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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 20:40:26 GMT
Yeah but it did also have Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy that were very well received and well loved movies to balance that out. The only movie up there with those movies since Endgame has been No Way Home which wasn't made by Disney. Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things.
No Way Home was nothing but poorly written gutless fanservice. Total idiot plot, nonsense.
The only reason it did well was because they brought in Tobey and Andrew to attract the Spidey fans who otherwise hate the rest of the MCU and because it wrapped up all the loose ends from Tobey and Andrews movies and because they liked seeing the old villains again. They didn't come for MCU Spidey or anything to do with HIS story.
The audience for the tv shows is quite small. Only half a million people watched the premiere of Ms Marvel. So it stands that the only massive hit they’ve had is Spider-Man- which according to you, sucked. You’re painting a bleaker picture than anyone here
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Post by scabab on Mar 7, 2023 23:48:13 GMT
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things. That only includes two movies and neither of which had any sort of fan reception like those four movies I mentioned. Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy were all hugely well liked and considered amongst the best superhero movies around at the time. The only movie anywhere remotely consider up there on that level amongst viewers is Spider-Man. You may not be so keen on it but the movie was clearly very well liked. The shows too, not an apples to apples comparison but none well that well loved either. Daredevil, that was a show that was well loved. None of these MCU shows have been liked to that extent.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 0:20:32 GMT
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things.
No Way Home was nothing but poorly written gutless fanservice. Total idiot plot, nonsense.
The only reason it did well was because they brought in Tobey and Andrew to attract the Spidey fans who otherwise hate the rest of the MCU and because it wrapped up all the loose ends from Tobey and Andrews movies and because they liked seeing the old villains again. They didn't come for MCU Spidey or anything to do with HIS story.
The audience for the tv shows is quite small. Only half a million people watched the premiere of Ms Marvel. So it stands that the only massive hit they’ve had is Spider-Man- which according to you, sucked. You’re painting a bleaker picture than anyone here They're small now, they'll grow the longer the D+ MCU stuff lasts.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 0:22:40 GMT
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things. That only includes two movies and neither of which had any sort of fan reception like those four movies I mentioned. Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy were all hugely well liked and considered amongst the best superhero movies around at the time. The only movie anywhere remotely consider up there on that level amongst viewers is Spider-Man. You may not be so keen on it but the movie was clearly very well liked. The shows too, not an apples to apples comparison but none well that well loved either. Daredevil, that was a show that was well loved. None of these MCU shows have been liked to that extent. Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians.
Well liked for the Gutless reasons.
Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 0:53:14 GMT
The audience for the tv shows is quite small. Only half a million people watched the premiere of Ms Marvel. So it stands that the only massive hit they’ve had is Spider-Man- which according to you, sucked. You’re painting a bleaker picture than anyone here They're small now, they'll grow the longer the D+ MCU stuff lasts.
Gutless Fanservice is Gutless Fanservice
The numbers will grow with time? No kidding. That’s true of all reruns. The initial numbers were the clear indicator of how few people cared about them. Loki got 2 mil. That’s their highest peak and it pales in comparison to how many people watched House of Dragon or other top tv shows.
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Post by scabab on Mar 8, 2023 1:50:06 GMT
Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians. Well liked for the Gutless reasons. Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki. Come off it you know full well Shang Chi ain't nearly as well loved as Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy, they're never gonna be regarded as some of the best superhero movies of all time like the others were. Those movies were extremely well liked from the very start. Same with the TV shows, Daredevil is beloved to a whole other level entirely. It's practically regarded as the best live action superhero TV show around. These phase 4 shows are more on the level of the rest of those Netflix shows. IMDb The Avengers - 8.0 Guardians of the Galaxy - 8.0 Iron Man - 7.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Shang Chi - 7.4 Wakanda Forever - 6.8 Daredevil - 8.6 Loki - 8.2 Wandavision - 7.9 Falcon and Winter Soldier - 7.2 Ms Marvel - 6.2 The only thing up there is that Spider-Man with an 8.2. None of the other movies were well loved. Shang Chi has been the best Disney MCU movie between Endgame and now and that's no Iron Man. Loki and maybe WandaVision to a lesser extent as far as TV shows go and that's it.
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Post by kratos on Mar 8, 2023 2:04:32 GMT
That only includes two movies and neither of which had any sort of fan reception like those four movies I mentioned. Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy were all hugely well liked and considered amongst the best superhero movies around at the time. The only movie anywhere remotely consider up there on that level amongst viewers is Spider-Man. You may not be so keen on it but the movie was clearly very well liked. The shows too, not an apples to apples comparison but none well that well loved either. Daredevil, that was a show that was well loved. None of these MCU shows have been liked to that extent. Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians.
Well liked for the Gutless reasons.
Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki.
