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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 21, 2017 13:37:47 GMT
So you're pissed that other characters are finally getting their dues, and you can't stand that people actually like these other characters instead of the worn out ones (the X-Men). Wrong again, BJ. Go play cards someplace, rain man. Like the middle of the freeway. Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure. It's a little sad that the idea that audiences are finally realizing how awesome the rest of Marvel is instead of constantly falling back on the worn out characters like the X-Men can offend some people so much.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 13:39:58 GMT
Wrong again, BJ. Go play cards someplace, rain man. Like the middle of the freeway. Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure. It's a little sad that the idea that audiences are finally realizing how awesome the rest of Marvel is instead of constantly falling back on the worn out characters like the X-Men can offend some people so much. I didn't even read your retarded response, because it's irrelevant: go post in my Supreme Chancellor thread about how much you adore and support me. Do it now. I command it.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 21, 2017 13:57:43 GMT
In Guardians Vol. 2 alone, there's a scene where Yondu's mutinous crew throws every Ravager still loyal to him out the airlock and we get to watch every moment of freezing, suffocating death in the subzero vacuum of space. Oh, and there's a cavern full of child corpses. What was this about the MCU being targeted at children? What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. Can you not read? I clearly said in my last post that I'm not referring to 1 or 2 scenes sprinkled throughout the film, its the overall tone that the MCU has that appeals to children. Yeah you can throw in scenes like Peter Quills mother dying of cancer, that 1 scene doesn't automatically eliminate the problem. Simbas dad dies in Lion King infront of him, still a kids movie. The overall goofiness and light hearted approach to these movies dilutes down the serious stuff that happens and isnt remembered as strongly. It takes away the gravitas of emotion that the particular scene is trying to convey to the audience and replaces it with an excess of the polar opposite. Its a pretty effective trick actually. Look at X-Men First Class and GotG. Both kids watch their mother die in a tragic manner. Now compare the behaviour of each character and tone of each movie from that point on. First Class sticks to the atmosphere created in the opening scene wheras GotG departs far, far away with the excessive over the top goofiness, quips and jokes. It only returns to any form of sense in the last part where their holding the gem together when you suddenly remember, oh yeah Peters mum died in the opening scene. It's textbook thematic inconsistency and its not a one off, its in pretty much every MCU movie. Friggas death in Thor overpowered by Darcy and Selvigs goofiness in the 3rd act. Thor being made a mockery of taking the tube. Compare with Supermans father dies, yet the rest of Man Of Steel remains consistent. Civil war, Rhodey apparently gets crippled to the core and the reaction from Starks face showed the severity of that moment, many thought Rhodey died. Yet later in the film hes laughing and joking around reducing the impact of the initial scene where he gets injured. Betrays the actual title of the film! Age of ultron, Stark sees a vision of his dead Avengers (which is BS anyway). Is Stark affected by this? Nope he carries on with his old shtick of one liners and carefree approach to the own death robot he created. Same happens in Civil War. Doctor Strange has his hands deformed in a life changing incidence. Later is cracking jokes like Casper the ghost infront of Rachel McAdams and goofing around in a laughable interrogation scene with Kaecelluis. Its not that the heros shouldn't be joking or laughing, thats perfectly fine and X-Men get the balance and timing right. But MCU overmaximise it which reduces whatever negative thing they experienced, whether it be the death of their mother or serious injury, to a trivial thing as if it doesn't matter. Its poor screenwriting but the audiences and critics lap it up like sheep because it gives everyone in the cinema a laugh or 2. Just look at Age of Ultron and DofP final acts. Killer robots trying to destroy our heros, one set is cracking jokes the others are fighting with fear. You can't say MCU is not kid friendly in their approach.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 13:59:06 GMT
What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. Can you not read? I clearly said in my last post that I'm not referring to 1 or 2 scenes sprinkled throughout the film, its the overall tone that the MCU has that appeals to children. Yeah you can throw in scenes like Peter Quills mother dying of cancer, that 1 scene doesn't automatically eliminate the problem. Simbas dad dies in Lion King infront of him, still a kids movie. The overall goofiness and light hearted approach to these movies dilutes down the serious stuff that happens and isnt remembered as strongly. It takes away the gravitas of emotion that the particular scene is trying to convey to the audience and replaces it with an excess of the polar opposite. Its a pretty effective trick actually. Look at X-Men First Class and GotG. Both kids watch their mother die in a tragic manner. Now compare the behaviour of each character and tone of each movie from that point on. First Class sticks to the atmosphere created in the opening scene wheras GotG departs far, far away with the excessive over