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Post by Prometheus on Feb 26, 2023 19:17:25 GMT
Finally bit the bullet and saw it today, I wasn't sure how I would feel considering the clips and spoilers I've seen. I can't say that I was super impressed. I could see what a lot of others have said about the lack of world building in regards to the quantum realm. Definitely could see how Ant-Man took a backseat in a lot of this movie and the dick jokes fell flat. I wouldn't color myself super impressed; but, I could also see how most people would enjoy the film for what it was.
Overall, I'd probably give it a 3/5 or 5.5-6/10.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2023 21:25:55 GMT
Saw it again with the little guy yesterday. He's 8 and he loves it, haters and trolls make of that what you will. My initial review stands as called after a second viewing, though something really stood out to me this time. There's this odd sequence during the final battle where Scott is screaming like a maniac, and it doesn't come across as particularly heroic. Keep in mind that during the entire film, Cassie is criticizing Scott for not getting involved in struggles unless they directly affect him. Whether it be the protest she was taking part in, or the earlier battle with Kang's forces. He only wants to protect Cassie, the rest of the world be damned. So fast forward to the final battle, after Scott had retrieved the McGuffin for Kang in exchange for Cassie, and Kang doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. The rest of the family has reunited, everyone now knows how deadly and sinister Kang truly is. Scott shows up in truly massive form (there are no rules because it's the Quantum Realm, I guess) and starts trashing the place while yelling, "KANG! WE HAD A DEAL! OUR WORD IS OUR BOND! WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE NOTHING!!!" Two thoughts here. One, it shows Scott had no arc in this film. Zero character growth, he learned nothing. He isn't screaming about how many people Kang has killed, he's just pissed Kang didn't give Cassie back to him. The whole fight is still about Cassie, he doesn't care what happens to the Quantum Realm. Two, it's very un-Scott like. Our word is our bond? Without that we're nothing? What the fuck? I had completely forgotten/not paid attention to this the first time around, and kept waiting for a closeup where Scott is chuckling and says, "I think I got his attention, let's hope this works," or something like that. But no. There has to be a deleted couple of lines from the script or something, because it's the only thing that makes sense. This just isn't stuff Scott would say. The other explanation would be Scott was losing his shit from being so big. While that would be a fun wrinkle, that's total head canon on my part, completely unsubstantiated by anything on screen. It's just weird, it's a weird moment. If I really wanted to go next level 12D chess in the MCU, I could wonder if he's a skrull or something, but that just doesn't make any sense at all, and surely one of those variants in the probability storm would've been a skrull. Which I have to admit, would've been amazing. Anyway, I still enjoyed it the second time around. It has its problems, just like any film does. It isn't top tier MCU, but I still dig it. It's fun, because the Ant-Man movies have always been about having fun with the concept. Just thought Scott went a little crazy and became a different person for a minute, for no particular reason. Scott going super big does cause him to lose his capacity for higher level thought, this was established in Civil War and then again in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
And his lack of character arc was because the ending was changed.
It taxes his system, it doesn't turn him into a lunatic or change his character. And the fact that they changed the ending and made it worse doesn't really work as a defense for the movie, does it?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 27, 2023 4:00:17 GMT
Scott going super big does cause him to lose his capacity for higher level thought, this was established in Civil War and then again in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
And his lack of character arc was because the ending was changed.
It taxes his system, it doesn't turn him into a lunatic or change his character. And the fact that they changed the ending and made it worse doesn't really work as a defense for the movie, does it? The defense is that it was the test audiences who wanted the ending changed, not the filmmakers themselves.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 27, 2023 7:14:20 GMT
A 70% drop off in week 2. The worst of any MCU film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 8:03:41 GMT
A 70% drop off in week 2. The worst of any MCU film. IT’S A TRAP!
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 27, 2023 12:48:48 GMT
It taxes his system, it doesn't turn him into a lunatic or change his character. And the fact that they changed the ending and made it worse doesn't really work as a defense for the movie, does it? The defense is that it was the test audiences who wanted the ending changed, not the filmmakers themselves. There is no defense. If I don't like an aspect of the film, explaining how they came to that creative conclusion doesn't improve that aspect for me, get it? The worst part is you're arguing with someone who actually liked the movie. That's how far your head is up your ass.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Feb 28, 2023 1:24:21 GMT
Star Trek, Star Wars, and Avatar all rolled into one, but on a microscopic level.
Entertaining and enjoyable.
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Post by Prometheus on Feb 28, 2023 2:12:49 GMT
Just out of curiosity, why did they butcher M.O.D.O.K as a character the way they did in this movie?
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 3, 2023 7:51:46 GMT
Utter shite. Worse than MoM somehow, although it doesn't butcher as many important characters.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 5, 2023 19:14:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 20:01:31 GMT
Marvel is definitely in serious trouble. Guardians will earn back some good will but most people understand that it’s mainly Gunn who made those movies what they are. The Marvels will likely be another huge miss. Cap 4 will have a lot riding on it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 5, 2023 22:46:11 GMT
I love how all this doom and gloom is happening just over one mediocre movie in a subseries of the MCU that was never terribly popular to start with.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2023 23:08:57 GMT
I think it's because Ant-Man 3 had more notable hype than the other two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 18:18:32 GMT
I love how all this doom and gloom is happening just over one mediocre movie in a subseries of the MCU that was never terribly popular to start with. Now you are saying Quantumania was mediocre? Jumping on the hater bandwagon, I see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 18:20:57 GMT
I think it's because Ant-Man 3 had more notable hype than the other two. That, and Marvel has had so many swings and misses in the last few years. Quantumania, She Hulk and Love and Thunder all within 12 months. It’s not a good omen for things to come.
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Post by Lux on Mar 6, 2023 18:42:45 GMT
Marvel is definitely in serious trouble. Guardians will earn back some good will but most people understand that it’s mainly Gunn who made those movies what they are. The Marvels will likely be another huge miss. Cap 4 will have a lot riding on it. Mainly Marvel that funded Gunn's vision for Guardians you mean. Money made from Gunn's night job as a child pimp wasn't going to pay the bills on its own.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2023 22:35:51 GMT
I love how all this doom and gloom is happening just over one mediocre movie in a subseries of the MCU that was never terribly popular to start with. Now you are saying Quantumania was mediocre? Jumping on the hater bandwagon, I see. Well all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre, lots of Phases 1 and 2 were really.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 6, 2023 23:11:28 GMT
Marvel is definitely in serious trouble. Guardians will earn back some good will but most people understand that it’s mainly Gunn who made those movies what they are. The Marvels will likely be another huge miss. Cap 4 will have a lot riding on it. Guys...I'm worried about the MCU. I think it needs to be rebooted. Preferably with Blumehouse!
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Post by scabab on Mar 7, 2023 12:45:46 GMT
Well all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre, lots of Phases 1 and 2 were really. Yeah but it did also have Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy that were very well received and well loved movies to balance that out. The only movie up there with those movies since Endgame has been No Way Home which wasn't made by Disney.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2023 13:52:35 GMT
Well all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre, lots of Phases 1 and 2 were really. Yeah but it did also have Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy that were very well received and well loved movies to balance that out. The only movie up there with those movies since Endgame has been No Way Home which wasn't made by Disney. Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things.
No Way Home was nothing but poorly written gutless fanservice. Total idiot plot, nonsense.
The only reason it did well was because they brought in Tobey and Andrew to attract the Spidey fans who otherwise hate the rest of the MCU and because it wrapped up all the loose ends from Tobey and Andrews movies and because they liked seeing the old villains again. They didn't come for MCU Spidey or anything to do with HIS story.
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