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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 17:14:56 GMT
I wonder if there will be a tell-all someday from people behind the scenes. Something like that probably won’t happen for decades, but I would bet anything the idea of making tv shows was forced on Feige. We will probably never going to get the full true story, unless someone is willing to nuke a lot of bridges in the industry. That or if Disney goes completely under and is destroyed. God please let Disney get destroyed! Someone has to bring an end to their evil capitalistic Empire! Sometimes things come to light eventually, once the franchise in question is long over and the NDAs have expired. There was recently an ex-producer who talked about Feige covering up some Iron Man deleted scenes to prevent people from realizing how bad some of the original footage was.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 18, 2023 3:53:18 GMT
People regularly cited Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 amongst the weakest MCU movies, even now. Phase 4 is just considered even worse. That is the consensus whether it's liked or not. Phase 1 were iconic characters from the ashes of nothing, with The Avengers 2012 making the build-up beyond worth our while. Phase 4 had Infinity Saga characters dumbed down for multiverse stuff. Oh, like when exactly?
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 18, 2023 3:56:32 GMT
Phase 1 were iconic characters from the ashes of nothing, with The Avengers 2012 making the build-up beyond worth our while. Phase 4 had Infinity Saga characters dumbed down for multiverse stuff. Oh, like when exactly? Well, Dr. Strange was practically a balloon animal clown in No Way Home. Thor would've been better off drunk for Love & Thunder. Gamora went from a dark interesting place at Thanos' side, to Peter's squeeze, to angry crazy girl.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 18, 2023 4:05:54 GMT
Well, Dr. Strange was practically a balloon animal clown in No Way Home. Thor would've been better off drunk for Love & Thunder. Gamora went from a dark interesting place at Thanos' side, to Peter's squeeze, to angry crazy girl. Gamora's better off not being Peter's squeeze, and it was fitting that she and Nebula ultimately swapped places. Plus she's not the same Gamora from the Infinity Saga.
Yes, Dr Strange was made dumb in NWH. Funny how no one complained about that.
Thor was better in Love and Thunder than he was in Endgame and Infinity War, IMO.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 18, 2023 12:12:13 GMT
Well, Dr. Strange was practically a balloon animal clown in No Way Home. Thor would've been better off drunk for Love & Thunder. Gamora went from a dark interesting place at Thanos' side, to Peter's squeeze, to angry crazy girl. Gamora's better off not being Peter's squeeze, and it was fitting that she and Nebula ultimately swapped places. Plus she's not the same Gamora from the Infinity Saga.
Yes, Dr Strange was made dumb in NWH. Funny how no one complained about that.
Thor was better in Love and Thunder than he was in Endgame and Infinity War, IMO.
You need to go back and watch Infinity War. It's the best representation of the character in the MCU to date. He's been a clown show ever since.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 18, 2023 12:32:20 GMT
Gamora's better off not being Peter's squeeze, and it was fitting that she and Nebula ultimately swapped places. Plus she's not the same Gamora from the Infinity Saga.
Yes, Dr Strange was made dumb in NWH. Funny how no one complained about that.
Thor was better in Love and Thunder than he was in Endgame and Infinity War, IMO.
You need to go back and watch Infinity War. It's the best representation of the character in the MCU to date. He's been a clown show ever since. I did, he talks a good game and then fails against Thanos twice. It's his only contribution to the movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 18, 2023 12:39:22 GMT
You need to go back and watch Infinity War. It's the best representation of the character in the MCU to date. He's been a clown show ever since. I did, he talks a good game and then fails against Thanos twice. It's his only contribution to the movie. Sure. It's the most character development he's had in any movie. The quest for Stormbreaker is some of the best Thor material in all of the MCU. He singlehandedly turns the battle in Wakanda and overpowers the gauntlet. He does better than literally everyone else in the movie against Thanos one on one. Lazy trolling isn't your strong suit, you're better at nine paragraph rants about haters on youtube in 2012.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 18, 2023 13:46:45 GMT
I did, he talks a good game and then fails against Thanos twice. It's his only contribution to the movie. Sure. It's the most character development he's had in any movie. The quest for Stormbreaker is some of the best Thor material in all of the MCU. He singlehandedly turns the battle in Wakanda and overpowers the gauntlet. He does better than literally everyone else in the movie against Thanos one on one. Lazy trolling isn't your strong suit, you're better at nine paragraph rants about haters on youtube in 2012. Not compared to Ragnarok, it's not.