the top goofiness, quips and jokes. It only returns to any form of sense in the last part where their holding the gem together when you suddenly remember, oh yeah Peters mum died in the opening scene. It's textbook thematic inconsistency and its not a one off, its in pretty much every MCU movie. Friggas death in Thor overpowered by Darcy and Selvigs goofiness in the 3rd act. Thor being made a mockery of taking the tube. Compare with Supermans father dies, yet the rest of Man Of Steel remains consistent. Civil war, Rhodey apparently gets crippled to the core and the reaction from Starks face showed the severity of that moment, many thought Rhodey died. Yet later in the film hes laughing and joking around reducing the impact of the initial scene where he gets injured. Betrays the actual title of the film! Age of ultron, Stark sees a vision of his dead Avengers (which is BS anyway). Is Stark affected by this? Nope he carries on with his old shtick of one liners and carefree approach to the own death robot he created. Same happens in Civil War. Doctor Strange has his hands deformed in a life changing incidence. Later is cracking jokes like Casper the ghost infront of Rachel McAdams and goofing around in a laughable interrogation scene with Kaecelluis. Its not that the heros shouldn't be joking or laughing, thats perfectly fine and X-Men get the balance and timing right. But MCU overmaximise it which reduces whatever negative thing they experienced, whether it be the death of their mother or serious injury, to a trivial thing as if it doesn't matter. Just look at Age of Ultron and DofP final acts. Killer robots trying to destroy our heros, one set is cracking jokes the others are fighting with fear. You can't say MCU is not kid friendly in their approach. Man, I admire your effort (and word count), but there's no reasoning with these drooling dullards.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 14:02:15 GMT
^P.S. Why not go vote in one of my cool polls on the MCU boards instead? I posted several today.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 21, 2017 14:06:51 GMT
Humanity fears and hates us Charles. We should rule. Blah, blah, blah... Nice attempt but thats literally only the basis of 1 X-Men movie and thats First Class. Try again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 21, 2017 14:20:34 GMT
Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure. It's a little sad that the idea that audiences are finally realizing how awesome the rest of Marvel is instead of constantly falling back on the worn out characters like the X-Men can offend some people so much. I didn't even read your retarded response, because it's irrelevant: Or because you just can't stand that people actually enjoy the other Marvel characters instead of the worn-out ones like the X-Men. People like Iron Man and Thor and Cap now as much as the over-exposed characters, deal with it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 14:21:40 GMT
I didn't even read your retarded response, because it's irrelevant: Or because you just can't stand that people actually enjoy the other Marvel characters instead of the worn-out ones like the X-Men. People like Iron Man and Thor and Cap now as much as the over-exposed characters, deal with it. I will soon be your Supreme Chancellor. Deal with it, BJ.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 21, 2017 14:25:17 GMT
What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. Can you not read? I clearly said in my last post that I'm not referring to 1 or 2 scenes sprinkled throughout the film, its the overall tone that the MCU has that appeals to children. Yeah you can throw in scenes like Peter Quills mother dying of cancer, that 1 scene doesn't automatically eliminate the problem. Simbas dad dies in Lion King infront of him, still a kids movie. The overall goofiness and light hearted approach to these movies dilutes down the serious stuff that happens and isnt remembered as strongly. It takes away the gravitas of emotion that the particular scene is trying to convey to the audience and replaces it with an excess of the polar opposite. Its a pretty effective trick actually. Look at X-Men First Class and GotG. Both kids watch their mother die in a tragic manner. Now compare the behaviour of each character and tone of each movie from that point on. First Class sticks to the atmosphere created in the opening scene wheras GotG departs far, far away with the excessive over the top goofiness, quips and jokes. It only returns to any form of sense in the last part where their holding the gem together when you suddenly remember, oh yeah Peters mum died in the opening scene. It's textbook thematic inconsistency and its not a one off, its in pretty much every MCU movie. Friggas death in Thor overpowered by Darcy and Selvigs goofiness in the 3rd act. Thor being made a mockery of taking the tube. Compare with Supermans father dies, yet the rest of Man Of Steel remains consistent. Civil war, Rhodey apparently gets crippled to the core and the reaction from Starks face showed the severity of that moment, many thought Rhodey died. Yet later in the film hes laughing and joking around reducing the impact of the initial scene where he gets injured. Betrays the actual title of the film! Age of ultron, Stark sees a vision of his dead Avengers (which is BS anyway). Is Stark affected by this? Nope he carries on with his old shtick of one liners and carefree approach to the own death robot he created. Same happens in Civil War. Doctor Strange has his hands deformed in a life changing incidence. Later is cracking jokes like Casper the ghost infront of Rachel McAdams and goofing around in a laughable interrogation scene with Kaecelluis. Its not that the