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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 22, 2017 13:33:32 GMT
The MCU movies had the balls to state not every German in WWII was a Baby-Eating Nazi, something the X-Men movies have never had the courage to do. Because the script didnt allow it in the X-Men. Utter BS, there were plenty of ways to how not ever German was a Nazi in FC. They just don't choose to because they're afraid of the mutants not coming off as 100% sympathetic.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 22, 2017 14:10:39 GMT
Because the script didnt allow it in the X-Men. Utter BS, there were plenty of ways to how not ever German was a Nazi in FC. They just don't choose to because they're afraid of the mutants not coming off as 100% sympathetic. So basically you're a Nazi?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 22, 2017 14:27:30 GMT
Utter BS, there were plenty of ways to how not ever German was a Nazi in FC. They just don't choose to because they're afraid of the mutants not coming off as 100% sympathetic. So basically you're a Nazi? No.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 22, 2017 14:39:01 GMT
So basically you're a Nazi? No. Oh. ... ... But you should've been a blow job, innit?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 22, 2017 14:51:57 GMT
What's wrong with macguffins? Some of the greatest movies ever made were driven by macguffins. Rosebud was a macguffin, the lost ark was another, the maltese falcon was another macguffin.
The fact that a movie has a macguffin does not constitute a criticism.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 22, 2017 15:03:50 GMT
Because the script didnt allow it in the X-Men. Utter BS, there were plenty of ways to how not ever German was a Nazi in FC. They just don't choose to because they're afraid of the mutants not coming off as 100% sympathetic. Showing some Germans weren't Nazis is pointless if it doesn't serve the plot. In TFA, Dr Erskin has a logical reason to be in the story and be of German descent. It was to show the audience that Cap, who was desperate to join the army, wasnt doing it on racist motivations. Erskins nationality was also used to link him with Hydra and Schmidt to relay exposition about his super serum experiments. So dont pretend the MCU is being all SJW and purposefully chose to represent Erskin as a German for the sole reason to give balance of views. In FC, Magneto isn't fighting in world war 2 or wanting to stop Hitler. His focus is on taking down Sebastian Shaw. I dont see the need to throw in forcefully your idea of showing German neutrality. Magneto is hunting a German hired Nazi doctor, not the entire German military like Cap is. And besides, Xavier does provide some balance at the end when he says to Erik that the guys wanting to bomb the beach are good innocent men, just following orders like the Nazis, implying not every action committed by a soldier with a flag on his crest is representative of an entire nation. That has the same nuance as Erskin telling Rogers that people forget the 1st country the Nazis invaded was their own.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 22, 2017 15:57:11 GMT
Utter BS, there were plenty of ways to how not ever German was a Nazi in FC. They just don't choose to because they're afraid of the mutants not coming off as 100% sympathetic. Showing some Germans weren't Nazis is pointless if it doesn't serve the plot. In TFA, Dr Erskin has a logical reason to be in the story and be of German descent. It was to show the audience that Cap, who was desperate to join the army, wasnt doing it on racist motivations. Erskins nationality was also used to link him with Hydra and Schmidt to relay exposition about his super serum experiments. So dont pretend the MCU is being all SJW and purposefully chose to represent Erskin as a German for the sole reason to give balance of views. In FC, Magneto isn't fighting in world war 2 or wanting to stop Hitler. His focus is on taking down Sebastian Shaw. I dont see the need to throw in forcefully your idea of showing German neutrality. Magneto is hunting a German hired Nazi doctor, not the entire German military like Cap is. And besides, Xavier does provide some balance at the end when he says to Erik that the guys wanting to bomb the beach are good innocent men, just following orders like the Nazis, implying not every action committed by a soldier with a flag on his crest is representative of an entire nation. That has the same nuance as Erskin telling Rogers that people forget the 1st country the Nazis invaded was their own. MCU still bothered reminding people not ever German was a Nazi, which is more than X-Men does. Show us something like Magneto hunting down what he thought was a Nazi, turns out he was an innocent man Magneto killed just because he was German and thought he was a Nazi. Gives him some inner reflection where he wonders how extreme he's becoming. No, that's nothing. If anything that was to draw a parallel between the Americans and Nazis so Magneto would be justified in killing them.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 22, 2017 16:22:17 GMT