His attack on Thanos is ultimately pointless, he does nothing to stop the snap. Really his role in Infinity War is just there to give us a moment of hope that ultimately fails. Then in Endgame it's more about pulling him out of his lazy funk.
He accomplishes and does more in L&T but certain folks don't see that because they're mad Jane got a decent role for once and screaming Goats.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 18, 2023 14:05:24 GMT
Sure. It's the most character development he's had in any movie. The quest for Stormbreaker is some of the best Thor material in all of the MCU. He singlehandedly turns the battle in Wakanda and overpowers the gauntlet. He does better than literally everyone else in the movie against Thanos one on one. Lazy trolling isn't your strong suit, you're better at nine paragraph rants about haters on youtube in 2012. Not compared to Ragnarok, it's not.
His attack on Thanos is ultimately pointless, he does nothing to stop the snap. Really his role in Infinity War is just there to give us a moment of hope that ultimately fails. Then in Endgame it's more about pulling him out of his lazy funk.
He accomplishes and does more in L&T but certain folks don't see that because they're mad Jane got a decent role for once and screaming Goats.
He does nothing in Love and Thunder. Jane wasn't the problem with that movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 18, 2023 19:53:52 GMT
In recent years I have gotten the strong impression that neither Kevin Feige and company really knew what to do with Thor after the moment they had him slice off Thanos' head at the beginning of Endgame and the five-year gap happened. They didn't think hard enough of where to go with the character, so they took the lazy route and reduced him to a pathetic, overweight, drunkard who is unfit to be a king and spends most of his time being a sloth around the house and playing video games like Fortnite where he gets into arguments with young punks online. They have him go through the same arc all over again but quicker and rather than have him aspire to be a better king of New Asgard, they say he needs to rediscover himself all over again and have him on adventures with the Guardians of the Galaxy for a while.
In Love and Thunder, they get him back into shape, but he is still a bumbling fool for the majority of Endgame, and at the end of the whole affair he still doesn't progress very much as a character - still refuses his destiny to be a king to his people, doesn't regain any of the regality the character is traditionally portrayed to possess, and the most responsibility he takes is being an adoptive parent who takes the child on crazy, cosmic adventures rather than raise her in safer conditions. Not to mention, the What If...? iteration was pretty uninteresting and dull ("Party Thor", really?). It's honestly pathetic that Disney and Marvel Studios fail to recognize how much potential there is with the Thor character, his backlog of stories and characters are massive and would give the Marvel Cinematic Universe endless material to work from, in fact you could even have a whole phase of content centered around Thor and Thor related characters and tell stories that are so epic it would give the Lord of the Rings a run for its money.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2023 22:50:56 GMT
Sure. It's the most character development he's had in any movie. The quest for Stormbreaker is some of the best Thor material in all of the MCU. He singlehandedly turns the battle in Wakanda and overpowers the gauntlet. He does better than literally everyone else in the movie against Thanos one on one. Lazy trolling isn't your strong suit, you're better at nine paragraph rants about haters on youtube in 2012. Not compared to Ragnarok, it's not.
His attack on Thanos is ultimately pointless, he does nothing to stop the snap. Really his role in Infinity War is just there to give us a moment of hope that ultimately fails. Then in Endgame it's more about pulling him out of his lazy funk.
He accomplishes and does more in L&T but certain folks don't see that because they're mad Jane got a decent role for once and screaming Goats.