heros shouldn't be joking or laughing, thats perfectly fine and X-Men get the balance and timing right. But MCU overmaximise it which reduces whatever negative thing they experienced, whether it be the death of their mother or serious injury, to a trivial thing as if it doesn't matter. Its poor screenwriting but the audiences and critics lap it up like sheep because it gives everyone in the cinema a laugh or 2. Just look at Age of Ultron and DofP final acts. Killer robots trying to destroy our heros, one set is cracking jokes the others are fighting with fear. You can't say MCU is not kid friendly in their approach. Yes, X-men goes for manipulative BS like exploiting the Holocaust to make it seem "deep" when it's not. Yes, First Class is high on its self-importance while GOTG embraces the over-the-top nature of the Universe it inhabits while still maintaining the characters' tragic backstories. Only difference is they don't obsess over it and try to live their lives despite their pain. Same with MOS, it basically thinks you can only feel one emotion at a time while Thor remembers the variety of feelings a person can feel. You can go from laughing to crying and back when suffering the loss of a loved one. Civil War, Rhodey REFUSES to let his disability ruin his life. He refuses to let it define him. That's good. Yes, everything Tony does in AOU is due to that vision. He's just not the sort to let ONE feeling take over his mind. Dr Strange, likewise, refuses to let his tragedy define him. Yeah, in AOU the heroes aren't as incompetent as the X-Men are and try to fight back while the X-men just let the Sentinels kill them.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 14:27:16 GMT
Can you not read? I clearly said in my last post that I'm not referring to 1 or 2 scenes sprinkled throughout the film, its the overall tone that the MCU has that appeals to children. Yeah you can throw in scenes like Peter Quills mother dying of cancer, that 1 scene doesn't automatically eliminate the problem. Simbas dad dies in Lion King infront of him, still a kids movie. The overall goofiness and light hearted approach to these movies dilutes down the serious stuff that happens and isnt remembered as strongly. It takes away the gravitas of emotion that the particular scene is trying to convey to the audience and replaces it with an excess of the polar opposite. Its a pretty effective trick actually. Look at X-Men First Class and GotG. Both kids watch their mother die in a tragic manner. Now compare the behaviour of each character and tone of each movie from that point on. First Class sticks to the atmosphere created in the opening scene wheras GotG departs far, far away with the excessive over the top goofiness, quips and jokes. It only returns to any form of sense in the last part where their holding the gem together when you suddenly remember, oh yeah Peters mum died in the opening scene. It's textbook thematic inconsistency and its not a one off, its in pretty much every MCU movie. Friggas death in Thor overpowered by Darcy and Selvigs goofiness in the 3rd act. Thor being made a mockery of taking the tube. Compare with Supermans father dies, yet the rest of Man Of Steel remains consistent. Civil war, Rhodey apparently gets crippled to the core and the reaction from Starks face showed the severity of that moment, many thought Rhodey died. Yet later in the film hes laughing and joking around reducing the impact of the initial scene where he gets injured. Betrays the actual title of the film! Age of ultron, Stark sees a vision of his dead Avengers (which is BS anyway). Is Stark affected by this? Nope he carries on with his old shtick of one liners and carefree approach to the own death robot he created. Same happens in Civil War. Doctor Strange has his hands deformed in a life changing incidence. Later is cracking jokes like Casper the ghost infront of Rachel McAdams and goofing around in a laughable interrogation scene with Kaecelluis. Its not that the heros shouldn't be joking or laughing, thats perfectly fine and X-Men get the balance and timing right. But MCU overmaximise it which reduces whatever negative thing they experienced, whether it be the death of their mother or serious injury, to a trivial thing as if it doesn't matter. Its poor screenwriting but the audiences and critics lap it up like sheep because it gives everyone in the cinema a laugh or 2. Just look at Age of Ultron and DofP final acts. Killer robots trying to destroy our heros, one set is cracking jokes the others are fighting with fear. You can't say MCU is not kid friendly in their approach. Yes, X-men goes for manipulative BS like exploiting the Holocaust to make it seem "deep" when it's not. Yes, First Class is high on its self-importance while GOTG embraces the over-the-top nature of the Universe it inhabits while still maintaining the characters' tragic backstories. Only difference is they don't obsess over it and try to live their lives despite their pain. Same with MOS, it basically thinks you can only feel one emotion at a time while Thor remembers the variety of feelings a person can feel. You can go from laughing to crying and back when suffering the loss of a loved one. Civil War, Rhodey REFUSES to let his disability ruin his life. He refuses to let it define him. That's good. Yes, everything Tony does in AOU is due to that vision. He's just not the sort to let ONE feeling take over his mind. Dr Strange, likewise, refuses to let his tragedy define him. Yeah, in AOU the heroes aren't as incompetent as the X-Men are and try to fight back while the X-men just let the Sentinels kill them. Blah, blah, blah. When I'm Supreme Chancellor you'll be sent to the spice mines of Kessel and smashed into who knows what!
