freedom' vs 'civility.' A question as old as human civilization itself. Is a culture, a land, a people, better off under supervision and guidance of a higher power, or better off left to its own devices? Your perspective on this topic will greatly inform your views on the villain of the story. Though it isn't required, it helps to have seen the introduction to this character on the Loki Disney+ show. There you get a better understanding of what's going on. On that show, a much more jovial version of Kang explains that he has taken control of all timelines in order to prevent war and chaos from spreading throughout the multiverse. (Spoilers ahead if you haven't seen the show) That version is killed, allowing the chaos to begin spreading. Again, what you see in Quantumania is a more driven, more warlike version of the character trying to control the spread of chaos by dominating the world he currently inhabits (Quantum Realm). He was exiled by his peers, but through Janet's brief visions, we have little to no insight as to the benevolence of his peers compared to Kang. Considering his warning to Scott, it's safe to assume this Kang believed himself to be the lesser evil, though I suppose most villains do. Helping the rebellion, preventing his escape; in the moment, these were the morally right decisions. Steve Rodgers would've done the same. But once more, the question this story is asking is, is that right? Is that truly what's best for everyone? How close is Utilitarianism to fascism? It's a question left hanging at the end of this movie, and I personally appreciated how they came back to it at the end, after all the bells and whistles. The green screen vomit was a lot to take in, though I didn't mind it as much as others. Mostly I thought it took away from the story by default, since it was clear much more was spent on the visuals rather than the presentation of the philosophical concepts. Then again, it could be argued that the bright lights sufficiently outshined the story so as not to beat the audience over the head with high minded concepts. I would've leaned into the philosophy heavier; I have more faith in the audience than the filmmakers do, I suppose. Specifics: The visuals were fun and inventive, if a bit much at times. There were plenty of clever ideas, the universal translator ooze was great. All of those little side characters had their own unique charm. It was good to see ants play a significant role in the third act, it is an Ant-Man movie after all. Doubly great that the original Ant-Man got to shine. Though I have to say the action scenes overall left a lot to be desired. Not many memorable fight scenes or clever use of powers on display, but the probability field stuff was neat. Way too much MODOK/Darren. Would've made for a great cameo, not a major part of the climax. You could've eliminated 80% of his screen time and still got the two or three best laughs from his scenes. For someone who has allegedly defeated the Avengers in other timelines, Kang was undone fairly easily. Giant-Man kicks down some buildings, a bunch of ants overwhelm his forcefield, and he eventually fights Scott Lang of all people, h2h to a virtual stalemate before Wasp blasts him a few times. This guy conquered multiple timelines? It's a minor nitpick, I guess. Power levels fluctuate to suit the current moment in the narrative, it happens in every movie. Going forward with every write up, I think I'll have a category devoted to scenes that shouldn't have been in the trailer. There are two that come to mind for Quantumania. Scott saying, "I don't have to win, we both just have to lose." It's very clearly the climax of the film and should never have been included in the trailer. The second is the Bill Murray reveal. If they had kept his involvement under wraps, or at the very least not revealed who he was playing, his introduction is 1000% better. But we all saw it in the trailer, so as the camera is following him into the scene we're all thinking, "Here comes Bill Murray." Overall I liked the movie quite a bit, despite its flaws. It isn't a top tier MCU flick, that's for sure. The story beats are admittedly paint by number, but the visual presentation and the questions regarding morality and civics lift it above the silliness it veils itself in. Fittingly for this franchise's namesake, you just have to be willing to look closer. Kang is a mass murderer and dictator, I don't think "Is taking him out the right thing to do" comes into play here.
I don't think your nitpicking at all, it's a very valid complaint. I've seen marketing or comments from review outlets saying stuff like, "Kang is a Thanos-level threat."Based on what we've seen, that's a ridiculous comment. Two versions of him have been killed now and he's supposed to be the big bad for whenever the next version of The Avengers are seen teaming up again.
Have they? Honestly, do we know this version is dead? Or are we going to see him in Kang Dynasty like the "dead" Red Skull turned up? He was sucked into the time device.
Hell, its possible Scott is stuck ij the Quantum Realm .