Look at this guy, raging about how MCU fans dislike Phase 4 and then in the same breath completely dissing arguably the best portrayal of Thor on screen. Hypocrite much?
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 18, 2023 23:01:45 GMT
In recent years I have gotten the strong impression that neither Kevin Feige and company really knew what to do with Thor after the moment they had him slice off Thanos' head at the beginning of Endgame and the five-year gap happened. They've just seemed to have him fit in no matter the gravitas or juvenile scenario either way. I do think he can remain credibly in picture through Secret Wars. All things considered, I do think Hemsworth has done a more than admirable job with the role - Thor has many memorable Avengers films moments, & his chemistry with most every MCU personality isn't nothing - Banner, Hulk, Rocket, Groot, Loki, Thanos, Rogers, etc; I'm not certain a single other MCU character has that versatility, including Stark.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 19, 2023 0:50:50 GMT
Not compared to Ragnarok, it's not.
His attack on Thanos is ultimately pointless, he does nothing to stop the snap. Really his role in Infinity War is just there to give us a moment of hope that ultimately fails. Then in Endgame it's more about pulling him out of his lazy funk.
He accomplishes and does more in L&T but certain folks don't see that because they're mad Jane got a decent role for once and screaming Goats.
He does nothing in Love and Thunder. Jane wasn't the problem with that movie. He helps stop the attack on New Asgard, he gets them to the God City, he defeats Zeus and steals the Thunderbolt and gets them to space with the Goats he was rewarded with and keeps up fighting all the way through the movie.
More than he did in Infinity War and Endgame.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 19, 2023 0:52:10 GMT
Not compared to Ragnarok, it's not.
His attack on Thanos is ultimately pointless, he does nothing to stop the snap. Really his role in Infinity War is just there to give us a moment of hope that ultimately fails. Then in Endgame it's more about pulling him out of his lazy funk.
He accomplishes and does more in L&T but certain folks don't see that because they're mad Jane got a decent role for once and screaming Goats.
Look at this guy, raging about how MCU fans dislike Phase 4 and then in the same breath completely dissing arguably the best portrayal of Thor on screen. Hypocrite much? The "best version" of him turned out to matter very little in Infinity War and Endgame. Dislike Love and Thunder all you want but at least that Thor does stuff.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 19, 2023 0:56:09 GMT
In recent years I have gotten the strong impression that neither Kevin Feige and company really knew what to do with Thor after the moment they had him slice off Thanos' head at the beginning of Endgame and the five-year gap happened. They didn't think hard enough of where to go with the character, so they took the lazy route and reduced him to a pathetic, overweight, drunkard who is unfit to be a king and spends most of his time being a sloth around the house and playing video games like Fortnite where he gets into arguments with young punks online. They have him go through the same arc all over again but quicker and rather than have him aspire to be a better king of New Asgard, they say he needs to rediscover himself all over again and have him on adventures with the Guardians of the Galaxy for a while. In Love and Thunder, they get him back into shape, but he is still a bumbling fool for the majority of Endgame, and at the end of the whole affair he still doesn't progress very much as a character - still refuses his destiny to be a king to his people, doesn't regain any of the regality the character is traditionally portrayed to possess, and the most responsibility he takes is being an adoptive parent who takes the child on crazy, cosmic adventures rather than raise her in safer conditions. Not to mention, the What If...? iteration was pretty uninteresting and dull ("Party Thor", really?). It's honestly pathetic that Disney and Marvel Studios fail to recognize how much potential there is with the Thor character, his backlog of stories and characters are massive and would give the Marvel Cinematic Universe endless material to work from, in fact you could even have a whole phase of content centered around Thor and Thor related characters and tell stories that are so epic it would give the Lord of the Rings a run for its money. Having him stay on Earth means he'd radically affect every Earth centric project going forward because now all the heroes would have a God on call to come by anytime to resolve everything. He gives up the Throne and leaves Earth because it keeps his presence from messing up every Earthbound project moving forward.
