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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2023 20:41:17 GMT
Wakanda Forever got an A on Cinemascore, and Angela Bassett got nominated for an Oscar. People seemed to like the movie.
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Post by Lux on Mar 8, 2023 20:46:08 GMT
Wakanda Forever got an A on Cinemascore, and Angela Bassett got nominated for an Oscar. People seemed to like the movie. She hasn't won any Oscar for WF yet so maybe wait yeah?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2023 20:51:12 GMT
Wakanda Forever got an A on Cinemascore, and Angela Bassett got nominated for an Oscar. People seemed to like the movie. She hasn't won any Oscar for WF yet so maybe wait yeah? A nomination is still a solid accomplishment.
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Post by Lux on Mar 8, 2023 21:03:57 GMT
She hasn't won any Oscar for WF yet so maybe wait yeah? A nomination is still a solid accomplishment. Then why bother having an Oscars ceremony then?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2023 21:18:44 GMT
A nomination is still a solid accomplishment. Then why bother having an Oscars ceremony then? Gee, I don’t know. Why bother having a championship in sporting events?
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Post by Lux on Mar 8, 2023 23:19:28 GMT
Then why bother having an Oscars ceremony then? Gee, I don’t know. Why bother having a championship in sporting events? How about you wait for to win something instead.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 0:15:04 GMT
Avengers is more about the precedent it set than the plot itself, and Shang Chi did really well considering all the doom and gloom surrounding it. As time goes on, it will likely be remembered even more as a great CBM. Daredevil became beloved as it went on and the other MCU Netflix shows fell apart in comparison, it didn't start out that way. That IMDB score is from after all 3 seasons. Those IMDB scores are juked for Ms Marvel and Wakanda Forever, the review bombing scandals remember? People never really bigged up the plot of The Avengers to begin with. That wasn't really the reason it was well liked and it wouldn't matter anyway. It has always been a well loved movie that Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever can't compare to. Daredevil was well loved from the beginning. It wasn't something that happened gradually over time, if anything the second season was considered inferior. If you go on Web archive, at the start of 2015 prior to the second season being released it has a 8.8 with near 150,000 votes so if anything it only went down over time. I don't know much about the review bombings but all you have to do it click on these scores and ignore the 1's and you can see Ms Marvel trends around a 6-7. Wakanda Forever around a 7, it only has 5% for 1/10. Yes, meaning it was more the precedent it set rather than the plot. Shang Chi in a lesser way set a new precedent for Asian Superheroes.
DD took its time getting loved, the 2nd half of the First season.
Exactly, you ignore all the 1s it got from the massive review bombing. And you're forgetting all the negative buzz Wakanda Forever was getting before release due to Shuri and Namor.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 0:16:26 GMT
House of the Dragon had the build up from GOT to bring in people and HBO is much more readily available than a newer service like D+, that's why. And the MCU had thirty movies as build up. The tv side of Marvel has a very small audience. That’s a fact. You can’t pretend they were massively successful. They weren’t 30 movies of other characters who mostly all got retired in Endgame, the D+ shows were on a lesser accessible, lesser subscribed service and starred lesser known characters. That's why Loki had higher ratings, he was the only "Name" of the bunch. So the D+ Shows had a lot going against them compared to House of the Dragon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 1:50:28 GMT
And the MCU had thirty movies as build up. The tv side of Marvel has a very small audience. That’s a fact. You can’t pretend they were massively successful. They weren’t 30 movies of other characters who mostly all got retired in Endgame, the D+ shows were on a lesser accessible, lesser subscribed service and starred lesser known characters. That's why Loki had higher ratings, he was the only "Name" of the bunch. So the D+ Shows had a lot going against them compared to House of the Dragon. You’re just providing reasons for why they weren’t successful. Success is measured by numbers and they didn’t have the numbers to be considered successful. Doesn’t matter why.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 1:52:06 GMT
She hasn't won any Oscar for WF yet so maybe wait yeah? A nomination is still a solid accomplishment. Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 2:29:50 GMT
30 movies of other characters who mostly all got retired in Endgame, the D+ shows were on a lesser accessible, lesser subscribed service and starred lesser known characters. That's why Loki had higher ratings, he was the only "Name" of the bunch. So the D+ Shows had a lot going against them compared to House of the Dragon. You’re just providing reasons for why they weren’t successful. Success is measured by numbers and they didn’t have the numbers to be considered successful. Doesn’t matter why. With everything they had going against them, they were successful. That's why Sam gets Captain American 4 and Vision is also getting his own show later, Loki and Moon Knight got renewed, etc.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 2:30:15 GMT
A nomination is still a solid accomplishment. Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this. Oh, but when Ledger got his, that was serious?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 3:21:59 GMT
You’re just providing reasons for why they weren’t successful. Success is measured by numbers and they didn’t have the numbers to be considered successful. Doesn’t matter why. With everything they had going against them, they were successful. That's why Sam gets Captain American 4 and Vision is also getting his own show later, Loki and Moon Knight got renewed, etc. More excuses. You can’t set a low bar and measure success against it. That’s cheating and nonsensical.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 4:00:05 GMT
With everything they had going against them, they were successful. That's why Sam gets Captain American 4 and Vision is also getting his own show later, Loki and Moon Knight got renewed, etc. More excuses. You can’t set a low bar and measure success against it. That’s cheating and nonsensical. I set the low bar because that's the truth. D+ was new (and still is for a lot of people) and shouldn't be compared to how long HBO had been going and how widespread it was. Plus it didn't have the big guns of the MCU except in Loki's case, which further made things harder compared to HOTD. So by all it had going against it, the D+ shows were successful
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 7:16:17 GMT
More excuses. You can’t set a low bar and measure success against it. That’s cheating and nonsensical. I set the low bar because that's the truth. D+ was new (and still is for a lot of people) and shouldn't be compared to how long HBO had been going and how widespread it was. Plus it didn't have the big guns of the MCU except in Loki's case, which further made things harder compared to HOTD. So by all it had going against it, the D+ shows were successful I’m not sure you understand the definition of the word successful.
