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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2017 21:01:25 GMT
tpfkar  It was a mock, Einsusurrate.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 21:06:58 GMT
tpfkar That's because you're moron personified.  Can't help it you're either oblivious to or a rank liar about "I'm tired of people trying to shut down the debate with cries of Islamophobia/racism", or both.
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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2017 21:20:32 GMT
tpfkar That's because you're moron personified. Can't help it you're either oblivious to or a rank liar about "I'm tired of people trying to shut down the debate with cries of Islamophobia/racism", or both.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 21:34:50 GMT
tpfkar Nice dive to try distract from the stupid at hand, but I can't help it you said a good portion of the directives of the sole font of morality were "not moral" and then periodically return to butthurt bob about with your pivot dance to "immoral" before withering away once again.  Not only can't I help your pure boneheadedness, I love it!
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Post by blade on Jun 15, 2017 21:36:35 GMT
tpfkar Nice dive to try distract from the stupid at hand, but I can't help it you said a good portion of the directives of the sole font of morality were "not moral" and then periodically return to butthurt bob about with your pivot dance to "immoral" before withering away once again. Not only can't I help your pure boneheadedness, I love it!
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 21:41:14 GMT
tpfkar Already covered in the link in the sig where you ran away once again last time. 
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 22:15:41 GMT
"My definition" ? This thread is about a leading U.K. politician, a liberal as much as a liberal can be, resigning leadership because of the constant attacks on his faith, which echoes the treatment of Christians, conservative, liberal or otherwise, in the U.K. and much of Western Europe. If that counts just as "people saying mean things" to you, then you lack any and all reason. Then please state one thing anybody did to him that did not consist of simply stating an opinion of him. For gays you stated that "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." Did anybody try to jail Farron? No. You dismissed "wedding cake messages" as "total bullcrap". Did anybody even so much as decline Farron service in a shop? No. All they did was condemn him. You know... exactly like he condemns them, only they didn't lie about it like he did. You're a guy who dismisses real bigotry as unimportant unless it involves prison or worse... but when somebody so much as speaks out against something YOU believe in, that's discrimination at a "fever pitch". Hypocrite. This shows you haven't read the link and are just replying here to be antagonistic, nothing else. Farron has not been condemned just for one particular view - he even said at the end that he does not believe homosexual acts to be a sin. That is a liberal, not a conservative position. The hostility is at the fact that he is a Christian, and does not seem to embrace the LGBT mantra to the (extreme) extent as others. If that's not the death of tolerance, I don't know what is. Farron may not have been denied service - neither has any gay couple, in the way you are implying. What they are being "denied" is a specific icing arrangement that promotes a message the shop owner does not agree with. If Farron wanted a cake that read "Nazis are fantastic" or something and got turned down - fantastic, the shop owner should have that right. To position this nonsense as "bigotry" and "discrimination" is pathetic and ignorant of the real problems in this world. To compare the ridicule Christians face in Western Europe, to a situation where the entire surrounding society celebrates you and waves your flags and marches in the streets in your honor is absolutely mad. Gay people were certainly treated unfairly in decades gone by, but now the tables have flipped and it is Christians who are being discriminated against. That is not right either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:30:38 GMT
I didn't have too much of a problem with him being a devout Christian, but then the Liberal Democrats are an irrelevancy anyway; especially as they had decided not to form a coalition with either Labour or Conservatives. I can't help but think that the media may have been a bit softer on a devout Muslim leader, because in our society we tend to set the bar a bit lower for people with brown skin.
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 15, 2017 22:39:43 GMT
. . .but that we appear to be living in a deeply intolerant new society where any percieved deviation from the new orthodoxy is to be outed and condemned at every opportunity and the inquisitorial mindset is still alive and kicking. Good. Bigots should never be allowed to feel comfortable or safe in expressing their bigotry. They should be put on notice at every opportunity, and every attempt they make to hide behind the shield of their idiotic religious beliefs should be met with scorn, mockery, and derision. Is he a bigot? I mean I disagree with his thinking obviously but as an MP he's actually voted for gay marriage and related laws. Compare him to say the DUP politicians who have gone so far as to avail of a loophole to prevent gay marriage passing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:41:36 GMT
This shows you haven't read the link and are just replying here to be antagonistic, nothing else. Farron has not been condemned just for one particular view - he even said at the end that he does not believe homosexual acts to be a sin. I see you still haven't listed a single thing anybody has done to Farron besides state an opinion of him. I dare to suggest that this is because nobody has done anything to him at all. Meanwhile you continue to dismiss those who take actual action against people they disapprove of as having done nothing at all wrong. So you are still condemning people for "discrimination" that is of a lower standard than that which you yourself dismiss as nonsense. You still stand revealed as a hypocrite. And none of your squirming has done a thing to change that. Oh, and yes, Farron did say that he doesn't believe homosexual acts are a sin. Which, given subsequent events, was clearly a lie. So good on you for getting your knickers so far in a twist on behalf of a liar. |
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 15, 2017 22:45:38 GMT
Good. Bigots should never be allowed to feel comfortable or safe in expressing their bigotry. If he had been 'expressing his bigotry' you might have had a point. But he wasn't, so you don't. And one thing I will say for Tim Farron: he kept his party's original promise and voted against the rise in university tuition fees to 9,000 pa. So while I disagreed with a lot of what he said, I respect him for that. |
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 22:48:34 GMT
This shows you haven't read the link and are just replying here to be antagonistic, nothing else. Farron has not been condemned just for one particular view - he even said at the end that he does not believe homosexual acts to be a sin. I see you still haven't listed a single thing anybody has done to Farron besides state an opinion of him. I dare to suggest that this is because nobody has done anything to him at all. Meanwhile you continue to dismiss those who take actual action against people they disapprove of as having done nothing at all wrong. So you are still condemning people for "discrimination" that is of a lower standard than that which you yourself dismiss as nonsense. You still stand revealed as a hypocrite. And none of your squirming has done a thing to change that. Oh, and yes, Farron did say that he doesn't believe homosexual acts are a sin. Which, given subsequent events, was clearly a lie. So good on you for getting your knickers so far in a twist on behalf of a liar. I never ever once said that the only form of persecution is prison. You are making nonsense up. I said that the gay cakes cases, which are the ones lately being debated the most, are bullcrap and liberals don't have a leg to stand on. Especially when much more serious things are going on. There could be other forms of verbal abuse that are very damaging. Such as gay students being severely bullied in school - I, and I wager the majority of people, are against that - even if the bullying is "just an opinion." The fact that I have to explain this to you is troubling and shows supreme lack of reading comprehension. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 22:52:51 GMT
tpfkar He was leader. His party did poorly, considering. He was not ousted, he decided to quit. And moan. How this gets upended into "discrimination" I don't know. It wouldn't even be "discrimination" if they voted him out. Just democracy.