Show us something like Magneto hunting down what he thought was a Nazi, turns out he was an innocent man Magneto killed just because he was German and thought he was a Nazi. Gives him some inner reflection where he wonders how extreme he's becoming. No, that's nothing. If anything that was to draw a parallel between the Americans and Nazis so Magneto would be justified in killing them. Erskin is German because its needed for the plot, simple as that. Magneto doesn't go on a killing spree for no reason. And why does there need to be a scenario you described? Hes not supposed to be a hero, hes a conflicted character unlike Cap and Charles constantly throughout the film is advising him that killing his enemies will not bring him peace, what more do you want. He ultimately ignores him because thats his true nature. Its not like in Ironman 1 they forcefully show that every muslim isnt a terrorist. Its common sense.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 22, 2017 16:29:58 GMT
Show us something like Magneto hunting down what he thought was a Nazi, turns out he was an innocent man Magneto killed just because he was German and thought he was a Nazi. Gives him some inner reflection where he wonders how extreme he's becoming. No, that's nothing. If anything that was to draw a parallel between the Americans and Nazis so Magneto would be justified in killing them. Erskin is German because its needed for the plot, simple as that. Magneto doesn't go on a killing spree for no reason. And why does there need to be a scenario you described? Hes not supposed to be a hero, hes a conflicted character and Charles constantly throughout the film is advising him that killing his enemies will not bring him peace, what more do you want. He ultimately ignores him because thats his true nature. Its not like in Ironman 1 they forcefully show that every muslim isnt a terrorist. Its common sense. No, it's also because they decided to be faithful to the comics and also remind people that not every German was a bad guy in WWII. Why have Magneto do that? To show it's not as black and white as the movie treated it as. It DOES portray him as a hero for killing Nazis, so having that backfire and show he killed an innocent man due to his prejudices shows even that isn't black and white. Instead of how the movie keeps making him out to be some victim.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
Literally everything you just said is completely incorrect. 1. The MCU characters have A-list level of nuance compared to anything in the Fox-Men films. 2. The multi Macguffins are only sought out in 5 of the films so far. The other 10 are all about completely different things ranging from corporate intrigue, political thriller, heist films, space operas, and more. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's no nuance in the MCU. Everything is of face value. 2. There are way more than 5 films which feature MacGuffins. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of one again. 3. The best X-Men films are better than the best of MCU 1. Prove it. 2. If you were paying any sort of attention, you'd have noticed the exact language colden and I used was "featuring the search for a macguffin." THE. SEARCH. And actually, I was wrong. There are only four. One less than I thought. The Avengers, Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers: Age of Ultron. There is an Infinity Stone in Doctor Strange, but the film isn't based around the search for it. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 22, 2017 22:39:19 GMT
1. There's no nuance in the MCU. Everything is of face value. 2. There are way more than 5 films which feature MacGuffins. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of one again. 3. The best X-Men films are better than the best of MCU 1. Prove it. 2. If you were paying any sort of attention, you'd have noticed the exact language colden and I used was "featuring the search for a macguffin." THE. SEARCH. And actually, I was wrong. There are only four. One less than I thought. The Avengers, Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers: Age of Ultron. There is an Infinity Stone in Doctor Strange, but the film isn't based around the search for it. