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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 23:10:55 GMT
Load of BS. I follow Jeremy Jahns and he definitely disliked majority of phase 4. In fact he barely made reviews for the D+ shows. Him not reviewing them doesn't mean he disliked the, just that he didn't have time to review them. He didn't hate Shang Chi or Wakanda Forever or Multiverse either.
He didn't indulge in the "MCU is doomed mwahahahaha!" stuff that Nerdrotic and Quartering and Geeks and Gamers have been doing.
Jeremy Jahns did review some of the Disney+ shows (WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, What If...?, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), he enjoyed them but didn't think they possessed writing quality that was better than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Neither Nerdrotic, The Quartering, or those involved in Geeks + Gamers are film critics, the content they produce is reacting to media and making live streams of them and company talking about this and that topic of interest or of them playing video games. Their bread and butter isn't doing movie reviews and talking about filmmaking.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 23:17:09 GMT
Neither Jeremy Jahns or Chris Stuckmann have said that the Disney+ shows are better written than the first second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Their reviews of the Disney+ shows can also be pretty much summarized as "enjoyable, has it's moment, but sloppy in places and not great on the whole." They sound more forgiving than anything. They don't have to explicitly say that, they aren't indulging in the Idiot Hater Bandwagon Rhetoric that Grifters are doing, and they're pointing out the good in those shows. You used them both as examples of critics who think that the Disney+ shows are better than the first and second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU, but the evidence is not there to support your claim. Secondly, Jahns and Stuckmann are film and television critics, it is their job to try and find good things about a work, the "Grifters" you cite are not film and television critics they're content is built on reacting to news. But this is clearly a set-up for another of your endless traps, so I anticipate your response will be a copy and paste.
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Post by Cat on May 20, 2023 23:37:36 GMT
I never thought it was. The idea that Coulson was alive on TV all those years later was whack to me. The Netflix Marvel shows I thought were canon though. The Disney + shows are inseparably linked to the movies and I don't like the principle of that.
AoS was canon for the first few seasons, then it was eventually separated into its own thing. That is so weird. Then again I never watched the series. Maybe something happened in the show that... I've no idea. Agent Carter was for canon though.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 23:49:11 GMT
Him not reviewing them doesn't mean he disliked the, just that he didn't have time to review them. He didn't hate Shang Chi or Wakanda Forever or Multiverse either.
He didn't indulge in the "MCU is doomed mwahahahaha!" stuff that Nerdrotic and Quartering and Geeks and Gamers have been doing.
Jeremy Jahns did review some of the Disney+ shows (WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, What If...?, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), he enjoyed them but didn't think they possessed writing quality that was better than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Neither Nerdrotic, The Quartering, or those involved in Geeks + Gamers are film critics, the content they produce is reacting to media and making live streams of them and company talking about this and that topic of interest or of them playing video games. Their bread and butter isn't doing movie reviews and talking about filmmaking. Did he say that they were worse than everything from those series? Did he slag off the D+ shows like they were worthless the way the Grifters did? No, he did not.
They certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something, hence why they indulge in outrage culture.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 23:50:22 GMT
They don't have to explicitly say that, they aren't indulging in the Idiot Hater Bandwagon Rhetoric that Grifters are doing, and they're pointing out the good in those shows. You used them both as examples of critics who think that the Disney+ shows are better than the first and second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU, but the evidence is not there to support your claim. Secondly, Jahns and Stuckmann are film and television critics, it is their job to try and find good things about a work, the "Grifters" you cite are not film and television critics they're content is built on reacting to news. But this is clearly a set-up for another of your endless traps, so I anticipate your response will be a copy and paste. They didn't slag off the shows the way other "Critics" did, and their reviews came off as more positive than for the DCEU, most FoX-Men reviews they did and their Phases 1 and 2 reviews.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 23:52:17 GMT
AoS was canon for the first few seasons, then it was eventually separated into its own thing. That is so weird. Then again I never watched the series. Maybe something happened in the show that... I've no idea. Agent Carter was for canon though.