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 21, 2017 16:41:58 GMT
Humanity fears and hates us Charles. We should rule. Blah, blah, blah... Nice attempt but thats literally only the basis of 1 X-Men movie and thats First Class. Try again. Okay, almost every X-Men movie has the "sophisrication" of a really bad mass market YA novel. How's that for a second spin of the wheel? Just joking, my friend. Would love to get on your gameshow and win fabulous prizes and what not but, my time is like, tick, tick, tick, tick... Maybe you can invite another contestant?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 21, 2017 17:10:00 GMT
Nice attempt but thats literally only the basis of 1 X-Men movie and thats First Class. Try again. Okay, almost every X-Men movie has the "sophisrication" of a really bad mass market YA novel. How's that for a second spin of the wheel? Just joking, my friend. Would love to get on your games how and win fabulous prizes and what not but, my time is like, tick, tick, tick, tick... Maybe you can invite another contestant? What are you doing screwing around in this thread?! I need your support in my campaign for Supreme Chancellor!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 17:17:28 GMT
Humanity fears and hates us Charles. We should rule. Blah, blah, blah... Nice attempt but thats literally only the basis of 1 X-Men movie and thats First Class. Try again. Nope its all of them. Maybe you havent watched beyond the obvious. Problem that occurrs more with children.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 4:48:56 GMT
What about the opening scene of the first Guardians of the Galaxy when Peter has to witness his mother dying from terminal illness? Or that bit in Age of Ultron where Stark has a vision of all of his teammates dead in a cave? Or even the car crash scene in Doctor Strange and Stephen trying everything he can to heal his hands so he can get back to doing surgery and that bit where he rejects Palmer's help? Oh yeah, not kiddie. But morons like Charzhino ignore scenes like this and continue to bash the MCU saying that it's for kids. Hope that Charzhino continues to enjoy living with that delusion that he thinks is true. Can you not read? I clearly said in my last post that I'm not referring to 1 or 2 scenes sprinkled throughout the film, its the overall tone that the MCU has that appeals to children. Yeah you can throw in scenes like Peter Quills mother dying of cancer, that 1 scene doesn't automatically eliminate the problem. Simbas dad dies in Lion King infront of him, still a kids movie. The overall goofiness and light hearted approach to these movies dilutes down the serious stuff that happens and isnt remembered as strongly. It takes away the gravitas of emotion that the particular scene is trying to convey to the audience and replaces it with an excess of the polar opposite. Its a pretty effective trick actually. Look at X-Men First Class and GotG. Both kids watch their mother die in a tragic manner. Now compare the behaviour of each character and tone of each movie from that point on. First Class sticks to the atmosphere created in the opening scene wheras GotG departs far, far away with the excessive over the top goofiness, quips and jokes. It only returns to any form of sense in the last part where their holding the gem together when you suddenly remember, oh yeah Peters mum died in the opening scene. It's textbook thematic inconsistency and its not a one off, its in pretty much every MCU movie. Friggas death in Thor overpowered by Darcy and Selvigs goofiness in the 3rd act. Thor being made a mockery of taking the tube. Compare with Supermans father dies, yet the rest of Man Of Steel remains consistent. Civil war, Rhodey apparently gets crippled to the core and the reaction from Starks face showed the severity of that moment, many thought Rhodey died. Yet later in the film hes laughing and joking around reducing the impact of the initial scene where he gets injured. Betrays the actual title of the film! Age of ultron, Stark sees a vision of his dead Avengers (which is BS anyway). Is Stark affected by this? Nope he carries on with his old shtick of one liners and carefree approach to the own death robot he created. Same happens in Civil War. Doctor Strange has his hands deformed in a life changing incidence. Later is cracking jokes like Casper the ghost infront of Rachel McAdams and goofing around in a laughable interrogation scene with Kaecelluis. Its not that the heros shouldn't be joking or laughing, thats perfectly fine and X-Men get the balance and timing right. But MCU overmaximise it which reduces whatever negative thing they experienced, whether it be the death of their mother or serious injury, to a trivial thing as if it doesn't matter. Its poor screenwriting but the audiences and critics lap it up like sheep because it gives everyone in the cinema a laugh or 2. Just look at Age of Ultron and DofP final acts. Killer robots trying to destroy our heros, one set is cracking jokes the others are fighting with fear. You can't say MCU is not kid friendly in their approach. ...Literally every word you've typed here is dumber than the last. Actually, yes, I can say the MCU isn't kid friendly in their approach. They just don't obsess over being Edgelords to entertain children like you. Also, the part I put in bold and underlined is the part where you lose all credibility for making very big assumptions about millions of people across the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 4:53:41 GMT
