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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 15, 2017 19:49:10 GMT
Actually the biggest selling superhero is Spiderman. Look it up. And I could list dozens of female Marvel characters if that's all we were going to do.
Action Comics (Superman) - 600 million
Batman - 460 million
Spider-Man - 360 million
X-Men - 270 million
Captain America - 210 million
Spawn - 150 million
The Phantom - 150 million
Witchblade - 140 million
The Avengers - 125 million
Wonder Woman - 120 million And I could too and I could list all their sales but to find Marvel's biggest selling female superhero I would have to go down to 11 and then even further down to 15 with Spider-Woman in between all the other female lead series that outsold them.  Except I wasn't talking about comic sales. Check out the toy sales. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 15, 2017 19:50:53 GMT
Actually he is not. Going on EXACT figures from a proper book written by somebody who knows what they are talking about the top 10 biggest selling superhero comic book series are.
Action Comics (Superman) - 600 million
Batman - 460 million
Spider-Man - 360 million
X-Men - 270 million
Captain America - 210 million
Spawn - 150 million
The Phantom - 150 million
Witchblade - 140 million
The Avengers - 125 million
Wonder Woman - 120 million And I could too and I could list all their sales but to find Marvel's biggest selling female superhero I would have to go down to 11 and then even further down to 15 with Spider-Woman in between all the other female lead series that outsold them. You can't convince him of anything, trust me. not when he thinks that anything from MCU is the pinnacle of film-making Well first, I wasn't talking about comic sales.
And second, I never said everything from the MCU is the pinnacle of filmmaking. I just said there's nothing wrong with anything in the MCU.
I guess you're thinking I'm just completely biased, but it's just that they do everything well. Am I supposed to have some sort of list of things to complain about with it?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 15, 2017 21:16:57 GMT
Steve Rogers did more to earn his rank than Trevor did. Rogers didn't do anything to earn his rank. Rogers was just handed his rank over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because Rogers took super PED that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. Trevor earned his rank by actually going on dangerous field missions and risking his life to complete those missions, despite not having superpowers like Rogers had. Rogers also earned the right to the Super-Soldier formula. By being the biggest loser. Rogers was a loser who couldn't pass the physical to get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. He wasn't born with innate powers the way Diana was, he had to earn his way. Steve Rogers: "Waah! Waah! Waah! I wasn't born with superpowers. It's not fair. Waah! Waah! Waah!" I'm sure many people wish they were born with the talent that Michael Jordan or LeBron James had. But they weren't. But I don't hear them complaining like Rogers that it's not fair that Michael Jordan or LeBron James were born with great talent and they weren't. I'm sure many people wish they were born the heir to the throne of England like Prince Charles was. But they weren't. But I don't hear them complaining like Rogers that it's not fair that they weren't born as royalty. Only Rogers whines and complains that it wasn't fair. "Waah! Waah! Waah! I can't pass the physical to get into the Army because I'm not as big and strong as everyone else. It's not fair. Waah! Waah! Waah!" Steve did sacrifice himself Like I said, Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around I 1945. Not much of a sacrifice. No, Steve Rogers earned his rank via his intelligence just like he earned his right to the Super Soldier formula over the other test subjects. Steve Trevor did little on screen to justify his rank and position.
Nope, Steve Rogers was born with health problems but despite them earned his way to the Super Soldier Treatment. Over other army test subjects.
Rogers never complained about anything. Diana is the one who complains about not being able to go off to war and then once she's there she still complains about not being allowed to do as she wants.
That he ended up being found and revived years later is irrelevant. His actions led to a sacrifice on par with Trevors'.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2017 3:37:45 GMT
Steve Rogers earned his rank Nope. Rogers didn't earn his rank at all. Rogers was just handed his rank over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because he took a super PED that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. he earned his right to the Super Soldier formula By being the biggest loser. That was the criteria for the super PED. Whoever was the biggest loser. And Rogers was the biggest loser. Couldn't pass the physical to get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. His actions led to a sacrifice on par with Trevors Rogers didn't make any sacrifice even close t the sacrifice that Trevor made. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. Not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 16, 2017 11:58:44 GMT
Steve Rogers earned his rank Nope. Rogers didn't earn his rank at all. Rogers was just handed his rank over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because he took a super PED that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. he earned his right to the Super Soldier formula By being the biggest loser. That was the criteria for the super PED. Whoever was the biggest loser. And Rogers was the biggest loser. Couldn't pass the physical to get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. His actions led to a sacrifice on par with Trevors Rogers didn't make any sacrifice even close t the sacrifice that Trevor made. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. Not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. Nope, Rogers earned his rank through passing his trials and hardships. He earned the treatment instead of just being handed powers by virtue of birth. He earned it by showing he was smarter and braver than the others, and overcame his physical disabilities. Which is more than Wonder Woman or Superman ever had to do. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing, just that in Rogers' case fate had other plans. But as far as everyone was concerned, his sacrifice was on part with Trevors'. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2017 3:57:30 GMT
No, Rogers didn't earn his rank. Rogers was handed his rank like a silver spoon over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because he took a super PEDs that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. He earned it by showing he was smarter and braver than the others No, her got the treatment simply because he was the biggest loser. overcame his physical disabilities. WTF? You're claiming that Steve Rogers had a physical disability? Did Rogers have limited mobility? Did Rogers need a wheelchair? Did Rogers need a sock-aid to put on his socks? Did Rogers need a grabber to pick up things on the floor? As a disabled person, I find it insulting that you would claim that Steve Rogers had a physical disability. Does Steve Rogers park in disabled parking spaces that are meant for disabled persons only? If he does, then Rogers is definitely no hero and is nothing but a scumbag. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers didn't make any sacrifice. Rogers even knew that with the super PEDs that he took, he would be able to survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PED to help him survive so Trevor truly made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make any sacrifice since he knew he would survive the plane crash. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 17, 2017 11:39:22 GMT