There was further divide between the film and television division at Marvel, which led to less connectivity between the movies and television series. This meant that Marvel Television could produce programs like Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Runaways, and Cloak & Dagger and Hellstrom that can say they occupy the same universe as the films do, but not reference them very strongly or guarantee any significance in the storylines of the films. The producers of these shows tried not to step on any toes with what they did storyline wise so that if the opportunity came and Kevin Feige decided to bring in those characters with the same actors they could easily make those event canon to the films. Agent Carter was 100% canon to the films because a lot of its developers came from those working in the film side of Marvel, other shows.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 0:00:57 GMT
Jeremy Jahns did review some of the Disney+ shows (WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, What If...?, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), he enjoyed them but didn't think they possessed writing quality that was better than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Neither Nerdrotic, The Quartering, or those involved in Geeks + Gamers are film critics, the content they produce is reacting to media and making live streams of them and company talking about this and that topic of interest or of them playing video games. Their bread and butter isn't doing movie reviews and talking about filmmaking. Did he say that they were worse than everything from those series? Did he slag off the D+ shows like they were worthless the way the Grifters did? No, he did not.
They certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something, hence why they indulge in outrage culture.
He didn't say they were better written than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU - which is what you claimed. And no, because he didn't react to the media the way others had doesn't make the claim correct. They're not critics, they don't claim to be critics. Saying "they certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something" doesn't make it true.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 0:05:15 GMT
You used them both as examples of critics who think that the Disney+ shows are better than the first and second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU, but the evidence is not there to support your claim. Secondly, Jahns and Stuckmann are film and television critics, it is their job to try and find good things about a work, the "Grifters" you cite are not film and television critics they're content is built on reacting to news. But this is clearly a set-up for another of your endless traps, so I anticipate your response will be a copy and paste. They didn't slag off the shows the way other "Critics" did, and their reviews came off as more positive than for the DCEU, most FoX-Men reviews they did and their Phases 1 and 2 reviews. None of the people you cite as being "grifters" are film critics, and reactions from both Jahns and Stuckmann don't prove your claim right if they don't say such things.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 21, 2023 0:53:55 GMT
Did he say that they were worse than everything from those series? Did he slag off the D+ shows like they were worthless the way the Grifters did? No, he did not.
They certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something, hence why they indulge in outrage culture.
He didn't say they were better written than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU - which is what you claimed. And no, because he didn't react to the media the way others had doesn't make the claim correct. They're not critics, they don't claim to be critics. Saying "they certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something" doesn't make it true. He didn't say they were worse, and in fact his words were brighter and more optimistic than they were about First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Ant-Man 1 and 2, and Age of Ultron.
They act like they're critics, they see fit to try and dissect and analyze (really, they're just lying) about those films like they are critics. Until they outright say "We're not real critics", they should be treated as such.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 21, 2023 0:55:03 GMT
They didn't slag off the shows the way other "Critics" did, and their reviews came off as more positive than for the DCEU, most FoX-Men reviews they did and their Phases 1 and 2 reviews. None of the people you cite as being "grifters" are film critics, and reactions from both Jahns and Stuckmann don't prove your claim right if they don't say such things. They were more positive in their reviews of the D+ shows than they were towards First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Age of Ultron, Iron Man 2 and 3, Ant-Mans 1 and 2 and Age of Ultron.
The Grifters certainly act like they're authorities on things. So they should be treated by the standards of critics, especially with how bad they are at it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 2:27:21 GMT
He didn't say they were better written than Phase One, Phase Two, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU - which is what you claimed. And no, because he didn't react to the media the way others had doesn't make the claim correct. They're not critics, they don't claim to be critics. Saying "they certainly act like they're critics whose words mean something" doesn't make it true. He didn't say they were worse, and in fact his words were brighter and more optimistic than they were about First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Ant-Man 1 and 2, and Age of Ultron.