What in earth are you smoking you're wrong on practically everything here, since when did Wakanda Forever ever have comparable fan reception to something like GotG or Avengers or Winter Soldier? It wasn't even all that well liked to begin with. It just fell off at the box office even with Xmas to bolster it. Falcon being as loved as the first season of Daredevil in particular? After all the crap that people talked about that show? It was barely on the level of Like Cage never mind even the worst season of Daredevil. Disney have made one, one, truly great MCU movie in the past 5 years and that's Endgame. That's it. There's been a couple that have been alright like Shang Chi but Ant-Man 2, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 4, Wakanda Forever and now Ant-Man 3....they're low tier MCU down there with the likes of Incredible Hulk, Captain America 1, Thor 2 and Iron Man 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 3:54:59 GMT
I would also say that Shang Chi is massively overrated. It’s got a boring protagonist, a nonsensical plot and some of the worst forced humor in the MCU. I don’t think it’ll be as well remembered as most of Phase 1-3.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 12:42:35 GMT
They're small now, they'll grow the longer the D+ MCU stuff lasts.
Gutless Fanservice is Gutless Fanservice
The numbers will grow with time? No kidding. That’s true of all reruns. The initial numbers were the clear indicator of how few people cared about them. Loki got 2 mil. That’s their highest peak and it pales in comparison to how many people watched House of Dragon or other top tv shows. House of the Dragon had the build up from GOT to bring in people and HBO is much more readily available than a newer service like D+, that's why.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 8, 2023 12:43:47 GMT
I would also say that Shang Chi is massively overrated. It’s got a boring protagonist, a nonsensical plot and some of the worst forced humor in the MCU. I don’t think it’ll be as well remembered as most of Phase 1-3. Honestly the best thing about that movie was the Mandarin. I forgot the actor's name, but god damn that dude carried the movie when he was on screen. I hope they make a better sequel with a third act that didn't give me Aquaman ptsd.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 12:45:10 GMT
Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians. Well liked for the Gutless reasons. Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki. Come off it you know full well Shang Chi ain't nearly as well loved as Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy, they're never gonna be regarded as some of the best superhero movies of all time like the others were. Those movies were extremely well liked from the very start. Same with the TV shows, Daredevil is beloved to a whole other level entirely. It's practically regarded as the best live action superhero TV show around. These phase 4 shows are more on the level of the rest of those Netflix shows. IMDb The Avengers - 8.0 Guardians of the Galaxy - 8.0 Iron Man - 7.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Shang Chi - 7.4 Wakanda Forever - 6.8 Daredevil - 8.6 Loki - 8.2 Wandavision - 7.9 Falcon and Winter Soldier - 7.2 Ms Marvel - 6.2 The only thing up there is that Spider-Man with an 8.2. None of the other movies were well loved. Shang Chi has been the best Disney MCU movie between Endgame and now and that's no Iron Man. Loki and maybe WandaVision to a lesser extent as far as TV shows go and that's it. Avengers is more about the precedent it set than the plot itself, and Shang Chi did really well considering all the doom and gloom surrounding it. As time goes on, it will likely be remembered even more as a great CBM.
Daredevil became beloved as it went on and the other MCU Netflix shows fell apart in comparison, it didn't start out that way. That IMDB score is from after all 3 seasons.
Those IMDB scores are juked for Ms Marvel and Wakanda Forever, the review bombing scandals remember?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 12:47:56 GMT
Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians.
Well liked for the Gutless reasons.
Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki.
What in earth are you smoking you're wrong on practically everything here, since when did Wakanda Forever ever have comparable fan reception to something like GotG or Avengers or Winter Soldier? It wasn't even all that well liked to begin with. It just fell off at the box office even with Xmas to bolster it. Falcon being as loved as the first season of Daredevil in particular? After all the crap that people talked about that show? It was barely on the level of Like Cage never mind even the worst season of Daredevil. Disney have made one, one, truly great MCU movie in the past 5 years and that's Endgame. That's it. There's been a couple that have been alright like Shang Chi but Ant-Man 2, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 4, Wakanda Forever and now Ant-Man 3....they're low tier MCU down there with the likes of Incredible Hulk, Captain America 1, Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. Wakanda Forever did really well considering all the stuff the movie had going against it and the negative buzz around it from certain elements. As time goes on it will be seen on their level.
WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki are all on DDS1's level, yes. A good thing considering the negative buzz around Falcon/Winter Soldier before the show even came out. It's easily better than all the Netflix shows except some of Daredevil.
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, even Multiverse is a proper good movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 12:48:28 GMT
I would also say that Shang Chi is massively overrated. It’s got a boring protagonist, a nonsensical plot and some of the worst forced humor in the MCU. I don’t think it’ll be as well remembered as most of Phase 1-3. Funny, you could say the same about "The Batman".
