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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 5:38:10 GMT
Not to mention all the animated Spider-Man shows skip Uncle Ben's death, too. Not all though, the 1960's cartoon did have it, although it was later in the series. Ralph Bakshi helmed that one. Huh. Honestly, the only thing I recall that the 60s series is endless and constant webslinging sequences. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 6, 2017 5:38:53 GMT
They did, when Peter is talking to Ned about why he doesn't want May to know he says it's because "She's been through so much". That's a reference to Ben. They just don't hit you over the head with it the way DC does with the Waynes. That's a pretty oblique, throwaway line and a stretch even for you. (Not a stretch that the line refers to uncle Ben's death, but that a throwaway line for "those in the know" suffices for or meets the bare minimum requirements of what I'm talking about.) They literally never mention "Ben Parker" by name, not even once, ever at all? That's... piss-poor filmmaking, brah. Uncle Ben was in the movie, but Peter called him "Mr. Stark" instead of "Uncle Ben". |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2017 5:39:35 GMT
Not all though, the 1960's cartoon did have it, although it was later in the series. Ralph Bakshi helmed that one. Huh. Honestly, the only thing I recall that the 60s series is endless and constant webslinging sequences. And lots of re-used animation, from the series and OTHER cartoons around the same time. Bakshi's run is particularly noted for this and this was due to very limited animation budgetary restrictions. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 6, 2017 5:41:03 GMT
i'm still not with the adamant need to continually exposit Spidey's origin. Spidey's still a fledgling but Homecoming wasn't meant to be an origin story. does every issue of the book require namedropping Uncle Ben as well? i might agree that mentioning it explicitly another installment or three down the line would be beneficial. Tom Holland said he does want to see it, and he was hoping they'd cast someone like Ralph Macchio as Uncle Ben. SMH already had RDJ in the Uncle Ben role. It's just that Peter called him "Mr. Stark" instead of "Uncle Ben". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 5:41:43 GMT
Huh. Honestly, the only thing I recall that the 60s series is endless and constant webslinging sequences. And lots of re-used animation, from the series and OTHER cartoons around the same time. Bakshi's run is particularly noted for this and this was due to very limited animation budgetary restrictions. Always an unfortunate thing. It makes me wonder why the studio even wanted to try making Spider-Man animated series if they weren't willing to commit. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2017 5:42:03 GMT
That's a pretty oblique, throwaway line and a stretch even for you. (Not a stretch that the line refers to uncle Ben's death, but that a throwaway line for "those in the know" suffices for or meets the bare minimum requirements of what I'm talking about.) They literally never mention "Ben Parker" by name, not even once, ever at all? That's... piss-poor filmmaking, brah. Uncle Ben was in the movie, but they changed his name from Uncle Ben to Mr. Stark. Wrong, Ben's teachings to Peter influence his decision making throughout Homecoming. Stark's one of Peter's idols, but he's not flesh and blood like his uncle was. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 6, 2017 5:42:55 GMT
He has an Aunt, he mentions she's gone through a big loss...pretty obvious by this point. Holland said they'll probably do it later but they wanted his first movie to NOT be the origin. That way it stands out and can be timeless without doing the same old. Circles. Edit: Is it future? Or is it past?  It's future. They said "8 Years Later". The Avengers was in 2012 so 8 years later would be 2020. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2017 5:45:06 GMT
Tom Holland said he does want to see it, and he was hoping they'd cast someone like Ralph Macchio as Uncle Ben. SMH already had RDJ in the Uncle Ben role. It's just that Peter called him "Mr. Stark" instead of "Uncle Ben". Then how come Peter doesn't obey every word Tony says and disagrees with him a lot in the movie? Peter's approach to using his powers is definitely influenced by his Uncle Ben's teachings, which just goes to show you don't need him to appear in every movie or story to reinforce the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" moto he's so associated with. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2017 5:45:42 GMT
Circles. Edit: Is it future? Or is it past? It's future. They said "8 Years Later". The Avengers was in 2012 so 8 years later would be 2020. It's set in contemporary times, The Avengers occurred earlier than 2012. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 6, 2017 5:47:44 GMT