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2023 12:49:54 GMT
Yes, meaning it was more the precedent it set rather than the plot. Shang Chi in a lesser way set a new precedent for Asian Superheroes. It doesn't matter, almost none of these MCU movies at highly regarded because of their plot. The Avengers was praised for its characters, it's humour and it's action, that's what made it well loved from the beginning. Shang Chi was never well loved. It was considered a good movie and that's it. The entire season came out the same day. The scores for individual episodes are consistent throughout the season. If any episode made the show well loved it was the second episode because it had that famous hallway fight. Yeah but as I said if you just click the votes and see the breakdown then you can see that people only consider it a 6 or 7 anyway. If you do the same for Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy and ignore the 1's and 10's you can most people give it an 8 or 9. Same for Daredevil half the votes are for a 8 or 9, 84% of the votes are 8 to 10. Whereas Ms Marvel has 13.7% for a 7 and 12.2% for a 6. It's obviously not remotely as well liked as Daredevil. The only one that could even make a run at that is Loki.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2023 13:18:17 GMT
Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this. Oh, but when Ledger got his, that was serious? That was Why So Serious?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 13:21:32 GMT
I set the low bar because that's the truth. D+ was new (and still is for a lot of people) and shouldn't be compared to how long HBO had been going and how widespread it was. Plus it didn't have the big guns of the MCU except in Loki's case, which further made things harder compared to HOTD. So by all it had going against it, the D+ shows were successful I’m not sure you understand the definition of the word successful. Critical acclaim, good numbers despite all the negative buzz the shows all had before they even aired, relatively new service with not a lot of subs. So yeah, successful.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 13:23:52 GMT
Yes, meaning it was more the precedent it set rather than the plot. Shang Chi in a lesser way set a new precedent for Asian Superheroes. It doesn't matter, almost none of these MCU movies at highly regarded because of their plot. The Avengers was praised for its characters, it's humour and it's action, that's what made it well loved from the beginning. Shang Chi was never well loved. It was considered a good movie and that's it. The entire season came out the same day. The scores for individual episodes are consistent throughout the season. If any episode made the show well loved it was the second episode because it had that famous hallway fight. Yeah but as I said if you just click the votes and see the breakdown then you can see that people only consider it a 6 or 7 anyway. If you do the same for Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy and ignore the 1's and 10's you can most people give it an 8 or 9. Same for Daredevil half the votes are for a 8 or 9, 84% of the votes are 8 to 10. Whereas Ms Marvel has 13.7% for a 7 and 12.2% for a 6. It's obviously not remotely as well liked as Daredevil. The only one that could even make a run at that is Loki. With all the negative buzz Shang Chi had around it beforehand, it is a loved movie. In fact going forward, fans will look back at it and appreciate it even more.
So it's loved less for its plot, more its violence? That doesn't speak well.
But you can't just ignore all the review bombing and negative buzz those projects had ahead of time, especially compared to the Zero Negative Buzz Daredevil had going in. Plus DD's score for the entire series and not just S1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 16:54:46 GMT
I’m not sure you understand the definition of the word successful. Critical acclaim, good numbers despite all the negative buzz the shows all had before they even aired, relatively new service with not a lot of subs. So yeah, successful. I think the words you’re looking for are “adequate”, “satisfactory” or “not a total disaster.” And that’s being pretty generous.
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