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 25, 2023 11:46:52 GMT
It's a weird response considering how letdown I was to Multiverse of Madness + Love & Thunder's silliness. I was primed & ready for more of that silliness, esp considering an Ant-Man installment, thus I can embrace the film for what is & not what those former 2 films weren't. Better than Ant-Man 2 which has shown to be the most needless movie of the entire MCU. Kang wins the film. Lang has proven me that he simply plays better among ensemble. Ant-Man 3 is like live action The Incredibles - everyone is in a suit/has superhero access yes? I think that's a sneaky flaw towards superhero fatigue - if everyone has a f'n suit &/or powers, wtf are we even doing anymore?!? Still, it's a fairly good movie as harmless entertainment, one of the best for all-ages in the MCU. Still, it felt like a giant Disney+ series crammed into 1 giant episode. At least we're well on the path of Phase 5 now, the origin of the idea of the multiverse can be put to bed now... & get on with intrigue, conflict, & payoffs. I feel like Guardians 3 is going to be overly heavy on its drama & arcs, considering it was a COVID production yes? Art imitating life as it were? Are we even going to touch the multiverse stuff with Guardians 3?? I'm betting not, until a post-post credits stinger that has nothing to do with Guardians, likely being filmed somewhere a few weeks before the end of April lols. Everyone had a suit in this? Or just Scott, Kang, Scott's daughter and his wife but not Hank and his wife in this? What the fuck were you even watching would be a better question.A fun movie that you are free to avoid.
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Post by Lux on Feb 25, 2023 12:18:53 GMT
Everyone had a suit in this? Or just Scott, Kang, Scott's daughter and his wife but not Hank and his wife in this? What the fuck were you even watching would be a better question.A fun movie that you are free to avoid. The question was because he sounded like he watched a completely different movie. Antman3 was fun Modok wasn't but that's another story.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 25, 2023 14:59:05 GMT
Kang is a mass murderer and dictator, I don't think "Is taking him out the right thing to do" comes into play here.
I don't think your nitpicking at all, it's a very valid complaint. I've seen marketing or comments from review outlets saying stuff like, "Kang is a Thanos-level threat."Based on what we've seen, that's a ridiculous comment. Two versions of him have been killed now and he's supposed to be the big bad for whenever the next version of The Avengers are seen teaming up again.
Have they? Honestly, do we know this version is dead? Or are we going to see him in Kang Dynasty like the "dead" Red Skull turned up? He was sucked into the time device.
Hell, its possible Scott is stuck ij the Quantum Realm . Oh, I hope he is still alive. I did not care for the movie, but am interested in the character, and seeing him killed twice now would be pretty lame. Not much of a big bad if that's the case.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 25, 2023 21:07:28 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2023 15:06:34 GMT
Saw it again with the little guy yesterday. He's 8 and he loves it, haters and trolls make of that what you will. My initial review stands as called after a second viewing, though something really stood out to me this time.
There's this odd sequence during the final battle where Scott is screaming like a maniac, and it doesn't come across as particularly heroic. Keep in mind that during the entire film, Cassie is criticizing Scott for not getting involved in struggles unless they directly affect him. Whether it be the protest she was taking part in, or the earlier battle with Kang's forces. He only wants to protect Cassie, the rest of the world be damned.
So fast forward to the final battle, after Scott had retrieved the McGuffin for Kang in exchange for Cassie, and Kang doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. The rest of the family has reunited, everyone now knows how deadly and sinister Kang truly is. Scott shows up in truly massive form (there are no rules because it's the Quantum Realm, I guess) and starts trashing the place while yelling, "KANG! WE HAD A DEAL! OUR WORD IS OUR BOND! WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE NOTHING!!!"
Two thoughts here. One, it shows Scott had no arc in this film. Zero character growth, he learned nothing. He isn't screaming about how many people Kang has killed, he's just pissed Kang didn't give Cassie back to him. The whole fight is still about Cassie, he doesn't care what happens to the Quantum Realm. Two, it's very un-Scott like. Our word is our bond? Without that we're nothing? What the fuck? I had completely forgotten/not paid attention to this the first time around, and kept waiting for a closeup where Scott is chuckling and says, "I think I got his attention, let's hope this works," or something like that. But no. There has to be a deleted couple of lines from the script or something, because it's the only thing that makes sense. This just isn't stuff Scott would say.
