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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 17:10:07 GMT
That's... not a terribly complimentary comment on your ability to process multiple issues. It's like saying "bitching about trash on the side of the road undercuts more important issues like oil spills and chemical leaks into the water table." They're all part of the same issue. Thinking individuals can address both. Yes, because secular liberals show time and time again that they do not care at all about the real important issues of the day. Every single day media is bombarded with LGBT concerns in the west, yet in comparison extremely little is said about sex trafficking, genocide of religious minorities in the Middle East, even the Chechnya killings of gays barely got a day or two of mentions. It would be like bitching about "trash on the side of the road" and barely giving a second thought to oil spills and chemical leaks. It completely exposes the entire fake liberal mindset in my opinion. It has nothing to do with real human rights and real issues. It is all about "winning the cultural wars" and shoving it in the face of anyone who disagrees. Playground antics that make the world worse, not better. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 15, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
Gay marriage is legal both in the U.K. Apart from Northern Ireland of course. Not that Farron could be blamed for that to be fair. I don't really think there was a witch hunt though. There were calls for him to resign when his views came out but his party stood by him. And heck May and Corbyn get calls for their resignations everytime they brush their teeth. I think Farron was just under pressure to resign because he didn't exactly do a stellar job as leader. If part of that was due to people not liking his views on homosexuality then maybe he is not a good fit for a pro-lgbt party. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. And yet your definition of intolerance against christians includes people saying mean things about politicians. Which is a pretty stunning level of hypocrisy on your part. |
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 15, 2017 17:25:01 GMT
Was there really a witch hunt? He was asked to clarify his views on homosexuality. He did and some people chose not to vote for his party on that basis. Yes it was. He was asked repeatedly on public television to clarify his views, and despite doing his best to declare his passion as a Liberal Democrat about equality and equal LGTB rights and pointing out (correctly) that he was not obliged to make theological announcements, it clearly wasn't enough. He ended up being vilified on social media with various celebs crawling out of the woodwork to call him a fundamentalist Christian homophobe, intolerant, prejudiced, etc. And the guy didn't even say anything! I don't think the reaction could have been much different even if he said that homosexuality was deeply sinful and all gay people were going to burn in hell for eternity. And it was pretty obvious, I thought, that he doesn't think that.
If that's not a witch hunt, then what is?
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 17:36:09 GMT
You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. And yet your definition of intolerance against christians includes people saying mean things about politicians. Which is a pretty stunning level of hypocrisy on your part. "My definition" ? This thread is about a leading U.K. politician, a liberal as much as a liberal can be, resigning leadership because of the constant attacks on his faith, which echoes the treatment of Christians, conservative, liberal or otherwise, in the U.K. and much of Western Europe. If that counts just as "people saying mean things" to you, then you lack any and all reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 17:36:10 GMT
If that's not a witch hunt, then what is?
Well, there are the kinds that end with people being set on fire by those whose beliefs are not that different to Farrons. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 15, 2017 17:36:38 GMT
Case in point. Now call it a "lynching" and your transformation shall be complete...
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 15, 2017 17:39:06 GMT
Dude it's re-iterated several times in scripture. Stop. It's a common trope on SB sites as well as in sermons.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 15, 2017 17:41:03 GMT
 You nailed it, man. US libs moaned about the cake issue yet you never hear a peep about Chechnya.  Go with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 17:47:54 GMT
And yet your definition of intolerance against christians includes people saying mean things about politicians. Which is a pretty stunning level of hypocrisy on your part. "My definition" ? This thread is about a leading U.K. politician, a liberal as much as a liberal can be, resigning leadership because of the constant attacks on his faith, which echoes the treatment of Christians, conservative, liberal or otherwise, in the U.K. and much of Western Europe. If that counts just as "people saying mean things" to you, then you lack any and all reason. Then please state one thing anybody did to him that did not consist of simply stating an opinion of him. For gays you stated that "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." Did anybody try to jail Farron? No. You dismissed "wedding cake messages" as "total bullcrap". Did anybody even so much as decline Farron service in a shop? No. All they did was condemn him. You know... exactly like he condemns them, only they didn't lie about it like he did. You're a guy who dismisses real bigotry as unimportant unless it involves prison or worse... but when somebody so much as speaks out against something YOU believe in, that's discrimination at a "fever pitch". Hypocrite. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 17:49:35 GMT
tpfkar You just like to spout in-censed non-sense.  Your opinion is pure shyte based off of aggrievement and high hypocrisy. And pure silly.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 15, 2017 17:55:58 GMT
Was there really a witch hunt? He was asked to clarify his views on homosexuality. He did and some people chose not to vote for his party on that basis. Yes it was. He was asked repeatedly on public television to clarify his views, and despite doing his best to declare his passion as a Liberal Democrat about equality and equal LGTB rights and pointing out (correctly) that he was not obliged to make theological announcements, it clearly wasn't enough. He ended up being vilified on social media with various celebs crawling out of the woodwork to call him a fundamentalist Christian homophobe, intolerant, prejudiced, etc. And the guy didn't even say anything! I don't think the reaction could have been much different even if he said that homosexuality was deeply sinful and all gay people were going to burn in hell for eternity. And it was pretty obvious, I thought, that he doesn't think that.