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Post by kratos on Mar 8, 2023 15:05:18 GMT
What in earth are you smoking you're wrong on practically everything here, since when did Wakanda Forever ever have comparable fan reception to something like GotG or Avengers or Winter Soldier? It wasn't even all that well liked to begin with. It just fell off at the box office even with Xmas to bolster it. Falcon being as loved as the first season of Daredevil in particular? After all the crap that people talked about that show? It was barely on the level of Like Cage never mind even the worst season of Daredevil. Disney have made one, one, truly great MCU movie in the past 5 years and that's Endgame. That's it. There's been a couple that have been alright like Shang Chi but Ant-Man 2, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 4, Wakanda Forever and now Ant-Man 3....they're low tier MCU down there with the likes of Incredible Hulk, Captain America 1, Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. Wakanda Forever did really well considering all the stuff the movie had going against it and the negative buzz around it from certain elements. As time goes on it will be seen on their level.
WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki are all on DDS1's level, yes. A good thing considering the negative buzz around Falcon/Winter Soldier before the show even came out. It's easily better than all the Netflix shows except some of Daredevil.
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, even Multiverse is a proper good movie.
No, I didn't think Wakanda Forever was bad and I understand they were in a sticky position and I don't know why it's scores are so low but it'll never be considered great because it simply wasn't. But no Disney + show is even close to being on the same level as Daredevil. They're worlds apart.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 18:21:01 GMT
Wakanda Forever did really well considering all the stuff the movie had going against it and the negative buzz around it from certain elements. As time goes on it will be seen on their level.
WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki are all on DDS1's level, yes. A good thing considering the negative buzz around Falcon/Winter Soldier before the show even came out. It's easily better than all the Netflix shows except some of Daredevil.
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, even Multiverse is a proper good movie.
No, I didn't think Wakanda Forever was bad and I understand they were in a sticky position and I don't know why it's scores are so low but it'll never be considered great because it simply wasn't. But no Disney + show is even close to being on the same level as Daredevil. They're worlds apart. DD was low production value, and that creatively bankrupt "grounded" approach. The D+ shows are already on a higher level from not being ashamed of their origins.
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Post by pennypacker on Mar 8, 2023 18:29:38 GMT
Good lord.
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Post by scabab on Mar 8, 2023 18:46:57 GMT
Avengers is more about the precedent it set than the plot itself, and Shang Chi did really well considering all the doom and gloom surrounding it. As time goes on, it will likely be remembered even more as a great CBM. Daredevil became beloved as it went on and the other MCU Netflix shows fell apart in comparison, it didn't start out that way. That IMDB score is from after all 3 seasons. Those IMDB scores are juked for Ms Marvel and Wakanda Forever, the review bombing scandals remember? People never really bigged up the plot of The Avengers to begin with. That wasn't really the reason it was well liked and it wouldn't matter anyway. It has always been a well loved movie that Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever can't compare to. Daredevil was well loved from the beginning. It wasn't something that happened gradually over time, if anything the second season was considered inferior. If you go on Web archive, at the start of 2015 prior to the second season being released it has a 8.8 with near 150,000 votes so if anything it only went down over time. I don't know much about the review bombings but all you have to do it click on these scores and ignore the 1's and you can see Ms Marvel trends around a 6-7. Wakanda Forever around a 7, it only has 5% for 1/10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 18:54:20 GMT
The numbers will grow with time? No kidding. That’s true of all reruns. The initial numbers were the clear indicator of how few people cared about them. Loki got 2 mil. That’s their highest peak and it pales in comparison to how many people watched House of Dragon or other top tv shows. House of the Dragon had the build up from GOT to bring in people and HBO is much more readily available than a newer service like D+, that's why. And the MCU had thirty movies as build up. The tv side of Marvel has a very small audience. That’s a fact. You can’t pretend they were massively successful. They weren’t
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 18:56:15 GMT
I would also say that Shang Chi is massively overrated. It’s got a boring protagonist, a nonsensical plot and some of the worst forced humor in the MCU. I don’t think it’ll be as well remembered as most of Phase 1-3. Funny, you could say the same about "The Batman". I am sure that’s relevant somehow in your own bizarre logic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:11:47 GMT
I would also say that Shang Chi is massively overrated. It’s got a boring protagonist, a nonsensical plot and some of the worst forced humor in the MCU. I don’t think it’ll be as well remembered as most of Phase 1-3. Honestly the best thing about that movie was the Mandarin. I forgot the actor's name, but god damn that dude carried the movie when he was on screen. I hope they make a better sequel with a third act that didn't give me Aquaman ptsd. The actor was indeed great. I didn’t think his character was all that well written though. He was tricked by a psychic demon into believing his wife was alive, even though he already had proof she was dead. I thought that was kind of lame.
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