No, Rogers didn't earn his rank. Rogers was handed his rank like a silver spoon over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because he took a super PEDs that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. He earned it by showing he was smarter and braver than the others No, her got the treatment simply because he was the biggest loser. overcame his physical disabilities. WTF? You're claiming that Steve Rogers had a physical disability? Did Rogers have limited mobility? Did Rogers need a wheelchair? Did Rogers need a sock-aid to put on his socks? Did Rogers need a grabber to pick up things on the floor? As a disabled person, I find it insulting that you would claim that Steve Rogers had a physical disability. Does Steve Rogers park in disabled parking spaces that are meant for disabled persons only? If he does, then Rogers is definitely no hero and is nothing but a scumbag. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers didn't make any sacrifice. Rogers even knew that with the super PEDs that he took, he would be able to survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PED to help him survive so Trevor truly made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make any sacrifice since he knew he would survive the plane crash. He went through the same training, and he beat out the other candidates while having to deal with his physical problems. He earned his powers and his rank, he wasn't born with powers and have everything handed to him. He was in competition with other soldiers in training and won against them. Fair and square. He didn't have innate powers he was born with or special training only he got. Steve got turned down from enlisting before because he had physical problems beyond just being skinny. If you paid attention you'd know this. But you don't apy attention. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing, only difference is that Rogers was a little more lucky and that was beyond his control so it in no way lessens what he did. And if you think Rogers knew he'd survive, you're even worse at paying attention than I thought. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 17, 2017 15:36:26 GMT
No, Rogers didn't earn his rank. Rogers was handed his rank like a silver spoon over more experienced and more qualified officers simply because he took a super PEDs that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. No, her got the treatment simply because he was the biggest loser. WTF? You're claiming that Steve Rogers had a physical disability? Did Rogers have limited mobility? Did Rogers need a wheelchair? Did Rogers need a sock-aid to put on his socks? Did Rogers need a grabber to pick up things on the floor? As a disabled person, I find it insulting that you would claim that Steve Rogers had a physical disability. Does Steve Rogers park in disabled parking spaces that are meant for disabled persons only? If he does, then Rogers is definitely no hero and is nothing but a scumbag. No, Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers didn't make any sacrifice. Rogers even knew that with the super PEDs that he took, he would be able to survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PED to help him survive so Trevor truly made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make any sacrifice since he knew he would survive the plane crash. He went through the same training, and he beat out the other candidates while having to deal with his physical problems. He earned his powers and his rank, he wasn't born with powers and have everything handed to him. He was in competition with other soldiers in training and won against them. Fair and square. He didn't have innate powers he was born with or special training only he got. Steve got turned down from enlisting before because he had physical problems beyond just being skinny. If you paid attention you'd know this. But you don't apy attention. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing, only difference is that Rogers was a little more lucky and that was beyond his control so it in no way lessens what he did. And if you think Rogers knew he'd survive, you're even worse at paying attention than I thought. Nah, you should've been a blow job. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 17, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
He went through the same training, and he beat out the other candidates while having to deal with his physical problems. He earned his powers and his rank, he wasn't born with powers and have everything handed to him. He was in competition with other soldiers in training and won against them. Fair and square. He didn't have innate powers he was born with or special training only he got. Steve got turned down from enlisting before because he had physical problems beyond just being skinny. If you paid attention you'd know this. But you don't apy attention. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing, only difference is that Rogers was a little more lucky and that was beyond his control so it in no way lessens what he did. And if you think Rogers knew he'd survive, you're even worse at paying attention than I thought. Nah, you should've been a blow job. You're in full-on Meltdown by this point, it's funny.  |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 17, 2017 15:38:57 GMT
Nah, you should've been a blow job. You're in full-on Meltdown by this point, it's funny. Nah, you should've been a blow job. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 17, 2017 15:39:13 GMT
You're in full-on Meltdown by this point, it's funny. Nah, you should've been a blow job. You're in full-on Meltdown by this point, it's funny. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 17, 2017 15:39:44 GMT
Nah, you should've been a blow job.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 17, 2017 15:44:10 GMT
You're in full-on Meltdown by this point, it's funny. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 17, 2017 15:44:56 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 18, 2017 2:55:49 GMT