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Post by THawk on Jun 15, 2017 23:04:23 GMT
tpfkar He was leader. His party did poorly, considering. He was not ousted, he decided to quit. And moan. How this gets upended into "discrimination" I don't know. It wouldn't even be "discrimination" if they voted him out. Just democracy.
you just shut your mouthHe quit specifically citing the attacks he has faced for his Christian faith. Are you saying he's making all that up? |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 15, 2017 23:12:29 GMT
tpfkar I'm absolutely saying he's both distorting and excuse-ing. Again, even if he were voted out it would be democracy; in fact he left on his own, even because he felt his beliefs were incompatible. A-ok, if not for all the moaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 23:17:44 GMT
I never ever once said that the only form of persecution is prison. You are making nonsense up. And I never said you said that, so you're the one making nonsense up. What I said was that you dismiss real bigotry as unimportant "unless it involves prison or worse". The only example of serious bigotry that you have given so far in this thread is "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." And I am perfectly fine with that opinion. The cake thing is an example of christian bigotry, but as examples of bigotry go it's not up there with lynching black folks or beheading non-muslims, certainly. And at no point have I argued otherwise. But here's the thing, and there's really no getting away from this or you : What makes you out to be a fricken' moron is the fact that you hold that view... and yet then turn around and characterise people doing nothing more than state their opinion of Farron as "hostility vs Christians reaches fever pitch". The reality is that if refusing to bake a cake is a minor, trivial bit of bigotry, then saying that you think a politician is despicable is even less so. You are pointing out that the molehill is much smaller than the mountain... in the middle of a rant about a speck of dust next to the molehill. So yeah. Like it or not, you remain a hypocrite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 23:18:51 GMT
tpfkar He was leader. His party did poorly, considering. He was not ousted, he decided to quit. And moan. How this gets upended into "discrimination" I don't know. It wouldn't even be "discrimination" if they voted him out. Just democracy.
you just shut your mouthHe quit specifically citing the attacks he has faced for his Christian faith. Are you saying he's making all that up? Yes he's making shit up. Because just like you perceived slights and disagreements become full blown persecution for him. He was a shit leader who did poorly everything else is excuses. And the most successful and longest serving prime minister of modern times was Tony Blair and he was a fairly devout Christian. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 15, 2017 23:33:42 GMT
tpfkar He was leader. His party did poorly, considering. He was not ousted, he decided to quit. And moan. How this gets upended into "discrimination" I don't know. It wouldn't even be "discrimination" if they voted him out. Just democracy.
you just shut your mouthHe quit specifically citing the attacks he has faced for his Christian faith. Are you saying he's making all that up? Yup. That's why the party that is more likely to win support of people who don't think too highly of gays is still running things, because Christian persecution conspiracy Satan I'm not a fuckwit at all bullshit. 🙋 |
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Post by THawk on Jun 16, 2017 0:09:25 GMT
He quit specifically citing the attacks he has faced for his Christian faith. Are you saying he's making all that up? Yes he's making shit up. Because just like you perceived slights and disagreements become full blown persecution for him. He was a shit leader who did poorly everything else is excuses. And the most successful and longest serving prime minister of modern times was Tony Blair and he was a fairly devout Christian. "Gay icon" Tony Blair, that Tony Blair? www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/09/26/tony-blair-gay-rights-is-a-significant-part-of-my-legacy/ Gee, coincidence? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 7:08:16 GMT
Yes he's making shit up. Because just like you perceived slights and disagreements become full blown persecution for him. He was a shit leader who did poorly everything else is excuses. And the most successful and longest serving prime minister of modern times was Tony Blair and he was a fairly devout Christian. "Gay icon" Tony Blair, that Tony Blair? www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/09/26/tony-blair-gay-rights-is-a-significant-part-of-my-legacy/ Gee, coincidence? What has that got to do with anything? Tim Farron was shit at his job which is why he chose to no longer do it.His Christianity was a smokescreen to cover his inepitude Tony Blair won three general elections and he made no secrecy of his Christianity. And Tony Blair was a gay icon So fucking what? You don't half waffle some shite |
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