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's nuance in both. I was just purposely being a dickhead about it to tease you guys and spark some good debate, but I do think the X-Men narrative premise (in any medium) is an intrinsically more nuanced or sophisticated story than the JLA/Avengers conceit of "superhero team doing superhero stuff." 2. I was referring less to individual installments and more to the overarching narrative of the MCU (gemstones, Thanos) regardless of the degree to which each chapter emphasizes the "A" story if at all. Prolly should've clarified that, and like that Taylor dude said not only is the use of the macguffin not necessarily bad, from that vantage point you could argue that a twenty-six hour search for a macguffin is a damn impressive achievement -- or, if you don't enjoy the ride, a colossal waste of time. Two sides to it, really. 3. Subjective art form. My personal opinion is that the best MCU movie I've ever seen, The Avengers, is right there with the best X-Men movies I've seen (personal favorites are FC and X2), but that on balance I've enjoyed the X-films much more over the long haul. For me every Phase One movie, for instance, that wasn't about Tony Stark was REALLY forgettable sort of paint-by-numbers stuff (Cap and Thor in particular, but also TIH) from which I literally can't recall a single memorable scene, and I would put those for instance above the first two crappy attempts at a solo Wolverine movie but way below basically anything else X-wise. I think if I sat down and scored them all the X-movies would be significantly higher on average for me in terms of overall fan experience, but hey -- that's just me. Your proverbial mileage may (check that: will undoubtedly) vary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 22:46:35 GMT
1. Prove it. 2. If you were paying any sort of attention, you'd have noticed the exact language colden and I used was "featuring the search for a macguffin." THE. SEARCH. And actually, I was wrong. There are only four. One less than I thought. The Avengers, Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Avengers: Age of Ultron. There is an Infinity Stone in Doctor Strange, but the film isn't based around the search for it. 3. The X-Men films are garbage compared to the MCU. 1. There's nuance in both. I was just purposely being a dickhead about it to tease you guys and spark some good debate, but I do think the X-Men narrative premise (in any medium) is an intrinsically more nuanced or sophisticated story than the JLA/Avengers conceit of "superhero team doing superhero stuff." 2. I was referring less to individual installments and more to the overarching narrative of the MCU (gemstones, Thanos) regardless of the degree to which each chapter emphasizes the "A" story if at all. Prolly should've clarified that, and like that Taylor dude said not only is the use of the macguffin not necessarily bad, from that vantage point you could argue that a twenty-six hour search for a macguffin is a damn impressive achievement -- or, if you don't enjoy the ride, a colossal waste of time. Two sides to it, really. 3. Subjective art form. My personal opinion is that the best MCU movie I've ever seen, The Avengers, is right there with the best X-Men movies I've seen (personal favorites are FC and X2), but that on balance I've enjoyed the X-films much more over the long haul. For me every Phase One movie, for instance, that wasn't about Tony Stark was REALLY forgettable sort of paint-by-numbers stuff (Cap and Thor in particular, but also TIH) from which I literally can't recall a single memorable scene, and I would put those for instance above the first two crappy attempts at a solo Wolverine movie but way below basically anything else X-wise. I think if I sat down and scored them all the X-movies would be significantly higher on average for me in terms of overall fan experience, but hey -- that's just me. Your proverbial mileage may (check that: will undoubtedly) vary. 1. I am literally seeing NO nuance in the X-Men films. It's all pretty on the nose "Normal people bad; minorities good" stuff. And I'm not saying that to be contrarian. I didn't think these were deep movies even back when I still liked them. Honestly, I'll take the 90s animated series over the films. 2. Except the MCU isn't a waste of time if you don't care for the Infinity Stones. There is a lot of other material to enjoy and many films in the series don't partake in it. 3. Again, I can't see it. I've tried to watch the X-Men films and can't see what anyone sees in them anymore. Everything in the Fox-men films is just looks the same. And everyone who isn't Xavier, Logan, or Magneto never gets any real development and they still haven't gotten Scott Summers right once. Not once.
