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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 14:12:33 GMT
After a witch hunt against his Christian beliefs, Tim Farron has resigned as head of the Liberal Democrats, saying: "The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader. "A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment. "To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible's teaching, has felt impossible for me." news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-resigns-as-leader-of-liberal-democrats-10915873The intolerance and hostility toward Christians has well and truly hit fever pitch in Western Europe. Terms such as "liberal" and "progressive" have been completely hijacked and stripped of their original meaning, which was about the fight for human rights, and instead now serve as a litmus test on whether and now much you are engaged in pro-LGBT issues. In their original meaning, no one should be as liberal and as progressive as Christians, because that is what the faith is all about. Jesus walked with the poor, the sick, the outcasts. But, it seems they are no longer "allowed in the club," because the common fight for human rights and actually important civil rights (rather than which shop you get your damn wedding cake) has been kicked to the curb by liberal secularists, who only care about one and only thing, which is how much you toll the line on LGBT issues. The hilarious and hypocritical beyond all imagination thing is that secular liberals still think they are the ones who "celebrate diversity." It would be like banning all subjects at school with the exception of math, and championing yourself as a defender of diversity because you think of all math numbers as equal. |
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 15, 2017 14:50:14 GMT
I imagine the fact that his aspiration for the Lib Dems to become the main opposition party was pretty much dashed in the election (they won 12 seats rather than 8 - woop woop) played quite a part in his resignation too.
The Lib Dems don't really have anything going for them. No-one trusts them to protect public services anymore since the Cameron-Clegg coalition. They've lost the liberal vote by having a leader who thinks homosexuality as a sin, yet those Christians who agree with this probably got annoyed with his apologetic stance about it. Their promise to overturn Brexit was seen as undemocratic by some, unrealistic by others - certainly not enough bought into it for this massive reversal of fortune Farron said he expected. They're just a complete nothing of a party.
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Post by general313 on Jun 15, 2017 14:53:30 GMT
Nice try, but it's all wrong. Discrimination is discrimination whether against blacks, women or gays. No hijacking of the word "liberal" has taken place.
Poor Christian snowflake, pleading intolerance from liberals because they won't let him practice his intolerance in peace.
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 15, 2017 15:23:08 GMT
He reminded me of some bullied kid in a school playground, being hounded by the in-crowd and their hangers on until he was forced to say what they wanted (which he eventually did in the end). And all of this simply because of what he was, despite the fact that he's never said anything bad or derogatory about homosexuals, as far as I know.
So, it was not the most edifying display of tolerance, was it. Welcome to the modern version of the Spanish Inquisition.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 15, 2017 15:28:48 GMT
Nice try, but it's all wrong. Discrimination is discrimination whether against blacks, women or gays. No hijacking of the word "liberal" has taken place. Poor Christian snowflake, pleading intolerance from liberals because they won't let him practice his intolerance in peace. This. Bigotry is bigotry. It needs to be attacked no matter what form it takes or who it is directed against. Christians don't get a free pass to be jerks just because the dumber ones think their religion wants them to be. |
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 15:33:19 GMT
Nice try, but it's all wrong. Discrimination is discrimination whether against blacks, women or gays. No hijacking of the word "liberal" has taken place. Poor Christian snowflake, pleading intolerance from liberals because they won't let him practice his intolerance in peace. You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 15, 2017 15:38:47 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 15, 2017 15:56:04 GMT
If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. At this point you've just become not only a complete jackass, but a morally illiterate buffoon to boot. This is what religion does to people: make them blind, stupid, and odious.. Discrimination is discrimination, and it needs to be fought no matter what form it takes. I can write a check to an international human rights agency (and have done so many times) to fight the level of discrimination against gays which threatens them with jail time and death at the hands of governments, and I can also write a check to local human rights agencies which help shape law in my own country to fight milder forms of discrimination. One does not preclude the other, and both are necessary. That someone would have to hold your hand to explain such a simple fact just shows how little you care about reality and what is morally just. You just want to have a temper tantrum. You people aren't being persecuted. You just lost the culture wars. Grow up and deal with it and stop your pathetic whining. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 15, 2017 16:10:28 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found. Why would anyone ask for an opinion from a politician about gay sex?
What would his saying "Gay sex is icky" or "Gay sex is a sin" have to do with his ability to be a politician.
The notion that his opinion matters on that, whether an atheist likes to think it or not, is a clear sign of prejudice.
Just because Christians are BOSS does not mean discrimination can't impact them which is why it's always so stupid when religion haters pretend that it doesn't happen. If anything it's far stranger that the goidless hordes get hurt feelings when secular society is obviously based on their views.
In any event, tolerance or intolerance is not based on numbers.
