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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:13:38 GMT
Good. Bigots should never be allowed to feel comfortable or safe in expressing their bigotry. They should be put on notice at every opportunity, and every attempt they make to hide behind the shield of their idiotic religious beliefs should be met with scorn, mockery, and derision. Says the bigot... |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 16, 2017 8:29:27 GMT
The Christian Persecution Complex is well-known phenomenon which has long ceased to impress, in the west anyhow. Just because Jesus told his followers to expect persecution it appears they feel guilty these days if there is none to be found. Why would anyone ask for an opinion from a politician about gay sex?
What would his saying "Gay sex is icky" or "Gay sex is a sin" have to do with his ability to be a politician.
The notion that his opinion matters on that, whether an atheist likes to think it or not, is a clear sign of prejudice.
Just because Christians are BOSS does not mean discrimination can't impact them which is why it's always so stupid when religion haters pretend that it doesn't happen. If anything it's far stranger that the goidless hordes get hurt feelings when secular society is obviously based on their views.
In any event, tolerance or intolerance is not based on numbers.
Still he can always join a more tolerant group I guess.
If people are being asked to vote for someone then they have a right to know what that person believes. If Farron was standing as the leader of a party that is especially true, and if the party is 'liberal' while he finds homosexuality a sin and is against abortion, that is even more relevant as an election looms. Farron is not being discriminated against in that he is denied no service, or right on the basis of what he thinks. One might just as well argue that May is being 'discriminated against', rather than just called out, because of her views on fox hunting.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 16, 2017 8:55:08 GMT
That... that's just amazingly obtuse. If you're honestly wondering why a homosexual citizen would wonder about a government representative's opinion on a homosexual lifestyle and how that would affect their vote on issues which directly affect it, then you must have no idea how votes work, or bias affects votes, etc. The question "how does thinking gay sex is a sin affect your ability as a politician" is simply nonsensical - citizens don't worry about strong convictions affecting the *ability* be a politicians, they worry about how the convictions will drive that politician's decisions. It's literally the crux of a political platform.
I hope to hell you're being facetious in some way I'm missing due to not reading all 1,348 posts.
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Post by THawk on Jun 16, 2017 13:22:24 GMT
I never ever once said that the only form of persecution is prison. You are making nonsense up. And I never said you said that, so you're the one making nonsense up. What I said was that you dismiss real bigotry as unimportant "unless it involves prison or worse". The only example of serious bigotry that you have given so far in this thread is "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." And I am perfectly fine with that opinion. The cake thing is an example of christian bigotry, but as examples of bigotry go it's not up there with lynching black folks or beheading non-muslims, certainly. And at no point have I argued otherwise. But here's the thing, and there's really no getting away from this or you : What makes you out to be a fricken' moron is the fact that you hold that view... and yet then turn around and characterise people doing nothing more than state their opinion of Farron as "hostility vs Christians reaches fever pitch". The reality is that if refusing to bake a cake is a minor, trivial bit of bigotry, then saying that you think a politician is despicable is even less so. You are pointing out that the molehill is much smaller than the mountain... in the middle of a rant about a speck of dust next to the molehill. So yeah. Like it or not, you remain a hypocrite. The hostility, scorn, mockery, derision Christians face in Western Europe, and parts of America, is infinitely times worse than being denied from one specific cake shop icing arrangement on your cake, in the midst of a society that widely celebrates you. If the former to you is nothing more than just "people stating their opinion", then you are brainwashed beyond words and it is hopeless speaking reason to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:28:44 GMT
The hostility, scorn, mockery, derision Christians face in Western Europe, and parts of America, is infinitely times worse than being denied from one specific cake shop icing arrangement on your cake, in the midst of a society that widely celebrates you. As I've established many times now, you believe that merely stating an opinion of a politician is worse than taking actual actions to discriminate against a person. Which is insanity. How would you know a thing about speaking reason? You haven't done it so far in this thread. Your whole argument is "Waaaaaaa! People are mean to me and I don't like it! Waaaaaa! it's the worst thing ever!" Grow the hell up. It's a free country and people are allowed to state their opinions of politicians. I get that you want special deference from everyone and think that not getting it is worse than the holocaust, but that doesn't make you special. It just makes you an asshole. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jun 16, 2017 13:30:55 GMT