The other explanation would be Scott was losing his shit from being so big. While that would be a fun wrinkle, that's total head canon on my part, completely unsubstantiated by anything on screen. It's just weird, it's a weird moment. If I really wanted to go next level 12D chess in the MCU, I could wonder if he's a skrull or something, but that just doesn't make any sense at all, and surely one of those variants in the probability storm would've been a skrull. Which I have to admit, would've been amazing.
Anyway, I still enjoyed it the second time around. It has its problems, just like any film does. It isn't top tier MCU, but I still dig it. It's fun, because the Ant-Man movies have always been about having fun with the concept. Just thought Scott went a little crazy and became a different person for a minute, for no particular reason.
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Post by Lux on Feb 26, 2023 16:50:18 GMT
Saw it again with the little guy yesterday. He's 8 and he loves it, haters and trolls make of that what you will. My initial review stands as called after a second viewing, though something really stood out to me this time. There's this odd sequence during the final battle where Scott is screaming like a maniac, and it doesn't come across as particularly heroic. Keep in mind that during the entire film, Cassie is criticizing Scott for not getting involved in struggles unless they directly affect him. Whether it be the protest she was taking part in, or the earlier battle with Kang's forces. He only wants to protect Cassie, the rest of the world be damned. So fast forward to the final battle, after Scott had retrieved the McGuffin for Kang in exchange for Cassie, and Kang doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. The rest of the family has reunited, everyone now knows how deadly and sinister Kang truly is. Scott shows up in truly massive form (there are no rules because it's the Quantum Realm, I guess) and starts trashing the place while yelling, "KANG! WE HAD A DEAL! OUR WORD IS OUR BOND! WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE NOTHING!!!" Two thoughts here. One, it shows Scott had no arc in this film. Zero character growth, he learned nothing. He isn't screaming about how many people Kang has killed, he's just pissed Kang didn't give Cassie back to him. The whole fight is still about Cassie, he doesn't care what happens to the Quantum Realm. Two, it's very un-Scott like. Our word is our bond? Without that we're nothing? What the fuck? I had completely forgotten/not paid attention to this the first time around, and kept waiting for a closeup where Scott is chuckling and says, "I think I got his attention, let's hope this works," or something like that. But no. There has to be a deleted couple of lines from the script or something, because it's the only thing that makes sense. This just isn't stuff Scott would say. The other explanation would be Scott was losing his shit from being so big. While that would be a fun wrinkle, that's total head canon on my part, completely unsubstantiated by anything on screen. It's just weird, it's a weird moment. If I really wanted to go next level 12D chess in the MCU, I could wonder if he's a skrull or something, but that just doesn't make any sense at all, and surely one of those variants in the probability storm would've been a skrull. Which I have to admit, would've been amazing. Anyway, I still enjoyed it the second time around. It has its problems, just like any film does. It isn't top tier MCU, but I still dig it. It's fun, because the Ant-Man movies have always been about having fun with the concept. Just thought Scott went a little crazy and became a different person for a minute, for no particular reason. Why would Scott care about a bunch of literal strangers from another universe over his own child? Scott has had many awkward moments in the Quantum Realm just as he has alongside humans on his own planet too he's never been Tony Stark.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 26, 2023 17:46:23 GMT
Saw it again with the little guy yesterday. He's 8 and he loves it, haters and trolls make of that what you will. My initial review stands as called after a second viewing, though something really stood out to me this time. There's this odd sequence during the final battle where Scott is screaming like a maniac, and it doesn't come across as particularly heroic. Keep in mind that during the entire film, Cassie is criticizing Scott for not getting involved in struggles unless they directly affect him. Whether it be the protest she was taking part in, or the earlier battle with Kang's forces. He only wants to protect Cassie, the rest of the world be damned. So fast forward to the final battle, after Scott had retrieved the McGuffin for Kang in exchange for Cassie, and Kang doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. The rest of the family has reunited, everyone now knows how deadly and sinister Kang truly is. Scott shows up in truly massive form (there are no rules because it's the Quantum Realm, I guess) and starts trashing the place while yelling, "KANG! WE HAD A DEAL! OUR WORD IS OUR BOND! WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE NOTHING!!!" Two thoughts here. One, it shows Scott had no arc in this film. Zero character growth, he learned nothing. He isn't screaming about how many people Kang has killed, he's just