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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2017 3:10:51 GMT
Rogers' physical problems were that he couldn't do enough push-ups or sit-ups to pass the physical to get into the Army. That wasn't due to any physical disability as you previously claimed. That was due to Rogers being too lazy to exercise and train like everyone else. No, they didn't do the same thing. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers is not only still alive but also living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. So not much of a sacrifice by Rogers. No, Trevor did a lot more than Rogers did. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. There's nothing that anyone can do more than making the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers certainly didn't to that. It wasn't luck. It was the super PEDs that Rogers took. Rogers knew that, with the super PEDs he took, he would survive. Trevor didn't have the benefit of any super PEDs so Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice. Rogers' sacrifice is no less important than Trevors', you just can't accept it because it's Marvel. It was luck, he had no way of knowing he'd survive. Trevor knew Gods and stuff existed at that point, so he knew more about surviving the impossible than Rogers did. Trevor gave his life to destroy the poison gas. Rogers is not only still alive but living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. The comparison isn't even close. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make much of a sacrifice at all.
It would be like comparing 2 soldiers who joined the Army and were sent to fight a war and 1 dies in the war and the other comes back alive. The comparison isn't even close. The soldier who died made the ultimate sacrifice. The soldier who came back may have PTSD or some other psychological effects from fighting in the war but that's nowhere close to the ultimate sacrifice made by the soldier who died in the war. Are you MCU fans so dumb that you're incapable of understanding what it means for a soldier to make the ultimate sacrifice?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 19, 2017 4:25:47 GMT
Rogers' sacrifice is no less important than Trevors', you just can't accept it because it's Marvel. It was luck, he had no way of knowing he'd survive. Trevor knew Gods and stuff existed at that point, so he knew more about surviving the impossible than Rogers did. Trevor gave his life to destroy the poison gas. Rogers is not only still alive but living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. The comparison isn't even close. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make much of a sacrifice at all.
It would be like comparing 2 soldiers who joined the Army and were sent to fight a war and 1 dies in the war and the other comes back alive. The comparison isn't even close. The soldier who died made the ultimate sacrifice. The soldier who came back may have PTSD or some other psychological effects from fighting in the war but that's nowhere close to the ultimate sacrifice made by the soldier who died in the war. Are you MCU fans so dumb that you're incapable of understanding what it means for a soldier to make the ultimate sacrifice?
No shit Sherlock he's still alive, but it's still a fair assessment and comparison because Rogers had no idea he would survive the crash. But it's still a sacrifice in many ways even tho he did survive because he sacrificed all his "friends" and a potential relationship with Peggy and even marriage. He came back, but lost all of his friends because of the time shift. That's still a sacrifice. Bucky may be alive, but he's practically one of the most wanted terrorist in the world.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2017 4:38:09 GMT
Rogers had no idea he would survive the crash. And a soldier who was sent to invade Normandy Beach on D-Day and came back alive had no idea that he would survive, but he did so he didn't make the ultimate sacrifice like those who were sent to invade Normandy Beach and died there. Same with Rogers. He's still alive so he didn't make the ultimate sacrifice that Trevor did. he sacrificed all his "friends" Rogers was a skinny nerd who had only 1 friend (Bucky) and that friend is also still alive. and a potential relationship with Peggy and even marriage. I didn't have a long-term relationship with or marry the first girl I asked out. It's premature to assume that Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter would have any romantic relationship or even marriage when they never kissed or even went out on a date. Moreover, its not like Steve Rogers awoke from his 70-year sleep as an elderly man. Steve Rogers is still a young man and has plenty of opportunity to have a relationship and get married. Steve Trevor, who died a young man, never got married and never will have that opportunity like Steve Rogers still has. So the comparison isn't even close. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make much of a sacrifice at all. He came back, but lost all of his friends because of the time shift. Rogers was a skinny nerd who had only 1 friend (Bucky) and that friend is also still alive.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 19, 2017 6:59:36 GMT
DC-Fan, you are comedy gold, keep it up.
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Post by sostie on Jun 19, 2017 8:27:22 GMT
DC-Fan is making his own ultimate sacrifice here, because he is killing off any tiny semblance of credibility he had left
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 19, 2017 11:29:23 GMT
Rogers' sacrifice is no less important than Trevors', you just can't accept it because it's Marvel. It was luck, he had no way of knowing he'd survive. Trevor knew Gods and stuff existed at that point, so he knew more about surviving the impossible than Rogers did. Trevor gave his life to destroy the poison gas. Rogers is not only still alive but living in a world with plenty of cool things that weren't around in 1945. The comparison isn't even close. Trevor made the ultimate sacrifice while Rogers didn't make much of a sacrifice at all. When they bring Trevor back, I have to wonder how you'll try and justify how he still has it worse than Rogers.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 19, 2017 21:41:41 GMT
Did he have any credibility in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 21:49:00 GMT
It would be like comparing 2 soldiers who joined the Army and were sent to fight a war and 1 dies in the war and the other comes back alive. The comparison isn't even close. The soldier who died made the ultimate sacrifice. The soldier who came back may have PTSD or some other psychological effects from fighting in the war but that's nowhere close to the ultimate sacrifice made by the soldier who died in the war. Are you MCU fans so dumb that you're incapable of understanding what it means for a soldier to make the ultimate sacrifice? The quote: "It would be like comparing 2 soldiers who joined the Army and were sent to fight a war and 1 dies in the war and the other comes back alive. The comparison isn't even close. The soldier who died made the ultimate sacrifice. The soldier who came back may have PTSD or some other psychological effects from fighting in the war but that's nowhere close to the ultimate sacrifice made by the soldier who died in the war. Are you MCU fans so dumb that you're incapable of understanding what it means for a soldier to make the ultimate sacrifice?" Congratulations: you've crossed the line from simply being a moronic jerk to being a full-on asshole now.
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Post by sostie on Jun 19, 2017 22:14:45 GMT
Did he have any credibility in the first place? No. But I had to establish a level of credibility, albeit fictional, to make the line work
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 19, 2017 23:28:14 GMT
Well, 0.1% of a level is still a level I suppose.
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