And I never said you said that, so you're the one making nonsense up. What I said was that you dismiss real bigotry as unimportant "unless it involves prison or worse". The only example of serious bigotry that you have given so far in this thread is "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." And I am perfectly fine with that opinion. The cake thing is an example of christian bigotry, but as examples of bigotry go it's not up there with lynching black folks or beheading non-muslims, certainly. And at no point have I argued otherwise. But here's the thing, and there's really no getting away from this or you : What makes you out to be a fricken' moron is the fact that you hold that view... and yet then turn around and characterise people doing nothing more than state their opinion of Farron as "hostility vs Christians reaches fever pitch". The reality is that if refusing to bake a cake is a minor, trivial bit of bigotry, then saying that you think a politician is despicable is even less so. You are pointing out that the molehill is much smaller than the mountain... in the middle of a rant about a speck of dust next to the molehill. So yeah. Like it or not, you remain a hypocrite. The hostility, scorn, mockery, derision Christians face in Western Europe, and parts of America, is infinitely times worse than being denied from one specific cake shop icing arrangement on your cake, in the midst of a society that widely celebrates you. If the former to you is nothing more than just "people stating their opinion", then you are brainwashed beyond words and it is hopeless speaking reason to you. You can't act like a bigoted piece of shit and refuse to bake a cake, then expect people to treat you with tolerance and acceptance. "Please be more tolerant of my intolerance"... -- Eat my shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:35:16 GMT
And I never said you said that, so you're the one making nonsense up. What I said was that you dismiss real bigotry as unimportant "unless it involves prison or worse". The only example of serious bigotry that you have given so far in this thread is "If you want to see intolerance against gay people, go check out Chechnya, or African laws that send gay people to jail." And I am perfectly fine with that opinion. The cake thing is an example of christian bigotry, but as examples of bigotry go it's not up there with lynching black folks or beheading non-muslims, certainly. And at no point have I argued otherwise. But here's the thing, and there's really no getting away from this or you : What makes you out to be a fricken' moron is the fact that you hold that view... and yet then turn around and characterise people doing nothing more than state their opinion of Farron as "hostility vs Christians reaches fever pitch". The reality is that if refusing to bake a cake is a minor, trivial bit of bigotry, then saying that you think a politician is despicable is even less so. You are pointing out that the molehill is much smaller than the mountain... in the middle of a rant about a speck of dust next to the molehill. So yeah. Like it or not, you remain a hypocrite. The hostility, scorn, mockery, derision Christians face in Western Europe, and parts of America, is infinitely times worse than being denied from one specific cake shop icing arrangement on your cake, in the midst of a society that widely celebrates you. If the former to you is nothing more than just "people stating their opinion", then you are brainwashed beyond words and it is hopeless speaking reason to you. Then this should be easy if what you say is true. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" you've faced as a Christian and tell us how they have negatively impacted your life,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" Christians you know in real life have faced and how it has negatively impacted their lives,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:41:38 GMT
You can't act like a bigoted piece of shit and refuse to bake a cake, then expect people to treat you with tolerance and acceptance. "Please be more tolerant of my intolerance"... -- Eat my shit. A good 95% of all "intolerance of christians" in the western world consists of people trying to stop them from imposing their views upon the rest of us. |
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Post by THawk on Jun 16, 2017 13:46:03 GMT
