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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 13:56:25 GMT
It's good first of all, I gave it a 7, which if you know anything about my scoring system a 9 is perfect and 10 is perfect plus your personal taste. 8 is extremely good. 7 is good, 6 is enjoyable, 5 is nothing special nothing terrible, 4 is not so good, 3 is bad, 2 is terrible, 1 is fucking awful, and 0 is the worst shit possible. For comparison I gave MOS a 4 for large sections of 5 and several moments of 3.
But here's the thing,
Not all that much happens in WW. She decides to go after Ares, they walk through a battle field, she finds him, the end. It's like there's no meat on the bone. Nothing to really carry forward or explore or reflect on in much of any way. It just is what it is.
Compare that to First Avenger where you had all sorts of things to build on, from Shield to Hydra to Vibranium to the Tesseract to Peggy Carter to the Winter Soldier, and there was a lot of meat to explore in the future of the MCU.
But the DCU isn't going to get any mileage out of anything they developed in WW. I think I heard the Amazons are going to be seen in a flashback in JL. Is that it?
So without anything to build on, even though it is the best of the DCU films so far, it's not really all that relevant to anything that is going to happen later. Can you really see any Civil War types moments happening where it made a lot of the prior films better, happening to WW? I don't really see how.
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Post by sostie on Jul 3, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
I enjoyed it, and gave it a 7 (though 6.5 may be closer), but I have no inkling to see it again. It's not a bad film at all, the first & last 10 minutes were pretty boring though...actually come to think of it, the periods up to the departure from London and after the liberation of the village were generally dull. The action sequences reminded me of Sucker Punch for some reason.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 14:30:22 GMT
I enjoyed it, and gave it a 7 (though 6.5 may be closer), but I have no inkling to see it again. It's not a bad film at all, the first & last 10 minutes were pretty boring though...actually come to think of it, the periods up to the departure from London and after the liberation of the village were generally dull. The action sequences reminded me of Sucker Punch for some reason. I actually agree with all of this including the maybe 6.5
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2017 16:12:56 GMT
It's holding up pretty well at the box office.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 20:15:13 GMT
It's holding up pretty well at the box office. That it is. Did anybody say otherwise?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 20:25:23 GMT
It's holding up pretty well at the box office. That it is. Did anybody say otherwise? There was one guy around here that kept moving the target: "WW will never make it to 700m!" then "WW will never make it to 720m!" and so on...
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 20:29:17 GMT
That it is. Did anybody say otherwise? There was one guy around here that kept moving the target: "WW will never make it to 700m!" then "WW will never make it to 720m!" and so on... IDK, I was never really that worried about it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2017 20:38:07 GMT
It's holding up pretty well at the box office. ::smoke1:: That it is. Did anybody say otherwise? It suggests that the film is enjoying a lot of repeat viewings, which kind of goes against this argument that it won't hold up well in the public' eyes in the future.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 21:00:20 GMT
That it is. Did anybody say otherwise? It suggests that the film is enjoying a lot of repeat viewings, which kind of goes against this argument that it won't hold up well in the public' eyes in the future. Not really. Avatar got an insane number of repeat viewings and that certainly hasn't held up well.
What I'm referring to is looking back on it long term. There just isn't a lot of meat here to gnaw on. She leaves, gets in one fight, gives up, and then fights Ares. Nothing else really happens. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by primeone on Jul 3, 2017 21:01:30 GMT
It's good first of all, I gave it a 7, which if you know anything about my scoring system a 9 is perfect and 10 is perfect plus your personal taste. 8 is extremely good. 7 is good, 6 is enjoyable, 5 is nothing special nothing terrible, 4 is not so good, 3 is bad, 2 is terrible, 1 is fucking awful, and 0 is the worst shit possible. For comparison I gave MOS a 4 for large sections of 5 and several moments of 3.
But here's the thing,
Not all that much happens in WW. She decides to go after Ares, they walk through a battle field, she finds him, the end. It's like there's no meat on the bone. Nothing to really carry forward or explore or reflect on in much of any way. It just is what it is.
Compare that to First Avenger where you had all sorts of things to build on, from Shield to Hydra to Vibranium to the Tesseract to Peggy Carter to the Winter Soldier, and there was a lot of meat to explore in the future of the MCU.
But the DCU isn't going to get any mileage out of anything they developed in WW. I think I heard the Amazons are going to be seen in a flashback in JL. Is that it?
So without anything to build on, even though it is the best of the DCU films so far, it's not really all that relevant to anything that is going to happen later. Can you really see any Civil War types moments happening where it made a lot of the prior films better, happening to WW? I don't really see how.
They been spoke about this and I'm sure you knew that. They already pointed out that WW would be it's own thing and it makes sense since this is her first film. This is not new news and the majority was okay with that.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 21:04:28 GMT
They been spoke about this and I'm sure you knew that. They already pointed out that WW would be it's own thing and it makes sense since this is her first film. This is not new news and the majority was okay with that. I'm not interested in what the majority is ok with.