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Post by Marv on Jun 26, 2017 23:48:41 GMT
Hes more right than wrong, but i don't agree with his reasoning on wonder woman. WW is very cookie cutter for the type of movie Marvel tends to make. And...they didn't destroy cities? Remember that toxic gas that killed everyone in that one city? Does that not count? how about all the buildings WW crashed through in order to punch one guy at a time? Does that not count as destroying a city? That part makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 1:55:05 GMT
Hes more right than wrong, but i don't agree with his reasoning on wonder woman. WW is very cookie cutter for the type of movie Marvel tends to make. And...they didn't destroy cities? Remember that toxic gas that killed everyone in that one city? Does that not count? how about all the buildings WW crashed through in order to punch one guy at a time? Does that not count as destroying a city? That part makes no sense. No, he's completely wrong. Of course, you are the same monster who thinks a man who was tortured until he could be broken and turned into a mindless assassins deserves to be killed instead of rehabilitated. Your opinion counts for nothing.
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Post by Marv on Jun 27, 2017 2:31:36 GMT
Hes more right than wrong, but i don't agree with his reasoning on wonder woman. WW is very cookie cutter for the type of movie Marvel tends to make. And...they didn't destroy cities? Remember that toxic gas that killed everyone in that one city? Does that not count? how about all the buildings WW crashed through in order to punch one guy at a time? Does that not count as destroying a city? That part makes no sense. No, he's completely wrong. Of course, you are the same monster who thinks a man who was tortured until he could be broken and turned into a mindless assassins deserves to be killed instead of rehabilitated. Your opinion counts for nothing. Lol. Why don't you cry about it some more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:11:28 GMT
No, he's completely wrong. Of course, you are the same monster who thinks a man who was tortured until he could be broken and turned into a mindless assassins deserves to be killed instead of rehabilitated. Your opinion counts for nothing. Lol. Why don't you cry about it some more. Keep showing your privilege. The fact you're so callous about Barnes' plight, even if he is a fictional character, really shows just how easy you've had it in life. I look forward to the day one of YOUR relatives becomes mentally ill. Suddenly, it won't be so funny to say that a mental invalid deserves the chair for actions they can't be held accountable for. So keep looking down on people who suffer from some kind of mental sickness. Karma will make you its bitch soon enough.
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Post by Marv on Jun 27, 2017 9:30:02 GMT
Lol. Why don't you cry about it some more. Keep showing your privilege. The fact you're so callous about Barnes' plight, even if he is a fictional character, really shows just how easy you've had it in life. I look forward to the day one of YOUR relatives becomes mentally ill. Suddenly, it won't be so funny to say that a mental invalid deserves the chair for actions they can't be held accountable for. So keep looking down on people who suffer from some kind of mental sickness. Karma will make you its bitch soon enough. LOL!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 29, 2017 3:23:23 GMT
Any discerning movie fan would agree. Wall Street Disney makes cookie cutter films. But he may also be doing some PR for friends in Warner Bros.
Not really a fan of the Nolan films but they feel less manufactured than the Marvel ones.
The FX scenes ARE interchangeable. It takes a special kind of corporate incompetence to have floating cities or a Hulk vs Iron Man fight and make it completely forgettable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:25:54 GMT
Any discerning movie fan would agree. Wall Street Disney makes cookie cutter films. But he may also be doing some PR for friends in Warner Bros. Not really a fan of the Nolan films but they feel less manufactured than the Marvel ones. The FX scenes ARE interchangeable. It takes a special kind of corporate incompetence to have floating cities or a Hulk vs Iron Man fight and make it completely forgettable. To you. Your opinion. And than you are so arrogant to tell people that if they like Marvel they are not people of taste. Actually that is quite tasteless and makes you a very arrogant human being. I dont think any person who likes Marvel claim its a high form of art. These are very entertaining popculture movies. Nothing wrong with that. So why you feel the need to trash them and its fans is beyond me and says a lot about you. Not so much about those people.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 29, 2017 5:34:36 GMT
I didnt trash them, Landis did.
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