The hostility, scorn, mockery, derision Christians face in Western Europe, and parts of America, is infinitely times worse than being denied from one specific cake shop icing arrangement on your cake, in the midst of a society that widely celebrates you. If the former to you is nothing more than just "people stating their opinion", then you are brainwashed beyond words and it is hopeless speaking reason to you. Then this should be easy if what you say is true. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" you've faced as a Christian and tell us how they have negatively impacted your life,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" Christians you know in real life have faced and how it has negatively impacted their lives,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. Sure. Let's meet in real life, not on the internet as you say, and I will gladly tell you, if this is an honest question. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 16, 2017 13:46:34 GMT
tpfkar The fact that you support balkanized commerce and businesses meddling in and impugning people's personal lives and speech makes you eminently meriting of scorn. The fact that you engage in so much campy melodrama is just icing on the mockery cake. You guys thoroughly suck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:58:36 GMT
Then this should be easy if what you say is true. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" you've faced as a Christian and tell us how they have negatively impacted your life,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. Give three specific examples of "hostility,scorn,mockery and derision" Christians you know in real life have faced and how it has negatively impacted their lives,all examples must have taken place in the real world not on the internet. Sure. Let's meet in real life, not on the internet as you say, and I will gladly tell you, if this is an honest question. Sure my name's Brian Macken I live in the UK,I believe you live in America so meeting seems unlikely. But if you want to go onto facebook and give the examples that I"ve asked for go right ahead. I think you don't have any examples to give me involving you or anyone you know. So you concocted this rather cheap dodge. I'll await your examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:01:08 GMT
You can't act like a bigoted piece of shit and refuse to bake a cake, then expect people to treat you with tolerance and acceptance. "Please be more tolerant of my intolerance"... -- Eat my shit. A good 95% of all "intolerance of christians" in the western world consists of people trying to stop them from imposing their views upon the rest of us. And yet a lot of the same people pander to and constantly defend Muslims and Islam which is a hundred times worse for imposing it's/their views on the rest. Go figure. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 16, 2017 14:06:37 GMT
tpfkar Who puts up with "Muslims and Islam" "imposing it's/their views on the rest"? Those that do that are equally as sucky as you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:16:07 GMT
A good 95% of all "intolerance of christians" in the western world consists of people trying to stop them from imposing their views upon the rest of us. And yet a lot of the same people pander to and constantly defend Muslims and Islam which is a hundred times worse for imposing it's/their views on the rest. Go figure. What's hilarious Cody is you come of as jealous because your main competitor religion Islam is much more effective at imposing its will on people than Christianity is at the moment,it's also very good at inoculating its self from criticism. Of course given half a chance you'd like to impose your fundamentalist Christian ideology on the rest of us,such as denying women the right to have abortions in the UK. So to live under Sharia law and Islamic fundamentalism or a Christian theocracy with dipshits like you setting the rules. Sort of like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhea. Most sensible intelligent people choose neither. You'd do well to remember that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:27:56 GMT
And yet a lot of the same people pander to and constantly defend Muslims and Islam which is a hundred times worse for imposing it's/their views on the rest. Go figure. What's hilarious Cody is you come of as jealous because your main competitor religion Islam is much more effective at imposing its will on people than Christianity is at the moment,it's also very good at inoculating its self from criticism. Of course given half a chance you'd like to impose your fundamentalist Christian ideology on the rest of us,such as denying women the right to have abortions in the UK. So to live under Sharia law and Islamic fundamentalism or a Christian theocracy with dipshits like you setting the rules. Sort of like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhea. Most sensible intelligent people choose neither. You'd do well to remember that. Don't be a plonker all your life, Brian. The point was merely to highlight just what cowardly inconsistent agenda fuelled double standard applying clueless wastes of space so many of you liberal atheists here in the UK are. It's due to those dangerous pieces of sh!t that this country is slowing heading towards Sharia. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 16, 2017 14:36:31 GMT
tpfkar Nobody's trying to eject or intern w/o due process or just facilely impugn beyond other nuttiness-believers, "Christians" based on the actions of other individuals.