Still he can always join a more tolerant group I guess.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 15, 2017 16:12:37 GMT
After a witch hunt against his Christian beliefs, Tim Farron has resigned as head of the Liberal Democrats, saying: "The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader. "A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment. "To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible's teaching, has felt impossible for me." news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-resigns-as-leader-of-liberal-democrats-10915873The intolerance and hostility toward Christians has well and truly hit fever pitch in Western Europe. Terms such as "liberal" and "progressive" have been completely hijacked and stripped of their original meaning, which was about the fight for human rights, and instead now serve as a litmus test on whether and now much you are engaged in pro-LGBT issues. In their original meaning, no one should be as liberal and as progressive as Christians, because that is what the faith is all about. Jesus walked with the poor, the sick, the outcasts. But, it seems they are no longer "allowed in the club," because the common fight for human rights and actually important civil rights (rather than which shop you get your damn wedding cake) has been kicked to the curb by liberal secularists, who only care about one and only thing, which is how much you toll the line on LGBT issues. The hilarious and hypocritical beyond all imagination thing is that secular liberals still think they are the ones who "celebrate diversity." It would be like banning all subjects at school with the exception of math, and championing yourself as a defender of diversity because you think of all math numbers as equal. Who gives a fuck about a loser who was a member of a bunch of other losers?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 16:20:45 GMT
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 15, 2017 16:21:25 GMT
I often wonder if it's the "if they hate us, we're doing it right" Biblical mindset that leads to the too-common instance of Christians adopting a persecuted tone in relatively mild climes.
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Post by general313 on Jun 15, 2017 16:29:39 GMT
Nice try, but it's all wrong. Discrimination is discrimination whether against blacks, women or gays. No hijacking of the word "liberal" has taken place. Poor Christian snowflake, pleading intolerance from liberals because they won't let him practice his intolerance in peace. You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. I'm not concerned about wedding cake messages, but I am most certainly concerned about marriage discrimination based on sexual orientation. Is the latter what you consider "hysterical trash"? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 15, 2017 16:37:09 GMT
That's... not a terribly complimentary comment on your ability to process multiple issues. It's like saying "bitching about trash on the side of the road undercuts more important issues like oil spills and chemical leaks into the water table."
They're all part of the same issue. Thinking individuals can address both.
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Post by vernuf on Jun 15, 2017 16:44:25 GMT
You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. I'm not concerned about wedding cake messages, but I am most certainly concerned about marriage discrimination based on sexual orientation. Is the latter what you consider "hysterical trash"? Probably. This is the guy who puts Ariana Grande on the same level as ISIS |
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 15, 2017 16:46:47 GMT
I often wonder if it's the "if they hate us, we're doing it right" Biblical mindset that leads to the too-common instance of Christians adopting a persecuted tone in relatively mild climes. And I often wonder if it's the "it's ok, he's a Christian so normal rules don't need to apply" mindset that leads to a witch-hunt against somebody who has never publicly given cause for offence being not just accepted, but positively embraced.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 15, 2017 16:53:03 GMT
I often wonder if it's the "if they hate us, we're doing it right" Biblical mindset that leads to the too-common instance of Christians adopting a persecuted tone in relatively mild climes. And I often wonder if it's the "it's ok, he's a Christian so normal rules don't need to apply" mindset that leads to a witch-hunt against somebody who has never publicly given cause for offence being not just accepted, but positively embraced.
Was there really a witch hunt? He was asked to clarify his views on homosexuality. He did and some people chose not to vote for his party on that basis. The issue is he was leader of a party that has in recent years been LGBT-friendly so his stance alienated those voters. Calling it a witch hunt is a bit much. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 15, 2017 17:05:33 GMT
I often wonder if it's the "if they hate us, we're doing it right" Biblical mindset that leads to the too-common instance of Christians adopting a persecuted tone in relatively mild climes. Of course not. That's not really a Biblical mindset.
The more accurate statement would be "I only care so much if they hate me based on my beliefs since that's do be expected" which is entirely accurate viewpoint taught by Jesus.
NO ONE but whackos are claiming persecution in mild climates and fellow Christians are making fun of them along with the godless hordes. It's the harsh ones we concern ourselves with and especially some of those used to be mild.
Overall, Christians know they often make up the majority, are free to worship freely, and miraculously can follow secular laws as well.
Part of the confusion is that non-Christians often cannot comprehend that secular laws often do conflict with belief and the fact that belief is far more important. So when some Christians take issue with it, a non-Christian often can't help but think of it as insignificant which means it should be insignificant top the Christian as if religious belief is somehow less important than secular opinion. That's like most of the threads here complaining about Christianity.
The far more disturbing thing is people that whine about Christians being concerned when Christians actually are persecuted. Although it does happen, hopefully there aren't that many people that are stupid.
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 17:06:34 GMT
You have a pretty perverted view of what "intolerance" is. If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail. If your definition of intolerance is about wedding cake messages and all that total bullcrap, then you stand as an enemy to human rights, because you bog down real important issues with hysterical trash. I'm not concerned about wedding cake messages, but I am most certainly concerned about marriage discrimination based on sexual orientation. Is the latter what you consider "hysterical trash"? Gay marriage is legal both in the U.K., across Western Europe, and in the "much more conservative US." Where exactly do you see "marriage discrimination" ? What is more, Farron to my knowledge said that he was not opposed to gay marriage. Yet still that was not enough to save him from the hounds. Forget about no tolerance for conservative Christians in Western society - there's no tolerance for liberal Christians either, as long as they don't completely toll the line. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Jun 15, 2017 17:07:36 GMT
funny why he should even care.
when his kingdom is not even of this world.
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