They act like they're critics, they see fit to try and dissect and analyze (really, they're just lying) about those films like they are critics. Until they outright say "We're not real critics", they should be treated as such.
Oh, my goodness, Chris Stuckmann and Jeremy Jahns liked Alita: Battle Angel over Captain Marvel, based on your logic, it must follow that they believe that the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope is good for storytelling. But wait, there's more... ...They both loved Top Gun: Maverick, a, as you describe it being, right-wing military propaganda film designed to brainwash the masses. Do Stuckmann and Jahns still have their "integrity" in your eyes? (This should be amusing)
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Post by formersamhmd on May 21, 2023 2:59:28 GMT
He didn't say they were worse, and in fact his words were brighter and more optimistic than they were about First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Ant-Man 1 and 2, and Age of Ultron.
They act like they're critics, they see fit to try and dissect and analyze (really, they're just lying) about those films like they are critics. Until they outright say "We're not real critics", they should be treated as such.
Oh, my goodness, Chris Stuckmann and Jeremy Jahns liked Alita: Battle Angel over Captain Marvel, based on your logic, it must follow that they believe that the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope is good for storytelling. But wait, there's more... ...They both loved Top Gun: Maverick, a, as you describe it being, right-wing military propaganda film designed to brainwash the masses. Do Stuckmann and Jahns still have their "integrity" in your eyes? (This should be amusing) A lot of people didn't even realize the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope even existed before that video, given how many loved Wonder Woman. So I'll excuse it in this case, mainly because it was easy to be swept on in the Anti-Brie Larson wave until it subsided after the movie came out and the Broflakes calmed down. They don't say Alita was a perfect movie with no flaws, after all.
Yes, and I can tolerate two guys who are presumably patriotic getting pleasure from propaganda. Not being an American or Right Wing, I am not. But they are, so I can understand their patriotic loyalty.
They aren't engaging in Outrage Culture Rhetoric, after all.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 3:13:00 GMT
Oh, my goodness, Chris Stuckmann and Jeremy Jahns liked Alita: Battle Angel over Captain Marvel, based on your logic, it must follow that they believe that the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope is good for storytelling. But wait, there's more... ...They both loved Top Gun: Maverick, a, as you describe it being, right-wing military propaganda film designed to brainwash the masses. Do Stuckmann and Jahns still have their "integrity" in your eyes? (This should be amusing) A lot of people didn't even realize the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope even existed before that video, given how many loved Wonder Woman. So I'll excuse it in this case, mainly because it was easy to be swept on in the Anti-Brie Larson wave until it subsided after the movie came out and the Broflakes calmed down. They don't say Alita was a perfect movie with no flaws, after all.
Yes, and I can tolerate two guys who are presumably patriotic getting pleasure from propaganda. Not being an American or Right Wing, I am not. But they are, so I can understand their patriotic loyalty.
They aren't engaging in Outrage Culture Rhetoric, after all.
Ah, so 'double standards' then, how the pot is calling back the kettle...
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Post by Cat on May 21, 2023 17:39:08 GMT
That is so weird. Then again I never watched the series. Maybe something happened in the show that... I've no idea. Agent Carter was for canon though.
There was further divide between the film and television division at Marvel, which led to less connectivity between the movies and television series. This meant that Marvel Television could produce programs like Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Runaways, and Cloak & Dagger and Hellstrom that can say they occupy the same universe as the films do, but not reference them very strongly or guarantee any significance in the storylines of the films. The producers of these shows tried not to step on any toes with what they did storyline wise so that if the opportunity came and Kevin Feige decided to bring in those characters with the same actors they could easily make those event canon to the films. Agent Carter was 100% canon to the films because a lot of its developers came from those working in the film side of Marvel, other shows. The MCU Netflix shows did it well imo by only having references in the show. It's a one way connection from the shows to the movies but as long as it's there, it exists. The most recent reference I recall was in episode one of season three of Jessica Jones when she references Captain America by name, but I also thought the references were discreet enough that they could be retroactively explained to be about something else, if they so chose.