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Post by THawk on Jun 16, 2017 14:43:56 GMT
Sure. Let's meet in real life, not on the internet as you say, and I will gladly tell you, if this is an honest question. Sure my name's Brian Macken I live in the UK,I believe you live in America so meeting seems unlikely. But if you want to go onto facebook and give the examples that I"ve asked for go right ahead. I think you don't have any examples to give me involving you or anyone you know. So you concocted this rather cheap dodge. I'll await your examples. No I do not live in America, and neither the UK, though have lived in both before, where much of my experience comes from. However the way in which you are replying answers my question directly. This thread is about a real politician, the leader or soon to be former leader of a major UK party, about as prominent and real life example as you can get, and yet you and everyone else is calling his heart-felt statements to the world a complete lie, disregarding and ignoring his testimony completely....yet there is the slightest chance in hell that you and the rest of the secular bigot crew on here would take me and my examples seriously? You expect me to believe that? Me and just about any other Christian has as much chance of that as a witch on trial at a burning already tied up to the stake with the fire burning. What is truly atrocious is that all this here isn't even an attempt at trolling, but your (and the others on here) utter hatred and blind range of any and all things remotely Christian or faith-based have twisted and corrupted your mind to seemingly unsalvageable degrees. All you display is rage and hate and scorn, and you mask that up in "tolerance." Hens why words such as "liberal" and "progressive" have been so tragically perverted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:44:04 GMT
What's hilarious Cody is you come of as jealous because your main competitor religion Islam is much more effective at imposing its will on people than Christianity is at the moment,it's also very good at inoculating its self from criticism. Of course given half a chance you'd like to impose your fundamentalist Christian ideology on the rest of us,such as denying women the right to have abortions in the UK. So to live under Sharia law and Islamic fundamentalism or a Christian theocracy with dipshits like you setting the rules. Sort of like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhea. Most sensible intelligent people choose neither. You'd do well to remember that. Don't be a plonker all your life, Brian. The point was merely to highlight just what cowardly inconsistent agenda fuelled double standard applying clueless wastes of space so many of you liberal atheists here in the UK are. It's due to those dangerous pieces of sh!t that this country is slowing heading towards Sharia. You mean highlighting your rank hypocrisy on this matter because you want to impose your religious values on an unwilling population just as much as the Muslims want to,the difference is in some cases they're prepared to go to extreme lengths while Christians like you rant ineffectively on message boards. And this country isn't heading towards sharia law too many people would stop it,just as it's not heading towards a Christian theocracy either. You see the way to tackle Islamic fundamentalism is not to turn to Christian fundamentalism but to turn away from fundamentalism and the religions that give birth to it. Once we stop taking Muslim middle eastern refugees from third world shit holes and Christian Africans refugees from third world shit holes then religion can get back to its place in Britain and that's withering on the vine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:54:30 GMT
Sure my name's Brian Macken I live in the UK,I believe you live in America so meeting seems unlikely. But if you want to go onto facebook and give the examples that I"ve asked for go right ahead. I think you don't have any examples to give me involving you or anyone you know. So you concocted this rather cheap dodge. I'll await your examples. No I do not live in America, and neither the UK, though have lived in both before, where much of my experience comes from. However the way in which you are replying answers my question directly. This thread is about a real politician, the leader or soon to be former leader of a major UK party, and you and everyone else is calling his heart-felt statements to the world a complete lie, disregarding and ignoring his testimony completely....yet there is the slightest chance in hell that you and the rest of the secular bigot crew on here would take me seriously? Me and just about any other Christian has as much chance of that as a with on trial at a burning already tied up to the stake with the fire burning. What is truly atrocious is that all this here isn't even an attempt at trolling, but your (and the others on here) utter hatred and blind range of any and all things remotely Christian or faith-based have twisted and corrupted your mind to seemingly unsalvageable degrees. All you display is rage and hate and scorn, and you mask that up in "tolerance." Hens why words such as "liberal" and "progressive" have been so tragically perverted. Of course I don't take you seriously in your case it's not warranted, you spit out ridiculous hyperbole about persecution and yet can't substantiate any claims of persecution against you as a Christian or any Christians you know. You project emotions onto others that aren't there all to bolster your huge persecution complex. So where's my examples of the Christian persecution you've suffered? Someone calling you a tosser because you are in fact a tosser doesn't count. |
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