|
Post by brownstones on Jun 20, 2017 1:52:13 GMT
oh my god, are y'all still arguing? I'm not arguing. I just love exposing charzino's idiocy. 1. I have no clue who that is. 2. okay? seems like a waste of time.
|
|
|
Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 20, 2017 1:55:24 GMT
Only adults secure in their own maturity will be able to enjoy child friendly movies of good quality. Immature adults will find their maturity threatened by watching anything that kids might enjoy. Pretty much. If you're an adult, you SHOULD be past the point of feeling you have to prove you're "all grown up" to people. You've moved out of your mom's house, have a job, and live either on your own or with roommates. Those things alone should speak for themselves. And when did adulthood become parade worthy? It's mostly a fucking pain in the ass. I try to get out of it whenever possible. The idea that mainstream, commercially-driven films should "challenge" us as adults is simultaneously sad and ludicrous. It's escapist, pop-culture entertainment. It not's supposed to make you into a better human being or shed light on the human condition. SaveSaveSaveSave
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 1:58:37 GMT
Pretty much. If you're an adult, you SHOULD be past the point of feeling you have to prove you're "all grown up" to people. You've moved out of your mom's house, have a job, and live either on your own or with roommates. Those things alone should speak for themselves. And when did adulthood become parade worthy? It's mostly a fucking pain in the ass. I try to get out of it whenever possible. The idea that mainstream, commercially-driven films should "challenge" us as adults is simultaneously sad and ludicrous. It's escapist, pop-culture entertainment. It not's supposed to make you into a better human being or shed light on the human condition. SaveSaveSaveSaveExactly. Aren't we challenged enough by, you know, life, everyday? Of course, I honest-to-God once ran into someone who said we should never watch movies to just relax, but that we should always be watching things that enlighten us or challenge us, because otherwise we're letting ourselves get stupid and vulnerable. I hope he's learned just how exhausting and miserable that ideal is since then. Bet I'd hear a different tune now, since this was many, many years ago.
|
|
|
Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 20, 2017 2:24:46 GMT
And when did adulthood become parade worthy? It's mostly a fucking pain in the ass. I try to get out of it whenever possible. The idea that mainstream, commercially-driven films should "challenge" us as adults is simultaneously sad and ludicrous. It's escapist, pop-culture entertainment. It not's supposed to make you into a better human being or shed light on the human condition. SaveSaveSaveSaveExactly. Aren't we challenged enough by, you know, life, everyday? Of course, I honest-to-God once ran into someone who said we should never watch movies to just relax, but that we should always be watching things that enlighten us or challenge us, because otherwise we're letting ourselves get stupid and vulnerable. I hope he's learned just how exhausting and miserable that ideal is since then. Bet I'd hear a different tune now, since this was many, many years ago. Some things can and should challenge a human being; climbing a mountain, exploring space, reading complex literature, practicing calligraphy, learning the culinary arts, etc. The passive consumption of mass-produced spectacle isn't high up on my list. I like fangirling over my superhero porn as much as the next geek but, linking my brand of pop culture junk food to an elitist, fandom caste system is a hallmark of insanity. They're just movies, you enjoy them - hopefully in a cozy communal setting - and you get transported away for a little while. What's so hard to grasp about that? I once went out on a date with a guy who told me that watching Man of Steel had changed his life. He said that it made him realize he should "be a good person" and "go to the gym more often." Gobbling down an entire glass of wine in a single gulp was all I could do to keep from laughing in this man's face. All this posturing is sad and needless. It's the foot stompings of little children who have no attention span and become bored quickly. The need to be constantly ever, over stimulated and "challenged" by THE NEW is sickening. No sooner do you make something NEW and exciting then does it need to be one-uped. Got a villain who chews glass for breakfast? That's nice, where's his successor that pisses battery acid and does one-handed push-ups at the same time? They're like babies in constant need of the sound of a rattle to keep them pacified. It would be cute if it weren't so damn sad. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 3:24:42 GMT
Exactly. Aren't we challenged enough by, you know, life, everyday? Of course, I honest-to-God once ran into someone who said we should never watch movies to just relax, but that we should always be watching things that enlighten us or challenge us, because otherwise we're letting ourselves get stupid and vulnerable. I hope he's learned just how exhausting and miserable that ideal is since then. Bet I'd hear a different tune now, since this was many, many years ago. Some things can and should challenge a human being; climbing a mountain, exploring space, reading complex literature, practicing calligraphy, learning the culinary arts, etc. The passive consumption of mass-produced spectacle isn't high up on my list. I like fangirling over my superhero porn as much as the next geek but, linking my brand of pop culture junk food to an elitist, fandom caste system is a hallmark of insanity. They're just movies, you enjoy them - hopefully in a cozy communal setting - and you get transported away for a little while. What's so hard to grasp about