A whole Phase about Thor...that shafts and derails every other project. Yeah, don't think so.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 19, 2023 1:16:14 GMT
He does nothing in Love and Thunder. Jane wasn't the problem with that movie. He helps stop the attack on New Asgard, he gets them to the God City, he defeats Zeus and steals the Thunderbolt and gets them to space with the Goats he was rewarded with and keeps up fighting all the way through the movie.
More than he did in Infinity War and Endgame.
No he doesn't. He gets distracted as the children are taken, which was Gorr's intent all along. He then gets his ass handed to him (again) by Gorr, who only decided not to kill everyone in the end because Thor quits to be with Jane. What a hero.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 19, 2023 1:42:05 GMT
He helps stop the attack on New Asgard, he gets them to the God City, he defeats Zeus and steals the Thunderbolt and gets them to space with the Goats he was rewarded with and keeps up fighting all the way through the movie.
More than he did in Infinity War and Endgame.
No he doesn't. He gets distracted as the children are taken, which was Gorr's intent all along. He then gets his ass handed to him (again) by Gorr, who only decided not to kill everyone in the end because Thor quits to be with Jane. What a hero. He gets distracted in an earlier battle, which shows he's still a flawed person who can't always win. Good.
Everyone gets their asses handed to them by Gorr until Thor proves by his actions rather than his power that he wasn't deserving of Gorr's wrath, proving there's more to being a hero than just raw power. Jane gets in on this as well, because the story was just as much about her as him.
Of course, certain folks refuse to see this because all they can see is screaming goats and "How Jane actually do more than be a useless love interest/damsel?"
Better than spending an entire movie making a weapon and then failing to use that weapon properly.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 19, 2023 1:49:48 GMT
Brilliant.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 19, 2023 2:21:02 GMT
In recent years I have gotten the strong impression that neither Kevin Feige and company really knew what to do with Thor after the moment they had him slice off Thanos' head at the beginning of Endgame and the five-year gap happened. They didn't think hard enough of where to go with the character, so they took the lazy route and reduced him to a pathetic, overweight, drunkard who is unfit to be a king and spends most of his time being a sloth around the house and playing video games like Fortnite where he gets into arguments with young punks online. They have him go through the same arc all over again but quicker and rather than have him aspire to be a better king of New Asgard, they say he needs to rediscover himself all over again and have him on adventures with the Guardians of the Galaxy for a while. In Love and Thunder, they get him back into shape, but he is still a bumbling fool for the majority of Endgame, and at the end of the whole affair he still doesn't progress very much as a character - still refuses his destiny to be a king to his people, doesn't regain any of the regality the character is traditionally portrayed to possess, and the most responsibility he takes is being an adoptive parent who takes the child on crazy, cosmic adventures rather than raise her in safer conditions. Not to mention, the What If...? iteration was pretty uninteresting and dull ("Party Thor", really?). It's honestly pathetic that Disney and Marvel Studios fail to recognize how much potential there is with the Thor character, his backlog of stories and characters are massive and would give the Marvel Cinematic Universe endless material to work from, in fact you could even have a whole phase of content centered around Thor and Thor related characters and tell stories that are so epic it would give the Lord of the Rings a run for its money. Having him stay on Earth means he'd radically affect every Earth centric project going forward because now all the heroes would have a God on call to come by anytime to resolve everything. He gives up the Throne and leaves Earth because it keeps his presence from messing up every Earthbound project moving forward.
A whole Phase about Thor...that shafts and derails every other project. Yeah, don't think so.
Two lies don't give a truth, and neither will a third one. Try again.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 19, 2023 2:43:01 GMT
Thor loses the earlier battle in L&T and then by the end of the film he and Jane triumph in a way that doesn't require them to just beat up Gorr (unlike that stupid comic story where Thor had to get other versions of himself), in Infinity War he spends the entire film preparing for his battle and still fails.
Infinity War Thor = Total Failure
Love and Thunder = Actually accomplishes something
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