Sophisticated isn't a word I would use in a sentence with the title of any comic book movie. That said, do you. It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. Literally everything you just said is completely incorrect. 1. The MCU characters have A-list level of nuance compared to anything in the Fox-Men films. 2. The multi Macguffins are only sought out in 5 of the films so far. The other 10 are all about completely different things ranging from corporate intrigue, political thriller, heist films, space operas, and more. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 22, 2017 10:11:35 GMT
It's a relative term. Compared to B- and C-list superheros with D-list levels of nuance doing mundane things and looking for a macguffin for fifteen movies, the X-Men movies are fucking elegant pieces of cinema. Literally everything you just said is completely incorrect. 1. The MCU characters have A-list level of nuance compared to anything in the Fox-Men films. 2. The multi Macguffins are only sought out in 5 of the films so far. The other 10 are all about completely different things ranging from corporate intrigue, political thriller, heist films, space operas, and more. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's no nuance in the MCU. Everything is of face value. 2. There are way more than 5 films which feature MacGuffins. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of one again. 3. The best X-Men films are better than the best of MCU
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 10:35:07 GMT
Literally everything you just said is completely incorrect. 1. The MCU characters have A-list level of nuance compared to anything in the Fox-Men films. 2. The multi Macguffins are only sought out in 5 of the films so far. The other 10 are all about completely different things ranging from corporate intrigue, political thriller, heist films, space operas, and more. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's no nuance in the MCU. Everything is of face value. 2. There are way more than 5 films which feature MacGuffins. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of one again. 3. The best X-Men films are better than the best of MCU You're right. Its six Captain America The First Avenger The Avengers Thor The Dark World Guardians 1 Avengers Age of Ultron Doctor Strange Wow thats way more man. And you seem to think your taste is an absolute truth. Newsflash: it isnt.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 22, 2017 10:57:28 GMT
Literally everything you just said is completely incorrect. 1. The MCU characters have A-list level of nuance compared to anything in the Fox-Men films. 2. The multi Macguffins are only sought out in 5 of the films so far. The other 10 are all about completely different things ranging from corporate intrigue, political thriller, heist films, space operas, and more. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's no nuance in the MCU. Everything is of face value. 2. There are way more than 5 films which feature MacGuffins. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of one again. 3. The best X-Men films are better than the best of MCU The MCU movies had the balls to state not every German in WWII was a Baby-Eating Nazi, something the X-Men movies have never had the courage to do. The X-Movies have Macguffins just as much as the MCU. No, they appeal to the people ashamed of comics, but that's the extent of their "greatness". Other than that, they're stuck in the past.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 22, 2017 12:03:57 GMT
You're right. Its six Captain America The First Avenger The Avengers Thor The Dark World Guardians 1 Avengers Age of Ultron Doctor Strange Wow thats way more man. And you seem to think your taste is an absolute truth. Newsflash: it isnt. You realise human character's can be MacGuffins too. Bucky is such one in both Winter Soldier and Civil War.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 22, 2017 12:10:47 GMT
The MCU movies had the balls to state not every German in WWII was a Baby-Eating Nazi, something the X-Men movies have never had the courage to do. Because the script didnt allow it in the X-Men. Kevin Bacon is an evil german scientist, not a good one in TFA. Nothing about having balls.
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