that? I once went out on a date with a guy who told me that watching Man of Steel had changed his life. He said that it made him realize he should "be a good person" and "go to the gym more often." Gobbling down an entire glass of wine in a single gulp was all I could do to keep from laughing in this man's face. All this posturing is sad and needless. It's the foot stompings of little children who have no attention span and become bored quickly. The need to be constantly ever, over stimulated and "challenged" by THE NEW is sickening. No sooner do you make something NEW and exciting then does it need to be one-uped. Got a villain who chews glass for breakfast? That's nice, where's his successor that pisses battery acid and does one-handed push-ups at the same time? They're like babies in constant need of the sound of a rattle to keep them pacified. It would be cute if it weren't so damn sad. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveAnd honestly, pondering the meaning of existence and the human condition with each and every new movie just sounds exhausting, and I usually sit down and watch these AFTER I've had an exhausting day at work, so I'm already on the tired side by the time I get to enjoy Starlord rocking out while killing purple-skilled three-eyed aliens. The idea of just enjoying things is so foreign to these people that it IS just sad, you're.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Jun 20, 2017 10:25:09 GMT
In Guardians Vol. 2 alone, there's a scene where Yondu's mutinous crew throws every Ravager still loyal to him out the airlock and we get to watch every moment of freezing, suffocating death in the subzero vacuum of space. Oh, and there's a cavern full of child corpses. What was this about the MCU being targeted at children? Im not talking about individual scenes, of course there will be sequences which are aimed at over 18s otherwise we'd have a full on Disney animation film. Its more the overall tone and gravitas (lack of) of the MCU in general that makes it child orientated- again im not saying thats a negative, just an observation.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Jun 20, 2017 10:27:22 GMT
People having a full range of emotions, the music isn't all dark and foreboding, the characters wear colorful costumes. That kind of stuff. They dont have a range of emotions, its all wooden. Stark, Cap, Quill, Thor, etc are all monotoned. And before you say it, no its not because they are subtle. They are prohibited for scenes that allows them to express raw emotion.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Jun 20, 2017 11:36:29 GMT
People having a full range of emotions, the music isn't all dark and foreboding, the characters wear colorful costumes. That kind of stuff. They dont have a range of emotions, its all wooden. Stark, Cap, Quill, Thor, etc are all monotoned. And before you say it, no its not because they are subtle. They are prohibited for scenes that allows them to express raw emotion. Stark, Cap, Quill and Thor are less monotone than Magneto and Xavier. They show more real humanity than either of them do, including "deep" parts like Xavier being a wannabe drunk or Magneto's "poor little family" dying. People just don't want to see past the costumes and the over-the-top comic bookiness of the MCU movies to acknowledge it, because they're ashamed of comics.
|
|
misstique
Sophomore
@misstique
Posts: 589
Likes: 367
|
Post by misstique on Jun 20, 2017 12:42:01 GMT
John Landis? Legendary? ??
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Jun 20, 2017 12:52:22 GMT
Stark, Cap, Quill and Thor are less monotone than Magneto and Xavier. They show more real humanity than either of them do, including "deep" parts like Xavier being a wannabe drunk or Magneto's "poor little family" dying. No they don't, its not even close to those Xavier and Magneto examples. Stark and rest are put on a tight leash and any emotion is suffocated, I cant think of 1 example where they react with any intensity to a negative ordeal - they often just laugh it off. Nah. I and other critics of the MCU DO want to look past the colourful costumes and OTT comic booky nature of the films, sadly there's nothing of much substance behind the superficial layer. But with the X-Men, you can look past the fact they dont have classic costumes or signature trademarks and you'll find everything that the MCU lacks.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 20, 2017 14:28:02 GMT
Stark, Cap, Quill and Thor are less monotone than Magneto and Xavier. They show more real humanity than either of them do, including "deep" parts like Xavier being a wannabe drunk or Magneto's "poor little family" dying. No they don't, its not even close to those Xavier and Magneto examples. Stark and rest are put on a tight leash and any emotion is suffocated, I cant think of 1 example where they react with any intensity to a negative ordeal - they often just laugh it off. Nah. I and other critics of the MCU DO want to look past the colourful costumes and OTT comic booky nature of the films, sadly there's nothing of much substance behind the superficial layer. But with the X-Men, you can look past the fact they dont have classic costumes or signature trademarks and you'll find everything that the MCU lacks.
Boom.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 16:20:32 GMT
John Landis is right but he cant complain because he isnt the target audience for the MCU, its aimed at little children and pre adolescent teens. In Guardians Vol. 2 alone, there's a scene where Yondu's mutinous crew throws every Ravager still loyal to him out the airlock and we get to watch every moment of freezing, suffocating death in the subzero vacuum of space. Oh, and there's a cavern full of child corpses. What was this about the MCU being targeted at children? What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true.