If that's not a witch hunt, then what is?
Isn't that just politics though? If people have a position they're trying to hide the media tries to force it out of them. If people don't like that position, they vilify that politician for it. Again May and Corbyn hardly had an easier time of things in that regard. The idea that this is something that would only be done to Christianity-based views just doesn't add up. For the record, I think Farron has no problem with lgbt rights and he was subject to some hysterical condemnation. But the idea that this is some anti-Christian witch hunt rather than the usual mud-slinging just doesn't ring true to me. I really don't think he'd be resigning now had his party done better in the election regardless of how many people were accusing him of being a homophobe. |
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 15, 2017 20:15:14 GMT
Isn't that just politics though? If people have a position they're trying to hide the media tries to force it out of them. If people don't like that position, they vilify that politician for it. Again May and Corbyn hardly had an easier time of things in that regard. The idea that this is something that would only be done to Christianity-based views just doesn't add up. Possibly, although usually the position the media attempts to force people to reveal is usually related to some position they have adopted in the past, or something relevant to their political outlook (rather than their theological one) or some situation where they might be accused of being hypocritical or self-interested. For example, if somebody asked Theresa May a propos of nothing much at all: "How often do you masturbate?" three times during a news program interview and she refused to give a straight answer, should she later get panned by the social media and vilified for being sexually repressed or something equally ridiculous? Feel free to shoot that down as a bad analogy, but that's how I perceive the Farron situation. By the way, don't get me wrong: my concerns are not so much about targeted persecution against Christians - I've no doubt Christians are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and giving as good as they get - but that we appear to be living in a deeply intolerant new society where any percieved deviation from the new orthodoxy is to be outed and condemned at every opportunity and the inquisitorial mindset is still alive and kicking. Do you think I'm being melodramatic? Take a long hard look at a lot of the posts on this thread and tell me you're not just a little bit concerned! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 20:33:27 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found. Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world. To someone like you that's no big deal. You consider 'Islamophobia' to be more of a concern. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
tpfkar You guys are always trying to shut down the debate with cries of "Christian persecution!" 
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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2017 20:45:58 GMT
tpfkar You guys are always trying to shut down the debate with cries of "Christian persecution!"
Women shouldn't be presidents, prime ministers or chancellors.Link? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 20:51:11 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found. Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world. Perhaps. But not in the UK. And certainly not in America. In the UK, and in America, islamophobia is a bigger problem. But not, to many people, a bigger concern, since like innsmouth many people only care about bigotry if it's directed at them and theirs. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 20:52:00 GMT
tpfkar  It was a mock, Einsusurrate.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 15, 2017 20:57:57 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found. Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world. To someone like you that's no big deal. You consider 'Islamophobia' to be more of a concern. Can you evidence that claim? |
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 15, 2017 21:00:34 GMT
. . .but that we appear to be living in a deeply intolerant new society where any percieved deviation from the new orthodoxy is to be outed and condemned at every opportunity and the inquisitorial mindset is still alive and kicking. Good. Bigots should never be allowed to feel comfortable or safe in expressing their bigotry. They should be put on notice at every opportunity, and every attempt they make to hide behind the shield of their idiotic religious beliefs should be met with scorn, mockery, and derision. |
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