All I'm saying is that while the film is good for what it is, looking back on it, you'll start to realize almost nothing happens. She leaves, shops, walks through a war zone, gives up, and then Ares scores an own goal to give her the win. There's just not a lot there, that's all.
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Post by primeone on Jul 3, 2017 21:06:45 GMT
They been spoke about this and I'm sure you knew that. They already pointed out that WW would be it's own thing and it makes sense since this is her first film. This is not new news and the majority was okay with that. I'm not interested in what the majority is ok with.
All I'm saying is that while the film is good for what it is, looking back on it, you'll start to realize almost nothing happens. She leaves, shops, walks through a war zone, gives up, and then Ares scores an own goal to give her the win. There's just not a lot there, that's all.
In other words, old news
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 21:08:50 GMT
I'm not interested in what the majority is ok with.
All I'm saying is that while the film is good for what it is, looking back on it, you'll start to realize almost nothing happens. She leaves, shops, walks through a war zone, gives up, and then Ares scores an own goal to give her the win. There's just not a lot there, that's all.
In other words, old news Hey, as long as we're on the same page.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2017 21:12:03 GMT
It suggests that the film is enjoying a lot of repeat viewings, which kind of goes against this argument that it won't hold up well in the public' eyes in the future. Not really. Avatar got an insane number of repeat viewings and that certainly hasn't held up well.
What I'm referring to is looking back on it long term. There just isn't a lot of meat here to gnaw on. She leaves, gets in one fight, gives up, and then fights Ares. Nothing else really happens. That's all I'm saying.
You can kind of simplify any movie like that. "Captain America gets muscles, beats up bad guys, gets frozen, then gets thawed out".
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 21:21:46 GMT
Not really. Avatar got an insane number of repeat viewings and that certainly hasn't held up well.
What I'm referring to is looking back on it long term. There just isn't a lot of meat here to gnaw on. She leaves, gets in one fight, gives up, and then fights Ares. Nothing else really happens. That's all I'm saying.
You can kind of simplify any movie like that. "Captain America gets muscles, beats up bad guys, gets frozen, then gets thawed out". But then WW doesn't have elements like Hydra, the Tesseract, Shield, Peggy Carter, Vibranium etc etc. It just has what I mentioned, so no, it's not the same.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2017 21:34:57 GMT
You can kind of simplify any movie like that. "Captain America gets muscles, beats up bad guys, gets frozen, then gets thawed out". But then WW doesn't have elements like Hydra, the Tesseract, Shield, Peggy Carter, Vibranium etc etc. It just has what I mentioned, so no, it's not the same. But it did have elements like Themiscira, the Greek Gods, Steve Trevor, and the photo.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 21:40:25 GMT
But then WW doesn't have elements like Hydra, the Tesseract, Shield, Peggy Carter, Vibranium etc etc. It just has what I mentioned, so no, it's not the same. But it did have elements like Themiscira, the Greek Gods, Steve Trevor, and the photo. The photo? Ok, I'm pretty sure that won't be a major plot element. The Greek Gods are dead as explicitly stated in the movie so I don't know how that will matter going forward. Themiscira might, and I already said it might before so that's nothing new.
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Post by brownstones on Jul 3, 2017 21:41:19 GMT
eh, who knows. I mean Cap1 was good fun the first time, I actually came out of it quite content, but after the second viewing I was kind of over it (it probably dropped from a solid 7 to a decent 6), so maybe WW will be the same or perhaps not. For example The Avengers I've seen it one too many times and it's still a solid film, unwavering in quality, but GOTG lost some charm after the second viewing, Iron-Man holds up (shame they didn't cast Don earlier, seeing Terrence is still odd), and surprisingly so does AoU (despite being a bit of step back from TA).
I'd say give it a year or two.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 3, 2017 21:58:03 GMT
But it did have elements like Themiscira, the Greek Gods, Steve Trevor, and the photo. The photo? Ok, I'm pretty sure that won't be a major plot element. The Greek Gods are dead as explicitly stated in the movie so I don't know how that will matter going forward. Themiscira might, and I already said it might before so that's nothing new.
The photo was a subplot in BvS. Regardless of one's opinions on that film, the photo in WW was still carried over from that subplot. The Greek Gods presumably being dead doesn't mean we'll see nothing related to Greek mythology in the future. They could bring in characters like Circe somewhere down the line.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 23:31:19 GMT
The photo? Ok, I'm pretty sure that won't be a major plot element. The Greek Gods are dead as explicitly stated in the movie so I don't know how that will matter going forward. Themiscira might, and I already said it might before so that's nothing new.
The photo was a subplot in BvS. Regardless of one's opinions on that film, the photo in WW was still carried over from that subplot. The Greek Gods presumably being dead doesn't mean we'll see nothing related to Greek mythology in the future. They could bring in characters like Circe somewhere down the line. That's it? Not exactly the Tesseract or Hydra or Vibranium or Shield. Just some flashbacks and an insignificant subplot. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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