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Jun 20, 2017 16:38:05 GMT
It's safe to say if not for his Dad Max Landis wouldn't have a career. right.... Max Landis only wrote Chronicle one of the most interesting and innovative superhero/god movies (if power corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely). Save to say, his dad wrote that for him and opened the doors, eh? that movie sucks.
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 20, 2017 16:38:56 GMT
TexasPete said: I think one has to be uncommonly obtuse and naive to think that all these contents could not be part of movies aimed at "little c hildren and pre adolescent teens". In fact already the aggressive, foul mouthed and butthurt emptiness of the protests indicate that Charzhino only stated the obvious. (Apart from this, mature lines such as " you said it yourself bitch, we're the guardians of the galaxy" together with " Showtime a-holes!" in combination with a silly avatar speak volumes of the intelligence age of the protestors...waiting for a silly counter avatar adhom )
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 16:41:05 GMT
TexasPete said: I think one has to be uncommonly obtuse and naive to think that all these contents would not be part of movies aimed at " the target audience for the MCU, its aimed at little children and pre adolescent teens". In fact already the aggressive, foul mouthed and butthurt emptiness of the protests indicate that Charzhino only stated the obvious. (Apart from this, mature lines such as " you said it yourself bitch, we're the guardians of the galaxy" together with " Showtime a-holes!" in combination with a silly avatar speak volumes of the intelligence age of the protestors...waiting for a silly counter avatar adhom ) Hey Tristan Shitslice, enjoy living the 'MCU is for kids' delusion that you think is true
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Jun 20, 2017 16:45:53 GMT
Funny you should mention rehashing formulas considering that's what Fox-Men films do. When the Fox-Men series manages to make something even half as politically relevant as Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War, get back to me. You have it all wrong. I think the real point is when mcu manages to make something politicly relevant like DOFP or First Class then we can talk. x-men movies handle political subtext a lot better...miles better because it is not watered down in x-men movies. call me crazy but batman vs superman had a deeper political subtext than civil war.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling.No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War. X-Men movies evaluates their political subject. MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it. MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies. The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie.no one will ever take you seriously on this board ever again. nor should they.
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 20, 2017 16:50:10 GMT
TexasPete said: I think one has to be uncommonly obtuse and naive to think that all these contents would not be part of movies aimed at " the target audience for the MCU, its aimed at little children and pre adolescent teens". In fact already the aggressive, foul mouthed and butthurt emptiness of the protests indicate that Charzhino only stated the obvious. (Apart from this, mature lines such as " you said it yourself bitch, we're the guardians of the galaxy" together with " Showtime a-holes!" in combination with a silly avatar speak volumes of the intelligence age of the protestors...waiting for a silly counter avatar adhom ) Hey Tristan Shitslice, Hey TexasPete, you old hypocrite, you promised me to put me on ignore, remember? What became of that promise? I enjoy that fact very much, but it's really targeted at "little children and pre adolescent teens", I would subsume you under the latter category intelligence-age wise, you are such an angry little man. Always a pleasure.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 16:52:51 GMT
Hey TexasPete, you old hypocrite, you promised me to put me on ignore, remember? What became of that promise? I enjoy that fact very much, but it's really targeted at "little children and pre adolescent teens", I would subsume you under the latter category intelligence-age wise, you are such an angry little man. Always a pleasure. 1. If you continue to be a delusional moron it will happen 2. See, this is why no one takes you seriously.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 20, 2017 16:54:10 GMT
You have it all wrong. I think the real point is when mcu manages to make something politicly relevant like DOFP or First Class then we can talk. x-men movies handle political subtext a lot better...miles better because it is not watered down in x-men movies. call me crazy but batman vs superman had a deeper political subtext than civil war.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling.No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War. X-Men movies evaluates their political subject. MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it. MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies. The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie.no one will ever take you seriously on this board ever again. nor should they. And who, praytell, takes you seriously? I forgot you even posted here; it's been a minute! I've been holding down the fort around here.
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 20, 2017 17:05:49 GMT
Hey TexasPete, you old hypocrite, you promised me to put me on ignore, remember? What became of that promise? I enjoy that fact very much, but it's really targeted at "little children and pre adolescent teens", I would subsume you under the latter category intelligence-age wise, you are such an angry little man. Always a pleasure. 1. If you continue to be a delusional moron it will happen 2. See, this is why no one takes you seriously. 1. I hereby solemnly swear by the old gods and the new that I and all my descendants shall always and forever continue to spread the obvious truth about the MCU that you deem delusional. Is that enough for ignore, Pete...? You can send me an affidavit, I will execute it if that helps.... 2. You obviously do, at least to such extent that you send me two dozen flaming posts within one hour, the other day...? I am popular with my allies and much feared by my foes, but that never happened to me before.
|
|