pissed Kang didn't give Cassie back to him. The whole fight is still about Cassie, he doesn't care what happens to the Quantum Realm. Two, it's very un-Scott like. Our word is our bond? Without that we're nothing? What the fuck? I had completely forgotten/not paid attention to this the first time around, and kept waiting for a closeup where Scott is chuckling and says, "I think I got his attention, let's hope this works," or something like that. But no. There has to be a deleted couple of lines from the script or something, because it's the only thing that makes sense. This just isn't stuff Scott would say. The other explanation would be Scott was losing his shit from being so big. While that would be a fun wrinkle, that's total head canon on my part, completely unsubstantiated by anything on screen. It's just weird, it's a weird moment. If I really wanted to go next level 12D chess in the MCU, I could wonder if he's a skrull or something, but that just doesn't make any sense at all, and surely one of those variants in the probability storm would've been a skrull. Which I have to admit, would've been amazing. Anyway, I still enjoyed it the second time around. It has its problems, just like any film does. It isn't top tier MCU, but I still dig it. It's fun, because the Ant-Man movies have always been about having fun with the concept. Just thought Scott went a little crazy and became a different person for a minute, for no particular reason. Scott going super big does cause him to lose his capacity for higher level thought, this was established in Civil War and then again in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
And his lack of character arc was because the ending was changed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 18:32:38 GMT
Saw it again with the little guy yesterday. He's 8 and he loves it, haters and trolls make of that what you will. My initial review stands as called after a second viewing, though something really stood out to me this time. There's this odd sequence during the final battle where Scott is screaming like a maniac, and it doesn't come across as particularly heroic. Keep in mind that during the entire film, Cassie is criticizing Scott for not getting involved in struggles unless they directly affect him. Whether it be the protest she was taking part in, or the earlier battle with Kang's forces. He only wants to protect Cassie, the rest of the world be damned. So fast forward to the final battle, after Scott had retrieved the McGuffin for Kang in exchange for Cassie, and Kang doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. The rest of the family has reunited, everyone now knows how deadly and sinister Kang truly is. Scott shows up in truly massive form (there are no rules because it's the Quantum Realm, I guess) and starts trashing the place while yelling, "KANG! WE HAD A DEAL! OUR WORD IS OUR BOND! WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE NOTHING!!!" Two thoughts here. One, it shows Scott had no arc in this film. Zero character growth, he learned nothing. He isn't screaming about how many people Kang has killed, he's just pissed Kang didn't give Cassie back to him. The whole fight is still about Cassie, he doesn't care what happens to the Quantum Realm. Two, it's very un-Scott like. Our word is our bond? Without that we're nothing? What the fuck? I had completely forgotten/not paid attention to this the first time around, and kept waiting for a closeup where Scott is chuckling and says, "I think I got his attention, let's hope this works," or something like that. But no. There has to be a deleted couple of lines from the script or something, because it's the only thing that makes sense. This just isn't stuff Scott would say. The other explanation would be Scott was losing his shit from being so big. While that would be a fun wrinkle, that's total head canon on my part, completely unsubstantiated by anything on screen. It's just weird, it's a weird moment. If I really wanted to go next level 12D chess in the MCU, I could wonder if he's a skrull or something, but that just doesn't make any sense at all, and surely one of those variants in the probability storm would've been a skrull. Which I have to admit, would've been amazing. Anyway, I still enjoyed it the second time around. It has its problems, just like any film does. It isn't top tier MCU, but I still dig it. It's fun, because the Ant-Man movies have always been about having fun with the concept. Just thought Scott went a little crazy and became a different person for a minute, for no particular reason. I thought the exact same thing. I saw one of the tv spots featuring Giant Man screaming “Kang!” and got my hopes up for a really great emotionally charged climax. But it’s definitely all paper thin. Once he says “our word is our bond!” you know it’s just goofy dialogue for a fun but weightless action scene. I think the big problem in this scene, aside from Scott not having an arc, is that nothing is really at stake. Who cares about the revolution? We haven’t even seen how Kang impacts this world. Who cares about the multiverse stuff? It’s all just set up without clear and present stakes. Cassie should still have been captive. They obviously didn’t want to make her a damsel in distress, but there needed to be something hanging in the balance here besides “You lied! Arrggghhh!”
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