And lots of re-used animation, from the series and OTHER cartoons around the same time. Bakshi's run is particularly noted for this and this was due to very limited animation budgetary restrictions. Always an unfortunate thing. It makes me wonder why the studio even wanted to try making Spider-Man animated series if they weren't willing to commit. Back then animation was extremely expensive and thus studios had to rely less on budgets for animation quality and more on story, Hanna Barbara and Jay Ward overcame these obstacles thru their writing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 5:50:19 GMT
Always an unfortunate thing. It makes me wonder why the studio even wanted to try making Spider-Man animated series if they weren't willing to commit. Back then animation was extremely expensive and thus studios had to rely less on budgets for animation quality and more on story, Hanna Barbara and Jay Ward overcame these obstacles thru their writing. I know. And the one series that went the distance to be good in both the writing AND animation, Jonny Quest, was canned after one Season for costing so much they still ended up in the red despite it being a success. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 9:46:59 GMT
There's another theory similar to #4. All of Twin Peaks is just a psychotic break a middle aged FBI Agent named Richard is having, he's really this unimpressive guy whose never done much at the FBI so he imagined himself as a super-Agent who was investigating this awesome case with Extradimensional beings and serial killer ghosts. The ending was him simply breaking out of his delusion. That's weird and weirdly interesting. So who the hell is "Carrie Paige," then, in this scenario? Some random chick from Odessa?! Yep. He may have caught a glimpse of her one day and his twisted psyche turned her into the centerpiece of his delusion. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 9:47:54 GMT
Tom Holland said he does want to see it, and he was hoping they'd cast someone like Ralph Macchio as Uncle Ben. SMH already had RDJ in the Uncle Ben role. It's just that Peter called him "Mr. Stark" instead of "Uncle Ben". No, Stark just served as a Mentor role since Peter's had older Mentors in the comics he looks up to like that. If you knew anything about the comics you'd know that. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 9:48:48 GMT
Circles. Edit: Is it future? Or is it past? It's future. They said "8 Years Later". The Avengers was in 2012 so 8 years later would be 2020. You're clinging to one minor error like your life depends on it... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 9:58:16 GMT
I find the pre-occupation with uncles in this thread disturbing. Like a bunch of catholic boys looking forward to their sunday afternoon private session with the local priest.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 14:57:27 GMT
That's weird and weirdly interesting. So who the hell is "Carrie Paige," then, in this scenario? Some random chick from Odessa?! Yep. He may have caught a glimpse of her one day and his twisted psyche turned her into the centerpiece of his delusion. You think she could've been related to a case he was working? She did have a dead body in her living room! |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 17:35:58 GMT
Yep. He may have caught a glimpse of her one day and his twisted psyche turned her into the centerpiece of his delusion. You think she could've been related to a case he was working? She did have a dead body in her living room! Random dumb luck...if we go by this theory of course. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 18:02:27 GMT
You think she could've been related to a case he was working? She did have a dead body in her living room! Random dumb luck...if we go by this theory of course. Yeah, I guess that makes as much sense as anything else in that context. What's your take on Audrey? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 18:14:45 GMT
Random dumb luck...if we go by this theory of course. Yeah, I guess that makes as much sense as anything else in that context. What's your take on Audrey? I assumed that she was under House Arrest and Charlie was actually her therapist, but then that last image made me realize she's really just delusional and locked up somewhere. Possibly trauma from being raped by the Cooperganger. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 18:20:14 GMT
Yeah, I guess that makes as much sense as anything else in that context. What's your take on Audrey? I assumed that she was under House Arrest and Charlie was actually her therapist, but then that last image made me realize she's really just delusional and locked up somewhere. Possibly trauma from being raped by the Cooperganger. Yeah, same. But how do you think that fits it into any one specific "theory"? |
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