He earned his powers and his rank Rogers didn't earn his rank at all. Rogers was just given his rank, over more experienced and more qualified officers, simply because he took a super PED that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. he had physical problems beyond just being skinny. Being skinny and too lazy to exercise and train isn't a physical disability. Did Rogers have limited mobility? Did Rogers need a wheelchair? Did Rogers need a sock-aid to put on his socks? Did Rogers need a grabber to pick up things on the floor? As a disabled person, I find it insulting that you would claim that Steve Rogers had a physical disability. Does Steve Rogers park in disabled parking spaces that are meant for disabled persons only? If he does, then Rogers is definitely no hero and is nothing but a scumbag. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, they didn't. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world that has plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. Not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. only difference is that Rogers was a little more lucky It wasn't luck. It was the super PEDs that Rogers took. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs that he took, he would survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't ahve the benefit of a super PED. that was beyond his control It wasn't beyond Roger's control. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs that he took, he would survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't have the benefit of a super PED. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 18, 2017 12:41:08 GMT
He earned his powers and his rank Rogers didn't earn his rank at all. Rogers was just given his rank, over more experienced and more qualified officers, simply because he took a super PED that gave him bigger muscles and made him stronger than everyone else. he had physical problems beyond just being skinny. Being skinny and too lazy to exercise and train isn't a physical disability. Did Rogers have limited mobility? Did Rogers need a wheelchair? Did Rogers need a sock-aid to put on his socks? Did Rogers need a grabber to pick up things on the floor? As a disabled person, I find it insulting that you would claim that Steve Rogers had a physical disability. Does Steve Rogers park in disabled parking spaces that are meant for disabled persons only? If he does, then Rogers is definitely no hero and is nothing but a scumbag. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, they didn't. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world that has plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. Not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. only difference is that Rogers was a little more lucky It wasn't luck. It was the super PEDs that Rogers took. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs that he took, he would survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't ahve the benefit of a super PED. that was beyond his control It wasn't beyond Roger's control. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs that he took, he would survive the plane crash. Trevor didn't have the benefit of a super PED. He was in the same competition as the others, and as such was just as qualified as any of the other trainees. He succeeded where they failed, so he earned the treatment. Which is more than Diana and Superman can say about themselves. For all of her "training" Diana's power comes merely from her genes. Steve did have physical problems that resulted in his frail physique. It wasn't due to laziness, it was due to physical problems. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing, though Rogers did more than Trevor did. Only difference was that Rogers was a teeny bit more lucky in that he could be revived (which he didn't know). And of course, if Trevor ends up revived, your argument will be bunk as usual. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 18, 2017 12:52:51 GMT
Steve did have physical problems that resulted in his frail physique. It wasn't due to laziness, it was due to physical problems. Rogers' physical problems were that he couldn't do enough push-ups or sit-ups to pass the physical to get into the Army. That wasn't due to any physical disability as you previously claimed. That was due to Rogers being too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, they didn't do the same thing. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. So not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. Rogers did more than Trevor did. No, Trevor did a lot more than Rogers did. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. There's nothing that anyone can do more than making the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers certainly didn't to that. Rogers was a teeny bit more lucky in that he could be revived (which he didn't know). It wasn't luck. It was the super PEDs that Rogers took. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs he took, he would survive. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PEDs so Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. |
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Post by sostie on Jun 18, 2017 15:39:08 GMT
I can't see why you can't comprehend that Rogers also also made "the ultimate sacrifice". Rogers ditched the aircraft and was resigned to the fact that he would not survive it. There is nothing to indicate otherwise.
I can only conclude you won't accept it because of a) bias or b) you never actually saw the film. Not the first time the latter has been concluded after reading some of the criticisms you had of Civil War.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 19, 2017 0:54:18 GMT
Steve did have physical problems that resulted in his frail physique. It wasn't due to laziness, it was due to physical problems. Rogers' physical problems were that he couldn't do enough push-ups or sit-ups to pass the physical to get into the Army. That wasn't due to any physical disability as you previously claimed. That was due to Rogers being too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. Trevor and Rogers did the same thing No, they didn't do the same thing. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. So not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. Rogers did more than Trevor did. No, Trevor did a lot more than Rogers did. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. There's nothing that anyone can do more than making the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers certainly didn't to that. Rogers was a teeny bit more lucky in that he could be revived (which he didn't know). It wasn't luck. It was the super PEDs that Rogers took. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs he took, he would survive. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PEDs so Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Nope, Rogers was denied in the other recruitment attempts because he had genuine health problems aside from being skinny. They didn't spoonfeed you this, but it's there. Exercise wouldn't have helped. They did the same thing, and when DC brings back Trevor you'll have to accept it. Rogers' sacrifice is no less important than Trevors', you just can't accept it because it's Marvel. It was luck, he had no way of knowing he'd survive. Trevor knew Gods and stuff existed at that point, so he knew more about surviving the impossible than Rogers did. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2017 3:05:31 GMT
I can't see why you can't comprehend that Rogers also also made "the ultimate sacrifice". Making the "ultimate sacrifice" means dying. Rogers not only didn't die but is living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. Not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. Moreover, Rogers knew that he would survive because he took the super PEDs. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PEDs like Rogers had. |
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