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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 20, 2017 20:57:27 GMT
Stark, Cap, Quill and Thor are less monotone than Magneto and Xavier. They show more real humanity than either of them do, including "deep" parts like Xavier being a wannabe drunk or Magneto's "poor little family" dying. No they don't, its not even close to those Xavier and Magneto examples. Stark and rest are put on a tight leash and any emotion is suffocated, I cant think of 1 example where they react with any intensity to a negative ordeal - they often just laugh it off. Nah. I and other critics of the MCU DO want to look past the colourful costumes and OTT comic booky nature of the films, sadly there's nothing of much substance behind the superficial layer. But with the X-Men, you can look past the fact they dont have classic costumes or signature trademarks and you'll find everything that the MCU lacks. It is close, it surpasses actually. They just don't angst about things all the time the way Xavier and Magneto do. That scene where Cap visits Peggy at the old folks home, or when Star-Lord watches his mom die, or even that bit where Stark meets Peter Parker.
Nope, you just can't look past that stuff to see anything else underneath. Mainly because they reject the 'grounded' aesthetic, they don't make the villains the stars of the show, they actually have the heroes' situations change while X-Men is all about the status quo and they don't go for low blows like exploiting the Holocaust.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 21:11:49 GMT
In Guardians Vol. 2 alone, there's a scene where Yondu's mutinous crew throws every Ravager still loyal to him out the airlock and we get to watch every moment of freezing, suffocating death in the subzero vacuum of space. Oh, and there's a cavern full of child corpses. What was this about the MCU being targeted at children? What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. All that, too. I was just using the most recent Marvel film, since that one would most immediately on everyone's mind. If we were before Guardian Vol. 2's release, I'd be listing all the horrible things Kaecilious and his Zealots did.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 2:34:26 GMT
What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. All that, too. I was just using the most recent Marvel film, since that one would most immediately on everyone's mind. If we were before Guardian Vol. 2's release, I'd be listing all the horrible things Kaecilious and his Zealots did. Humanity fears and hates us Charles. We should rule. Blah, blah, blah... When they go cosmic with their rendition of the Dark Phoenix saga, who will fear and hate them in space?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 5:23:15 GMT
All that, too. I was just using the most recent Marvel film, since that one would most immediately on everyone's mind. If we were before Guardian Vol. 2's release, I'd be listing all the horrible things Kaecilious and his Zealots did. Humanity fears and hates us Charles. We should rule. Blah, blah, blah... When they go cosmic with their rendition of the Dark Phoenix saga, who will fear and hate them in space? They'll just go the Alien or Predator route and the aliens will just be hostile to anything from Earth.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 21, 2017 6:09:27 GMT
im not a fan of MCU but when 's the last time he made a good movie again?.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 11:46:58 GMT
^It's so funny watching you dorks shit all over a conceit that's so much richer and inherently more sophisticated in an allegorical and literary sense than the dime-store material on which your precious MCU is based, but -- don't let me stop your circle-jerk. I think one of you was about to brick in the other's mouth, so please get on with it...
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 11:53:58 GMT
^It's so funny watching you dorks shit all over a conceit that's so much richer and inherently more sophisticated in an allegorical and literary sense than the dime-store material on which your precious MCU is based, but -- don't let me stop your circle-jerk. I think one of you was about to brick in the other's mouth, so please get on with it... So... you like to watch?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 11:56:44 GMT
^It's so funny watching you dorks shit all over a conceit that's so much richer and inherently more sophisticated in an allegorical and literary sense than the dime-store material on which your precious MCU is based, but -- don't let me stop your circle-jerk. I think one of you was about to brick in the other's mouth, so please get on with it... So... you like to watch? You guys talking out of the sides of your mouths about Infinity Gemstones and mocking another series which is, by virtue of its very existence, an inherently more sophisticated piece of fiction while embarrassing yourselves with every word? I watch that every day here. Edited to add: as you were...
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 21, 2017 12:03:03 GMT
^It's so funny watching you dorks shit all over a conceit that's so much richer and inherently more sophisticated in an allegorical and literary sense than the dime-store material on which your precious MCU is based, but -- don't let me stop your circle-jerk. I think one of you was about to brick in the other's mouth, so please get on with it... Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 12:04:10 GMT
^It's so funny watching you dorks shit all over a conceit that's so much richer and inherently more sophisticated in an allegorical and literary sense than the dime-store material on which your precious MCU is based, but -- don't let me stop your circle-jerk. I think one of you was about to brick in the other's mouth, so please get on with it... Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure. Ah, yes. The Mantra of the Moron with Nothing to Say.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 12:19:26 GMT
You guys talking out of the sides of your mouths about Infinity Gemstones and mocking another series which is, by virtue of its very existence, an inherently more sophisticated piece of fiction while embarrassing yourselves with every word? I watch that every day here. Edited to add: as you were... Sophisticated isn't a word I would use in a sentence with the title of any comic book movie. That said, do you.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 12:30:04 GMT
You guys talking out of the sides of your mouths about Infinity Gemstones and mocking another series which is, by virtue of its very existence, an inherently more sophisticated piece of fiction while embarrassing yourselves with every word? I watch that every day here. Edited to add: as you were... Sophisticated isn't a word I would use in a sentence with the title of any comic book movie. That said, do you. It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 12:46:16 GMT
Sophisticated isn't a word I would use in a sentence with the title of any comic book movie. That said, do you. It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. I feel like there's an emperor and some missing clothes in all this... I don't recall the MCU positioning itself as anything more than a burger and fries when you need a 🍔 and 🍟. Anyway, good to know where the bar bar is.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 12:48:12 GMT
It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. I feel like there's an emperor and some missing clothes in all this... I don't recall the MCU positioning itself as anything more than a burger and fries when you need a 🍔 and 🍟. Anyway, good to know where the bar bar is. You're welcome. I'm happy to remind you of that perspective anytime you lose sight of it.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 12:58:30 GMT
I feel like there's an emperor and some missing clothes in all this... I don't recall the MCU positioning itself as anything more than a burger and fries when you need a 🍔 and 🍟. Anyway, good to know where the bar bar is. You're welcome. I'm happy to remind you of that perspective anytime you lose sight of it. Yep, every High School needs a good hall monitor. I'll get up with you again when I need a pass.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 12:59:32 GMT
You're welcome. I'm happy to remind you of that perspective anytime you lose sight of it. Yep, every High School needs a good hall monitor. I'll get up with you again when I need a pass. So, basically, you're nominating me for Supreme Chancellor of this board?
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 13:05:32 GMT
Yep, every High School needs a good hall monitor. I'll get up with you again when I need a pass. So, basically, you're nominating me for Supreme Chancellor of this board? Dude, go for it. #YOLO
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 13:09:34 GMT
So, basically, you're nominating me for Supreme Chancellor of this board? Dude, go for it. #YOLO I did! I included your endorsement, as well. Make sure to go express your support for and loyalty to me. You will be rewarded in my new Empire. I mean, Republic.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 21, 2017 13:30:17 GMT
Sophisticated isn't a word I would use in a sentence with the title of any comic book movie. That said, do you. It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. So you're pissed that other characters are finally getting their dues, and you can't stand that people actually like these other characters instead of the worn out ones (the X-Men).
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 13:33:01 GMT
It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. So you're pissed that other characters are finally getting their dues, and you can't stand that people actually like these other characters instead of the worn out ones (the X-Men). Wrong again, BJ. Go play cards someplace, rain man. Like the middle of the freeway. Edited to add: don't forget to vote for me for Supreme Chancellor! I'm running unopposed.
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