I think it was smart to do it this way because it built up the MCU and had the Netflix actors on-call (which I gather is not a great experience for an actor but that's a different thread) without interfering with the films. I watched them all as they were happening and I recall not a single thing from the movies that you'd only get if you watched the MCU Netflix shows. There's maybe an odd Easter egg I missed but certainly nothing critical to the plot.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 21, 2023 19:43:19 GMT
A lot of people didn't even realize the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope even existed before that video, given how many loved Wonder Woman. So I'll excuse it in this case, mainly because it was easy to be swept on in the Anti-Brie Larson wave until it subsided after the movie came out and the Broflakes calmed down. They don't say Alita was a perfect movie with no flaws, after all.
Yes, and I can tolerate two guys who are presumably patriotic getting pleasure from propaganda. Not being an American or Right Wing, I am not. But they are, so I can understand their patriotic loyalty.
They aren't engaging in Outrage Culture Rhetoric, after all.
Ah, so 'double standards' then, how the pot is calling back the kettle... Before I showed you that "Born Sexy Yesterday" video, would you have ever been aware of it? No you wouldn't.
Did they say Alita was a perfect film? No they don't.
Can I tolerate Americans, most of whom don't know propaganda when it's right in their faces? Yes I can.
Did either of them jump on the Outrage Culture bandwagon ranting about how women ruin everything unless they're handicapped and how Nonwhites deserve nothing? No they didn't.
As George Orwell said, "all art is propaganda". Good or bad, propaganda is still propaganda.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 20:17:10 GMT
Ah, so 'double standards' then, how the pot is calling back the kettle... Before I showed you that "Born Sexy Yesterday" video, would you have ever been aware of it? No you wouldn't.
Did they say Alita was a perfect film? No they don't.
Can I tolerate Americans, most of whom don't know propaganda when it's right in their faces? Yes I can.
Did either of them jump on the Outrage Culture bandwagon ranting about how women ruin everything unless they're handicapped and how Nonwhites deserve nothing? No they didn't.
As George Orwell said, "all art is propaganda". Good or bad, propaganda is still propaganda.
An apple a day keeps the doctor away, as does a whole carrot.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 21, 2023 20:33:22 GMT
Before I showed you that "Born Sexy Yesterday" video, would you have ever been aware of it? No you wouldn't.
Did they say Alita was a perfect film? No they don't.
Can I tolerate Americans, most of whom don't know propaganda when it's right in their faces? Yes I can.
Did either of them jump on the Outrage Culture bandwagon ranting about how women ruin everything unless they're handicapped and how Nonwhites deserve nothing? No they didn't.
As George Orwell said, "all art is propaganda". Good or bad, propaganda is still propaganda.
An apple a day keeps the doctor away, as does a whole carrot. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420713/Evidence does not support that an apple a day keeps the doctor away; however, the small fraction of US adults who eat an apple a day do appear to use fewer prescription medications.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2023 21:44:19 GMT
An apple a day keeps the doctor away, as does a whole carrot. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420713/Evidence does not support that an apple a day keeps the doctor away; however, the small fraction of US adults who eat an apple a day do appear to use fewer prescription medications. Wild blueberries have twice as many antioxidants as regular blueberries do.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 21, 2023 22:10:53 GMT
Guys i'm worried about the MCU...
I think it needs to be rebooted...
preferably by Uwe Boll...
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Post by formersamhmd on May 22, 2023 0:08:44 GMT
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420713/Evidence does not support that an apple a day keeps the doctor away; however, the small fraction of US adults who eat an apple a day do appear to use fewer prescription medications. Wild blueberries have twice as many antioxidants as regular blueberries do. Smaller wild blueberries offer a higher skin-to-pulp ratio; meaning less water and more antioxidant-rich pigments, more fiber, and more intense blueberry flavor per serving. As 1 of 3 native North American fruits, wild blueberries are never planted
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